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Pretty impressive since we’re the only bad team on there. I have to say is a pretty good showing by OSU too given they weren’t stellar. IU has some of the best fans in the country easily.

Will Wade lost and I didn’t get to see it live

To me, it is truly astounding that our fan base still cares that much about our college basketball team. Never have so many cared so much about such a mid program. If we ever are a perennial top ten program again, look out.

Sisley transferring -not so much. So let's hope that the Sisley is staying rumors are true.

Probably nothing, substantively. I don’t begrudge somebody like Underwood recruiting half the Adriatic League if that’s the structure in place. He’s not cheating. I’m just never gonna be down with some 22yo who’s been playing La Liga A for 3 years taking a scholly and an opportunity from a high school senior. I get why coaches do it, too much money and too much pressure to win not to, but I’m just never gonna be on board with it.

Doubt it happens, and anyone looking at his shooting stats at FSU isn’t gonna be down, but, man, did I love Daquan Davis in high school. Total alpha. Competed his a$$ off. Really defended. The energy was palpably different when he was on the floor. Played travel ball with Derik Queen and yet when you watched those games there was no question it was Davis’ team. Missed basically all of last year after knee surgery, no idea how bad, so has 3 years of eligibility left. A PG with 3 yrs of eligibility, I’d be forced to explore that one.

Yes Anyone that thought the staff and roster were put together by design is mistaken. Things went wrong early and significantly with DDs plans for year one. No one intentionally starts a job, like he started this one on purpose. Once it was thrown together I think he coached his butt off though. By this time next month I believe we will be excited by the new approach, the changes in staffing and the results that come from it. We need 5 starters and the first 2 guys off the bench.

Does the air smell like Will Wade's tears?

Does Luke Brown still have eligibility left?

Probably already started watching film of past year's pace car drivers.

Shot making at its finest. Low percentage shot one after another that guys were repeatedly making. Beautiful Disaster. (Shouts to 311)

Cig will be driving the pace car for this year’s Indy 500. Sweet. “Coach Cignetti will have our field in a special victory lap formation as he leads the stars of the NTT IndyCar Series to the green flag at this year’s Indy 500,” IndyCar and IMS President J. Douglas Boles said. “His Hoosiers have been nothing short of remarkable, and their National Championship run inspired our entire state. He’s the perfect choice to drive the Chevrolet Pace Car, and I know his introduction on Race Day will bring out a special roar of appreciation from our crowd.”

Back at my happy place if the pic loaded

To your point, with as bad as we've been for so long, the amount of social media engagement and TV viewership is definitely way lower than its potential ceiling. The amount of online engagement about a good IUBB team would crash this site and easily move us into the top 4 or 5 on this list lol

a sleeping giant that is for sure. Gosh I long for the days when we are good at basketball again.....

Couple things. 1. Every team has money these days. IU has a lot of money but I'm not convinced they have top tier money, at least in terms of player compensation. 2. Money is the ONLY thing IU has these days. There's no culture, there's no momentum, there's no nothing. Guys come to IU to collect a check. That's a harsh but true reality. We're spending, and overspending on that, simply to field a team that goes through the motions year after year. We give up on coaches 1-2 years into their tenure and by year 4 we're starting over. It's been a two decade plus cycle. It's a vicious one. 3. Winning 20 games and making the tournament every year should be the goal of every non blueblood program. The really good programs consistently win 20+ games and make the tournament at a high clip. Unfortunately, IU isn't a really good program right now....we aren't even a good program.

Charles Barkley and Dickie V….I think I’ll watch this one on mute

Drew got invited to an Elite power lunch. Wow -- huge news! ;-) I had to look this up. It's a networking event.

It always has in the past. The NBA’s quasi-age limit has held up. The NFL’s defacto age limit has withstood legal challenges. Most HS leagues have age limits. An age range of 18-23 is probably the strongest nexus that binds college athletics to the actual universities and other students and separates it from American professional leagues. They’re going to have to dump the NCAA or rebrand it. They’re too politically toxic to win enough legal challenges to keep whatever the conferences want to enforce.

Nah…IU lost those same leads early in the year too. Rod Clark did his best at excuse making but I think media relations is best handled by the HC and not assistants. Woody was notorious for that.

