Allen was the correct choice

[8bucks]

IUs football program is historically one of the losingest programs in the country. Then on top of that We have some of the nations top programs just in our division and get to play them every year.

So, let's be a little realistic about who we are and who would want to coach here.



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[mamasa]

14 minutes ago, 8bucks said:

IUs football program is historically one of the losingest programs in the country. Then on top of that We have some of the nations top programs just in our division and get to play them every year.

So, let's be a little realistic about who we are and who would want to coach here.



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Billy Donovan!!  Oh wait.....

[mamasa]

21 minutes ago, Joe DeLow said:

No. 

That was worth reading

[Brass Cannon]

10 hours ago, HoosierX said:

So by your logic, which has to be implied since you're not stating it, Bob Knight was a bad hire as well.

No Wilson wasn't a bad hire because he was a jerk. He was a bad hire because he was a jerk while not caring about his players safety in the least bit. 

[8bucks]

People say the same thing about Texas A&M but they don’t give a darn. They just go out and find the money to get a top coach. Until IU gets rid of its loser mentality when it comes to football it will continue to lose. Oregon, Northwestern, and Wisconsin used to be losers as well, but they said enough is enough and went out and changed the culture.
Numerous programs have risen and found success in both football and basketball. TCU has a top 20 basketball team. Oregon went to consecutive Elite Eights. If there is a will there is a way. No excuses for IU to continue to suck.

The fact that you think Texas A&M Football's history is similar to IU Football is crazy.


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[KB0]

I know this is supposed to be a thread about Tom Allen, but people keep saying that Lemonis was a bad hire and that is really confusing to me. The program is worse than it worse in Tracy Smith's final two years? Absolutely. Those were also the best two years in IU baseball history. Expecting there to be no drop off is unrealistic. 

Let's look at Tracy Smith's tenure vs. Lemonis. 

Smith: 

2006 - 22-34 (11-21) - No tournament

2007 - 19-35 (8-23) - No tournament

2008 - 31-30 (15-17) - No tournament

2009 - 32-27 (16-7) - NCAA Regional

2010 - 28-27 (12-12) - No tournament

2011 - 30-25 (11-13) - No tournament

2012 - 23-28 (16-8) - No tournament

2013 - 49-16 (17-7) - College World Series

2014 - 42-13 (21-3) NCAA Regional

5 winning seasons. 4 winning seasons in the B1G. Made the post-season 3/9 years. Advanced out of the regionals one time. 

Lemonis:

2015 - 35-24 (12-10) - NCAA Regional

2016 - 32-24 (15-9) - No tournament

2017 - 34-24-2 (14-9-1) - NCAA Regional

3 winning seasons in the B1G and overall. Post-season 2/3 years. Has not advanced out of regionals. 

Yes, Lemonis inherited a better situation, but we're still talking about a B1G baseball team. Making it two the tournament in 2 of the first 3 seasons is impressive. The next few years will tell us a lot about the coach Lemonis will be. He is recruiting well and knows the Midwest. I like his chances.

[Walking Boot of Doom]

People say the same thing about Texas A&M but they don’t give a darn. They just go out and find the money to get a top coach. Until IU gets rid of its loser mentality when it comes to football it will continue to lose. Oregon, Northwestern, and Wisconsin used to be losers as well, but they said enough is enough and went out and changed the culture.
Numerous programs have risen and found success in both football and basketball. TCU has a top 20 basketball team. Oregon went to consecutive Elite Eights. If there is a will there is a way. No excuses for IU to continue to suck.

Guess what? Texas A&M is in Texas. You know what else is there? Ridiculous passion for football, tons of boosters demanding football improvements, and grassroots talent to recruit locally.

The above is true in Indiana for basketball, and really none are true for football.

No excuses, just reasons.


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[Alford Bailey]

I think the administration has the Mike Brown (Bengals owner) approach to football. Be just good enough to make money but never really spend the money it takes to achieve something special. In that regard Allen (or guys like him) are what we should expect.

[bigrod]

2 minutes ago, Joe DeLow said:

Which is crazy.. just win 7-9 games a year can easily make a few million dollars more a year. But I guess we'll settle with 4-6 wins a year. It is smart of the administration... not. We can't even get a random great year. Even Kansas football got just one. That is all I ask for. Just ONE GOOD YEAR.

On one hand, I totally get what you guys are saying. I am that person who gets sucked in every year, thinking, "This is going to be the year we finally 'breakthrough.'" I certainly get tired of being disappointed every year.

On the other hand, we have to be realistic in that IU football is not an attractive job. It was made even worse by the B1G putting us in a division with the perennial powers. I don't know how much money we can throw at someone to come here. A young, up and coming coach is going to want to go somewhere that he knows he can win to build his resume for the landing-spot job.

Also, Glass hired a law firm to look at Wilson. Don't you think while they were investigating, he was at least putting some feelers out to gauge interest if the job came open? Maybe I put too much faith in him, but I have to think he had some idea.

In the end, I like Allen. I think if we give him a couple years, he can take the next step and possibly get to 7-8 wins. He likes IU and is well liked by the Indiana HS coaches. He actually may be the type of coach to stick around if he has some success. At least that is what I'm hoping for - but I'm the guy who is always optimistic that next year is the year...

[RaceToTheTop]

19 hours ago, bigrod said:

 

On the other hand, we have to be realistic in that IU football is not an attractive job. It was made even worse by the B1G putting us in a division with the perennial powers. I don't know how much money we can throw at someone to come here. A young, up and coming coach is going to want to go somewhere that he knows he can win to build his resume for the landing-spot job.

