Corruption in College Basketball

[Class of '66 Old Fart]

The NCAA has given Louisville a verbal notice of inquiry, indicating it may be set to move on the pay-for-play case:

https://www.wdrb.com/sports/crawford-ncaa-gives-louisville-verbal-notice-of-inquiry-may-be/article_24639286-5beb-11e9-9576-030c42c21937.html

[Capt. Crimson]

My dream list? Kentucky, Duke, North Carolina, Kansas, Mich State, Syracuse & Louisville. Anyone else is gravy, but I want to see those programs burn. Yes, yes I know they are untouchable, yada yada. Can't help that my heart wants what my heart wants. 

Don’t really know why you’d want any program to burn. A lot of these programs are the reason that 90% of people even pay attention.


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[Capt. Crimson]

They have defrauded everyone (fans & opponents) by blatantly cheating. If that causes 90% of people to lose interest, I'm fine with that.
 

Syracuse? Michigan State?


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[darB s'tI]

Can you imagine if Indiana had been named in this scandal?  We would have been black balled, given the death penalty, had coaches removed and suffered a multi year tournament ban. I kid, mostly, but how is it that we have a minor infraction in previous years and the NCAA absolutely pounces on us, yet strippers, rapes, pay-to-play, etc. go unpunished. Makes me lose faith...

[JSHoosier]

32 minutes ago, IU-DL said:

Can you imagine if Indiana had been named in this scandal?  We would have been black balled, given the death penalty, had coaches removed and suffered a multi year tournament ban. I kid, mostly, but how is it that we have a minor infraction in previous years and the NCAA absolutely pounces on us, yet strippers, rapes, pay-to-play, etc. go unpunished. Makes me lose faith...

NCAA didn't, IU hammered IU.  We did the NCAAs job for them.

[Brass Cannon]

7 minutes ago, JSHoosier said:

NCAA didn't, IU hammered IU.  We did the NCAAs job for them.

Yep had we defended Sampson they would have done nothing. And I bet we have #6 and possibly 7 by now

[schoosier]

22 minutes ago, JSHoosier said:

NCAA didn't, IU hammered IU.  We did the NCAAs job for them.

A perfect example of another reason our administration has failed miserably for 20 years. Knights firing and the bs no tolerance policy started it and Creans extension pretty much bookends the last 2 decades of IU b-ball. Getting a president that understands the importance of athletics and hiring an SEC AD would help get this sleeping giant turned around quickly.

[JSHoosier]

56 minutes ago, schoosier said:

A perfect example of another reason our administration has failed miserably for 20 years. Knights firing and the bs no tolerance policy started it and Creans extension pretty much bookends the last 2 decades of IU b-ball. Getting a president that understands the importance of athletics and hiring an SEC AD would help get this sleeping giant turned around quickly.

Dumbest thing we could've done there.  The NCAA is borderline incompetent, don't do their job for them; you'll just end up screwing yourself.  RMK had no chance of making it through "zero tolerance" in the first place.

IU needs a new administration, period.  Sports shouldn't be top priority for an administration, but understand the role they play; don't be negligent at best and actively hampering at worst.

[Walking Boot of Doom]

Dumbest thing we could've done there.  The NCAA is borderline incompetent, don't do their job for them; you'll just end up screwing yourself.  RMK had no chance of making it through "zero tolerance" in the first place.
IU needs a new administration, period.  Sports shouldn't be top priority for an administration, but understand the role they play; don't be negligent at best and actively hampering at worst.

To be fair, this is accurate in hindsight. I don’t know that serious precedent had really been set back then. It’s very clear now having watched all of these scandals that you deny deny deny.


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[ElectricBoogaloo]

The NCAA is FINALLY taking concrete action on a big name school that deserves punishment!

https://deadspin.com/ncaa-punishes-cal-poly-basketball-for-giving-student-at-1834168620

[Brass Cannon]

Just now, ElectricBoogaloo said:

The NCAA is FINALLY taking concrete action on a big name school that deserves punishment!

https://deadspin.com/ncaa-punishes-cal-poly-basketball-for-giving-student-at-1834168620

Lol you really can’t make this **** up

[LIHoosier]

Ah, they self reported. Would have been better just giving the kids A's instead of trying to educate them.

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[Walking Boot of Doom]

The NCAA is FINALLY taking concrete action on a big name school that deserves punishment!
https://deadspin.com/ncaa-punishes-cal-poly-basketball-for-giving-student-at-1834168620

Literally never report. Why do schools even report anything?


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[Class of '66 Old Fart]

Judge Ramos ruled this morning that Sean Miller and Will Wade do not have to testify in next week’s FBI trial.  He granted the government’s motion to preclude them from testifying.

