2019 Off-Season IU Roster News and Moves

[Bailey7878 2,506]

Could the reason Moore and Jake never played over Fitzner was because the decision to part ways had already been made thus the concept of building for the future was moot?

I do not believe that. Jake always cheered like crazy and seemed into it. Archie just clearly thought he could not give valuable minutes. I have not been super happy with archie but he isnt playing to lose so there was a reason he did not play.



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[Crimson and Cream 5,782]

59 minutes ago, Bailey7878 said:

I guess but we are not at practice and ive made it known im not a fitzner fan so trust me i would rather of had him on the bench. So whats your theory why he would not play jake?

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I think he just trusted too much in the senior to figure it out, that he felt Fitzner was experienced enough to put out there and eventually come through. Well, he didn't. It started off hot in game one and went into a downward spiral from there. He couldn't score, rebound, defend. Nothing. Sure Moore and Forrester had their issues. That much was obvious from their limited minutes. But with those deficiencies they also brought things to the table that our other bigs couldn't. More specifically Fitzner.  

I think Archie kept hoping Fitzner would start hitting 3's, something this team so desperately needed. It just didn't happen. And the two guys who played hard and showed some flashes when given the chance were glued to the bench. I just didn't agree with it. By no means is this a "fire Archie" argument from me. But this season was bad for a multitude of reasons and this is one I had an issue with. 

[Bailey7878 2,506]

I think he just trusted too much in the senior to figure it out, that he felt Fitzner was experienced enough to put out there and eventually come through. Well, he didn't. It started off hot in game one and went into a downward spiral from there. He couldn't score, rebound, defend. Nothing. Sure Moore and Forrester had their issues. That much was obvious from their limited minutes. But with those deficiencies they also brought things to the table that our other bigs couldn't. More specifically Fitzner.  
I think Archie kept hoping Fitzner would start hitting 3's, something this team so desperately needed. It just didn't happen. And the two guys who played hard and showed some flashes when given the chance were glued to the bench. I just didn't agree with it. By no means is this a "fire Archie" argument from me. But this season was bad for a multitude of reasons and this is one I had an issue with. 

Like i said i did not like fitzner at all. He was terrible but archie must have seen something not to play jake.

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[Geometry Hoosier 1,151]

I tend to agree with almost all of this. I don’t want Archie fired though.

 

I think he’s learning some tough lessons. IMO this team didn’t mesh with Archie. I don’t want to read into things, but not a single senior specifically thanked Archie. That’s a bad look.

 

I fully agree, some guys are gamers. Jake and Clifton always looked better to me than Fitzner in limited minutes.

 

I think Archie felt he could trust Fitzner better, and Fitzner was a better practice player.

 

Idk, I’m not mad about losing who we lost because we desperately need roster turnover. I just think Archie had a rough year with this team.

 

I actually think Romeo should have been benched at times too. Smith for sure, and he eventually did forever late.

 

 

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My college baseball coach always said there is no such thing as a gamer because if you don't perform in practice, you aren't getting in the game.

 

 

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[jonz44 805]

6 hours ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

I tend to agree with almost all of this. I don’t want Archie fired though.

I think he’s learning some tough lessons. IMO this team didn’t mesh with Archie. I don’t want to read into things, but not a single senior specifically thanked Archie. That’s a bad look.

I fully agree, some guys are gamers. Jake and Clifton always looked better to me than Fitzner in limited minutes.

I think Archie felt he could trust Fitzner better, and Fitzner was a better practice player.

Idk, I’m not mad about losing who we lost because we desperately need roster turnover. I just think Archie had a rough year with this team.

I actually think Romeo should have been benched at times too. Smith for sure, and he eventually did forever late.


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I believe you're correct on most of this. Your last paragraph? When you tell players you do or do not want specific things done and they blatantly disobey? You lose their respect and the respect of the other players as well. I thought the frustration was very evident on Archie's face and in his body language this year. More so than last year. It'll be interesting to see how this offseason continues to play out and what transpires next season. I really think the next 12 months are make or break time for Archie. Hope he makes it. 

[mdn82 25,510]

I'm not sure, exactly.   I know it's mostly a measure of how scholarship athletes perform academically; and I THINK it matters if the kids who leave are in academic trouble....meaning they were struggling.    Lots of schools have kids leave for myriad reasons, so I don't believe it's an issue...but I truly don't know.

You are correct. As long as they complete the school year and leave on good academic standing it isn’t an issue or I think we would have saw a lot of this go down in January.


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[Bill clapper 17]

Archie needs to reach out to Michael Lewis would be a great addition to the staff!!!


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[Bill clapper 17]

The transfer market is going to be really strong. We need to find two very important pieces. 

