IU vs Uof6 Game Thread

[HoosierDYT]

The number to beat should be 70 for this team. We can hold almost any team to the country under 70, so if we can score 70 points I feel comfortable with us wining the game.


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[JHoosier914]

You make some fair points. I'm certainly not calling for Miller's job and agree some time is needed to fully evaluate him.....but it's not unreasonable to expect noticeable progress either. Last season's team was definitely flawed, but improved as the year went on with Freddie McSwain as the starting center....... This year's team is more talented and, with exception of Marquette, hasn't played like it. There have been injuries for sure, so let's hope as that improves so does IU's on court product. I really hope Archie doesn't excel as the under-dog but struggles with high expectations. Not saying that is the case, but man I hate that. I want consistency at a high level, as it should be at IU. 
 

Last year, according to Kenpom, our Adjusted Offensive and Defensive Efficiency ranked 92nd and 65th respectively. So far, this year we are ranked 37th and 23th, respectively. I realize those numbers will change as we enter big ten play, but I’d call that improvement.


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[HoosierDYT]

We also had a season low 10 turnovers yesterday...very impressive

[Uspshoosier]

TO percentage has gone down each of the last 4 games.
Duke-17.8
Northwestern-16.2
Penn St-15.6
Louisville-13.4



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[mdn82]

I think the problem people have - and perhaps not articulating -is the style we're playing is not sustainable and won't win consistently.  Eventually, you don't win all of your 1 or 2 point games.   Yeah, we're 3-0 in the last 3; but easily could be 0-3 in large part because our offense has looked pretty anemic at times and at best is  shaky.

But we aren’t 0-3. I see a lot of people freaking out on the extreme worst case scenario of the non conference schedule that didn’t happen. Last year we lost close. This year we are winning close. We need to knock down free throws. Yesterday we did a better job with turnovers and that’s why we won. It’s an improvement over last year.


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[mdn82]

Last year, according to Kenpom, our Adjusted Offensive and Defensive Efficiency ranked 92nd and 65th respectively. So far, this year we are ranked 37th and 23th, respectively. I realize those numbers will change as we enter big ten play, but I’d call that improvement.


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This is what I keep seeing and then I circle back here and it’s doom and gloom. We are 10 games in. Our numbers will change some but not much barring a huge change. This is what we are. A pretty damn solid team.


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[Deserthoozier]

Team is collectively playing tough, hard nosed D — something that was consistently absent in the prior regime.  That is keeping them in nearly every game. Though not perfect all the time, everyone getting playing time is strongly committed. That’s really refreshing and is creating opportunity. Offensive flow still needing some work - but has come together enough to get it in these tight ones.  Again, something that doesn’t happen in past regimes. If it continues to evolve and becomes more succinct - this will be a really exciting, sold group. Good to have a week to get heathy! Goood to beat Uof6!! Go Hoosiers!

[Old Friend]

2 minutes ago, mdn82 said:

But we aren’t 0-3. I see a lot of people freaking out on the extreme worst case scenario of the non conference schedule that didn’t happen. Last year we lost close. This year we are winning close. We need to knock down free throws. Yesterday we did a better job with turnovers and that’s why we won. It’s an improvement over last year.


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What I'm saying is people are not reacting to results, necessarily.  We still look very incomplete at times and we struggled with a couple of teams (UTA and UCD) we really shouldn't.   FT's are definitely a concern.  Having (until yesterday) just 2 threats to score was a concern.  Same with the lack of movement, decision making by players like Green and Smith, the complete inefficacy of McRoberts, injuries, etc.  Eyeball test.    We don't look like a good team despite winning ugly.    Yeah...it's better.  But I think what some are saying is it needs to look better than it does if we can sustain it.

[Whoozhers]

After watching the re-play on Fox Sports1 a few minutes ago...... it’s amazing how we won that game in spite of the RIDICULOUSLY POOR officiating. They couldn’t make the right call after watching the replay on the play out of bounds. Five against Eight.... it’s hard to skate!

Also though.....why would we have defended their last 2 second possession up four points? Morgan was within a whisker of getting a foul. Unexplainable IMO.....

 

 

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[biteoftheapple]

I never blame the officials. I cannot imagine doing that. Yes bad calls happen. But they even out.

[Josh]

17 minutes ago, Whoozhers said:

 

Also though.....why would we have defended their last 2 second possession up four points? Morgan was within a whisker of getting a foul. Unexplainable IMO.....

 

I thought the same thing.  Why in the world would you play defense there?  I would have my players walk to the sideline.  That was just dumb

[BGVille Hoosierfan]

I'm hearing that this is going to be De'Ron's final season and will be graduating early...this means we still actually may be pursuing another for 2019 or IF Romeo stays we won't have to "Crean" house.