I get that.  But while the schedule in the Big Ten is going to be tough due to the division imbalance, we do play pretty much of a joke non-conference schedule every year (the Virginia win this year turned out to be a good one, but we didn't schedule them thinking we'd be playing a bowl worthy team).  So most years -- if we are truly bowl worthy -- we are looking at needing to go 3-6 in the Big Ten to be bowl eligible.  It's really not asking that much.

My problem is that I simply don't think we went through the right protocol in hiring Allen.  If he was the best candidate for the job, fine....but I don't think we ever tried to determine that.  We simply went the route of taking the best in-house candidate as we were trying to keep recruits on board.  IMO that's short term instead of long term strategy.

[BabyJandJDaddy]

2 hours ago, brumdog45 said:

I get that.  But while the schedule in the Big Ten is going to be tough due to the division imbalance, we do play pretty much of a joke non-conference schedule every year (the Virginia win this year turned out to be a good one, but we didn't schedule them thinking we'd be playing a bowl worthy team).  So most years -- if we are truly bowl worthy -- we are looking at needing to go 3-6 in the Big Ten to be bowl eligible.  It's really not asking that much.

My problem is that I simply don't think we went through the right protocol in hiring Allen.  If he was the best candidate for the job, fine....but I don't think we ever tried to determine that.  We simply went the route of taking the best in-house candidate as we were trying to keep recruits on board.  IMO that's short term instead of long term strategy.

Toughest non-con opponent the next 8 years:

2018: Virginia

2019: UConn

2020: @ UConn

2021: Cincy

2022: @ Cincy (3rd non-con not set yet)

2023: Louisville (@ Lucas Oil)

2024: @ Louisville

2025: Louisville (2nd and 3rd non-cons not set yet)

[Walking Boot of Doom]

Toughest non-con opponent the next 8 years:
2018: Virginia
2019: UConn
2020: @ UConn
2021: Cincy
2022: @ Cincy (3rd non-con not set yet)
2023: Louisville (@ Lucas Oil)
2024: @ Louisville
2025: Louisville (2nd and 3rd non-cons not set yet)

Love this. We really need the Ws from our non-con schedule with the gauntlet the B1G handed us, but I’d rather see us playing top programs and building a strong foundation and excitement, even if it means we don’t get to go to the Ford Fiesta Fiesty Fighters Football Bowl Game brought to you by Chipotle Mexican Grill.


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[HoosierAloha]

I'd like to see one "event" game each season. Whether it's UL at Lucas Oil or another opponent in Indy. The other two can be cupcakes.

I really want IU to the point where 6 wins and a bowl is middle of the road. That's 2-3 noncon wins and 3-4 conference wins. We need a program that will consistently beat Rutger and Maryland in our division and pu in the bucket game. That leaves one win between the crossover games and the powers of the eastern division.

We were a few plays away from winning in several games this season. We really need a few seasons where we don't do IUFB things.


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[Gahoosierfan]

I believe that if IU played in the B10 West this past year they would most likely have finished around 8-4 or even 9-3. 

[DChoosier]

On December 7, 2017 at 12:00 PM, HoosierAloha said:

I'd like to see one "event" game each season. Whether it's UL at Lucas Oil or another opponent in Indy. The other two can be cupcakes.

I really want IU to the point where 6 wins and a bowl is middle of the road. That's 2-3 noncon wins and 3-4 conference wins. We need a program that will consistently beat Rutger and Maryland in our division and pu in the bucket game. That leaves one win between the crossover games and the powers of the eastern division.

We were a few plays away from winning in several games this season. We really need a few seasons where we don't do IUFB things.


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I agree with your sentiments but it seems like we are a "few plays from winning several more games" year after year, after year, after year, after year, after year, after year, after year, after year, after year, after year, after year, after year, after year, after year, after year, etc., etc.

[HoosierAloha]

I agree with your sentiments but it seems like we are a "few plays from winning several more games" year after year, after year, after year, after year, after year, after year, after year, after year, after year, after year, after year, after year, after year, after year, after year, etc., etc.

Yes, we IU football it time after time after time..


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[DChoosier]

Will be interesting to read what people think after next year.

Just took a look at the 2018 schedule and would not be surprised to see us only win four games next year.  Think the most likely range is 3-5 wins.

[TXHoosierDaddy]

On 12/19/2017 at 10:51 PM, DChoosier said:

Will be interesting to read what people think after next year.

Just took a look at the 2018 schedule and would not be surprised to see us only win four games next year.  Think the most likely range is 3-5 wins.

I can also see around 7 wins. We have to sweep our non-con and then take care of business at home against Purdue, Maryland and ill say one of Iowa/Mich St. Then throw in a win at Rutgers. To me, that's very very doable. Our offense should take a nice step forward so as long as our defense doesn't revert back to the old days (i don't think it will with Allen) I see no reason we can't go 7-5.

Of course it's IU football though so I wouldn't dare place a bet on this :)

[Walking Boot of Doom]

10 minutes ago, TXHoosierDaddy said:

I can also see around 7 wins. We have to sweep our non-con and then take care of business at home against Purdue, Maryland and ill say one of Iowa/Mich St. Then throw in a win at Rutgers. To me, that's very very doable. Our offense should take a nice step forward so as long as our defense doesn't revert back to the old days (i don't think it will with Allen) I see no reason we can't go 7-5.

Of course it's IU football though so I wouldn't dare place a bet on this :)

Maryland is becoming more than a "take care of business" game. They just brought in an excellent recruiting class.

[cthomas]

We just signed one of our better classes and it is still projected 10th best in conference. Not only that, but the past few have been in the same range. I don't see how we can expect better results as long as our recruiting stays at this level.