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[Chris007 43,567]

My goodness after reading all of the posts from last night, it must have been a wet Wednesday with some mid-week drinking. Jake was a reach, to begin with, and if he couldn't get any time on the floor during a losing streak then it was best that he moves on. Race was in concussion protocol for over a month and came back to pass him on the depth chart immediately. You need 3 maybe 4 good big men to compete in the Big Ten. We have Davis, Brunk :-), TJD and Thompson. Everyone calm down. Meetings will be over by the end of the day so this might be the last one besides Romeo. 

[Chris007 43,567]

1 hour ago, Bill clapper said:

Archie needs to reach out to Michael Lewis would be a great addition to the staff!!!


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For what job?

[HoosierRobbie 929]

My goodness after reading all of the posts from last night, it must have been a wet Wednesday with some mid-week drinking. Jake was a reach, to begin with, and if he couldn't get any time on the floor during a losing streak then it was best that he moves on. Race was in concussion protocol for over a month and came back to pass him on the depth chart immediately. You need 3 maybe 4 good big men to compete in the Big Ten. We have Davis, Brunk :-), TJD and Thompson. Everyone calm down. Meetings will be over by the end of the day so this might be the last one besides Romeo. 

Just wondering, what do you make of the visit with quinones? Any real shot?


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[LamarCheeks 18,175]

14 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

My goodness after reading all of the posts from last night, it must have been a wet Wednesday with some mid-week drinking. Jake was a reach, to begin with, and if he couldn't get any time on the floor during a losing streak then it was best that he moves on. Race was in concussion protocol for over a month and came back to pass him on the depth chart immediately. You need 3 maybe 4 good big men to compete in the Big Ten. We have Davis, Brunk :-), TJD and Thompson. Everyone calm down. Meetings will be over by the end of the day so this might be the last one besides Romeo. 

For many -- and not just Farmer Ted -- it apparently was a pretty traumatic day ... 
 

 

[Stromboli 6,076]

1 minute ago, HoosierRobbie said:

Just wondering, what do you make of the visit with quinones? Any real shot?


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Everyone thought Quinones was a Memphis lock after his visit a few weeks ago.  Time passed and he didn't commit, to the surprise of many.  Then he schedules his official to Indiana, and this thing is real.  Two nights ago he was on Instagram Live and listed his top 4 as Indiana, Memphis, Maryland, and Michigan.

[Chris007 43,567]

6 minutes ago, HoosierRobbie said:

Just wondering, what do you make of the visit with quinones? Any real shot?


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Yes a real shot. I think we are behind Memphis but we can give him playing time and 3 pt shots. Plus Archie is bringing him Little 5 weekend so that has to be a good thing. 

[HoosierRobbie 929]

Yes a real shot. I think we are behind Memphis but we can give him playing time and 3 pt shots. Plus Archie is bringing him Little 5 weekend so that has to be a good thing. 

Nice! Thanks for the quick reply.


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[Chris007 43,567]

19 minutes ago, LamarCheeks said:

For many -- and not just Farmer Ted -- it apparently was a pretty traumatic day ... 
 

 

I know, I heard Brittany Spears entered a mental facility when she heard about Jake. It's tough on everyone. 

[Class of '66 Old Fart 84,051]

54 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

My goodness after reading all of the posts from last night, it must have been a wet Wednesday with some mid-week drinking. Jake was a reach, to begin with, and if he couldn't get any time on the floor during a losing streak then it was best that he moves on. Race was in concussion protocol for over a month and came back to pass him on the depth chart immediately. You need 3 maybe 4 good big men to compete in the Big Ten. We have Davis, Brunk :-), TJD and Thompson. Everyone calm down. Meetings will be over by the end of the day so this might be the last one besides Romeo. 

Ah Chris007, our personal dose of Prozac.

[Chris007 43,567]

3 minutes ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

Ah Chris007, our personal dose of Prozac.

It might be time for Bloomington or Indiana to legalize :-)

[pumpfake 3,930]

As this disappointing  season finally came to an end, to varying degree, we were clamoring for changes.  Now we are seeing just that.

In my view Archie spend the first season getting his feet under him and began teaching his concepts of play (to an entire roster of players unfamiliar with it).  I believe he had to "spare the rod" to an extent because of the learning curve.  That time is over, and he knows what he has and what needs to be improved. He knows his job is to win and he will have to take some steps that may be unexpected or unpopular - he knows his job will be evaluated on results. We don't have to agree with or even like his strategy, but he's the one with skin in the game

[Lebowski 2,450]

1 minute ago, Chris007 said:

It might be time for Bloomington or Indiana to legalize :-)

The Dude abides.