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[OliviaPope40]

18 hours ago, Iugradman said:

Love Each Other. Pretty lame.

Yeah does seem lame but whatever floats their boat.

[Whoozhers]

I never blame the officials. I cannot imagine doing that. Yes bad calls happen. But they even out.

Bad calls are one thing ....but..... completely missing the obvious is not permissible IMO. That’s not a bad call. That’s being incompetent.


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[mdn82]

What I'm saying is people are not reacting to results, necessarily.  We still look very incomplete at times and we struggled with a couple of teams (UTA and UCD) we really shouldn't.   FT's are definitely a concern.  Having (until yesterday) just 2 threats to score was a concern.  Same with the lack of movement, decision making by players like Green and Smith, the complete inefficacy of McRoberts, injuries, etc.  Eyeball test.    We don't look like a good team despite winning ugly.    Yeah...it's better.  But I think what some are saying is it needs to look better than it does if we can sustain it.

I get that, but I think that’s what we are now. That type of team you are describing ends up in that 4-7 seed range. I think our ceiling is obviously higher if all things fell into place. But I don’t see it without Hunter, Justin Smith being Jekyl and Hyde offensively, Morgan playing like honorable mention instead of 1st team, Romeo taking over even more, and Morgan staying out of foul trouble. I just see that as who we are and it’s a 4-7 seed. Winning some good games and losing some wtf games. We haven’t lost those yet but we will I think.


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[Old Friend]

1 hour ago, mdn82 said:

I get that, but I think that’s what we are now. That type of team you are describing ends up in that 4-7 seed range. I think our ceiling is obviously higher if all things fell into place. But I don’t see it without Hunter, Justin Smith being Jekyl and Hyde offensively, Morgan playing like honorable mention instead of 1st team, Romeo taking over even more, and Morgan staying out of foul trouble. I just see that as who we are and it’s a 4-7 seed. Winning some good games and losing some wtf games. We haven’t lost those yet but we will I think.


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Agreed and I think many people (myself included) believe, and reasonably so, that this team's ceiling should be higher than that.    There's no reason with the depth, length, and experience we have to have an offense that looks like this.   I think that's the gist of the frustration.

[Deserthoozier]

1 hour ago, Whoozhers said:

After watching the re-play on Fox Sports1 a few minutes ago...... it’s amazing how we won that game in spite of the RIDICULOUSLY POOR officiating. They couldn’t make the right call after watching the replay on the play out of bounds. Five against Eight.... it’s hard to skate!

Also though.....why would we have defended their last 2 second possession up four points? Morgan was within a whisker of getting a foul. Unexplainable IMO.....

 

 

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I thought it was relatively balanced. A few no calls or missed calls on both sides. Now the Arkansas game—that was horrible!

[Southside]

I get some frustration, but I think a lot of folks have irrational/unrealistic expectations to begin with.

The good
-Morgan returns
-Langford one and done stud

The bad, or the challenges
-Six new players (half the team), 5 frosh, plus a one dimensional transfer
-With the above, add Race Thompson who logged zero minutes last year (RS)
-Injuries to 3 players who were projected as preseason starters (Davis, Green, McRoberts), as well as impacts to Hunter, Thompson, and Durham.

IU was a poor team to start last year, who improved to be a mediocre team by the end of the season. To think we're going to be lights out world beaters (even without injury) early this year is pretty silly given what returned, and knowing we have 6 brand new guys coming in. Then add in the 6 injuries at various stages in a very short amount of time. 

Personally I thought by mid season (if healthy) we'd be starting to gel, and by end of season we'd be competing for 3rd or 4th place and we'd make the tourney. Maybe even second place with luck. We haven't been healthy at all, but we've still persevered to be 8-2 with a respectable KP ranking. I see no reason to think we won't compete for 3rd or 4th. For those who started out thinking we should win the Big, or even take second... are setting themselves up to be miserable this year.

Be happy with a W, any W. And expect improvement while we get healthy. 

Last night, officiating sucked at times, and our FTs sucked.  I'm betting Archie is working hard on FTs given his temperment in-game.
 

Edited December 9, 2018 by Irish YJ

[Alford Bailey]

Take away Romeo and we are last years mediocre team. Partly due to injuries and also because several have peaked or arent that good.

[Alford Bailey]

1 hour ago, Deserthoozier said:

I thought it was relatively balanced. A few no calls or missed calls on both sides. Now the Arkansas game—that was horrible!

Fisch was letting Eads have it on the radio.