Question of whether Arizona men's coach Sean Miller paid his players is "irrelevant" to bribery charges against former hoops consultants Christian Dawkins and Merl Code, NYC federal judge says.

Judge Edgardo Ramos reserved the right to change his mind but it doesn't look like jury will hear recordings of Miller or see him testify

 

This from the defense attorney:   ‘The evidence establishes very clearly that Sean Miller is paying players at Arizona,’ defense attorney Steve Haney said in this morning’s hearing. He told reporters afterwards ‘You’ll have to be here to hear the evidence’.  ‘There are 2 head coaches that are engaged in systematic cheating at the highest level,’ Haney said in relation to Sean Miller and Will Wade.

I'd like a couple of our btb attorneys to weigh in on Haney's statements which seem to be pretty unequivocal.  Is he hoping they'll sue him for slander?

[WayneFleekHoosier]

UGH!


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[Stuhoo]

31 minutes ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

Judge Ramos ruled this morning that Sean Miller and Will Wade do not have to testify in next week’s FBI trial.  He granted the government’s motion to preclude them from testifying.

Question of whether Arizona men's coach Sean Miller paid his players is "irrelevant" to bribery charges against former hoops consultants Christian Dawkins and Merl Code, NYC federal judge says.

Judge Edgardo Ramos reserved the right to change his mind but it doesn't look like jury will hear recordings of Miller or see him testify

 

This from the defense attorney:   ‘The evidence establishes very clearly that Sean Miller is paying players at Arizona,’ defense attorney Steve Haney said in this morning’s hearing. He told reporters afterwards ‘You’ll have to be here to hear the evidence’.  ‘There are 2 head coaches that are engaged in systematic cheating at the highest level,’ Haney said in relation to Sean Miller and Will Wade.

I'd like a couple of our btb attorneys to weigh in on Haney's statements which seem to be pretty unequivocal.  Is he hoping they'll sue him for slander?

 

No one will be suing anyone for slander.

1. Truth is a defense against slander (lol)

AND the more legally relevant reason:

         2. If they sued for slander there would be depositions and potentially a public civil trial in which the statements of systematic cheating would be examined in detail as a relevant facet of the the slander allegation. And that's the LAST thing Wade and Miller want. Now maybe they will pull the ol' 'threat of a lawsuit that has an absolute zero chance of actually happening'? Sure - that's a safe route for Wade and Miller.

 

[HoosierAloha]

I’ve said it for awhile but I’ll keep screaming it from the hill tops. The NCAA has a pretty good idea of what kind of things are going on in THEIR organization and couldn’t give a damn because it makes them rich. With all the evidence out there, they’re hoping this moves at a snails pace so in a few years this will all blow over. This tactic has been used effectively by most of the biggest cheaters and scum in the game. THIS is the new era of college hoops and as long as the NCAA makes their millions from it they’ll keep looking the other way, and absolute idiots, in hopes they survive.

Why would a governing body enforce rules to the programs that make them the most profit?


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[WayneFleekHoosier]

I’ve said it for awhile but I’ll keep screaming it from the hill tops. The NCAA has a pretty good idea of what kind of things are going on in THEIR organization and couldn’t give a damn because it makes them rich. With all the evidence out there, they’re hoping this moves at a snails pace so in a few years this will all blow over. This tactic has been used effectively by most of the biggest cheaters and scum in the game. THIS is the new era of college hoops and as long as the NCAA makes their millions from it they’ll keep looking the other way, and absolute idiots, in hopes they survive.

Why would a governing body enforce rules to the programs that make them the most profit?


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And we wonder why we are an afterthought and unsuccessful at $$$ sports??


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[Deserthoozier]

6 hours ago, ElectricBoogaloo said:

The NCAA is FINALLY taking concrete action on a big name school that deserves punishment!

https://deadspin.com/ncaa-punishes-cal-poly-basketball-for-giving-student-at-1834168620

Best quote from article is last sentence...

 

“The NCAA is like Batman if he spent all his time beating the **** out of jaywalkers.”

[DChoosier]

8 hours ago, HoosierAloha said:

I’ve said it for awhile but I’ll keep screaming it from the hill tops. The NCAA has a pretty good idea of what kind of things are going on in THEIR organization and couldn’t give a damn because it makes them rich. With all the evidence out there, they’re hoping this moves at a snails pace so in a few years this will all blow over. This tactic has been used effectively by most of the biggest cheaters and scum in the game. THIS is the new era of college hoops and as long as the NCAA makes their millions from it they’ll keep looking the other way, and absolute idiots, in hopes they survive.

Why would a governing body enforce rules to the programs that make them the most profit?


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Agree totally. I bitched and moaned on posts about the NCAA taking so long to act on UNC, in spite of a mountain of evidence, and kept getting replies basically saying be patient, and I just did not understand the process, etc, etc. Well....we know how that ended.