College contracts where a transferring player is 'taxed' 10% of his NIL deal with this new team. That money going back to the school where he transferred from. This would level the playing field a little plus would make recruiting freshman (who would have no buyout tax).

And if you are collecting Social Security or have an AARP membership like Chad Baker-Mazara you are officially too old to be a college athlete.

You've got two options. 1) Declare student-athletes employees and form a CBA like you would see in a professional league setting. This would establish some kind of hard/soft salary cap and players would be held to the contracts they've previously signed. or 2) Declare an age limit (23 and under would be my preference) and a definitive eligibility standard ie you get 5 years to play 5 years. NCAA continually loses eligibility cases because they don't consistently apply their rules. Judges have sided with the NCAA when a precedent has been set, but you can't let one guy play and then deny eligibility to the next guy with a similar case. Once you start enforcing age and eligibility requirements consistently, the lawsuits will start to hold up.

After the IU/UK game I thought I'd never have to suffer through another Chuck/Dickie broadcast and yet here we are once again not discussing the game whatsoever. This is an NCAA Tournament game mind you.

Has a smoking hot wife too!

cough *Cupps* cough

Same. It's hard to evaluate assistants, they're mostly behind the scenes and I can't tell who does what. In general, people have mixed views on Drew Adams. Kenny... we've all seen him forever at this point... nice guy but he seems just "okay." And then there is Nick Norton, who is pretty young and I think more junior on the staff. This is the group that helped assemble our less than ideal roster last year. Rod is a key TBD in my book since he was hired after we got our roster together. He's highly regarded. Can he come through and land some key players? We really need him to. And then off course there is Carr as Exec Director. We know he is focused on the roster, but I suspect that means he has some input on the assistants focused on recruiting? We'll see. I also don't think there will be any changes, at least not until after the portal.

I didn't even see Schwarber in the interview until you said something, LOL.

Drew looks pissed about it.

I'm not thinking an age cap would pass legal muster. Years of eligibility ... yes. One time transfer only? Not sure about that one.

I think that Bargen and Norton are the offensive and defensive coordinators.

My crystal ball for what feel like entirely likely hypotheticals: Devries needs a tourney birth by year 3 or he’ll be fired. If after four years he’s had just one 7-10 seed invite and no second weekend he’d likely be done…but that could be quite the tough call for Dolson Oh, and to stay on topic…hopefully Ryan Carr is a tide that raises all boats—making our current assistant coaches more successful in their roles

My $0.02, which could be wrong. I see two primary issues here. 1) In order to get an anti-trust exemption that allows rules to be enforced, I think there will need to be collective bargaining. Congress, who does the anti-trust thing, isn't close to agreeing on an anti-trust exemption without one. It's just how it works -- if employer and labor agree on terms, anti-trust can be waived. The last thing schools want to do is collectively bargain. The reason is the result will likely be schools paying the players way more than they make now. A CBA negotiation is going to include (i) players pushing for more comp by citing pro leagues that get a higher % of revenue than college players, and (ii) players becoming employees that get benefits like insurance and retirement, which is expensive (~$25K+ per player). I could easily see this increasing just the football roster expenses by $5-10M+. This is the last thing schools want -- this is the group that fought tooth and nail to not pay players for decades. 2) Schools and conferences all have conflicting interests. Big programs and conferences like the power they have and don't want to give it up. Smaller conferences want things to level the playing field like caps and jointly negotiated media rights. No one agrees on things, so rules can't be formed and schools won't follow them. For those two above reasons, I expect little change anytime soon. A positive I've seen is the one enforceable thing in college sports is contracts players sign with schools. Those contracts are getting better such that they're hard to break. I don't have a solution. If I had to guess what happens, in the 2030's there will be a breakaway super league for football. 60 to 70 schools, a massive TV deal that can fund the expense of collective bargaining, and CFB will have some order. Perhaps something similar is done for CBB too -- with CBB you've got a different pool of schools. Meanwhile, IU is pretty well positioned to operate in the chaos. We're in a powerful conference and we've got money. And it's worked -- we're the CFB champs and king of college sports. I like that!

Oh ok I got you and I'm sorry I was just making a light hearted joke honestly wasn't mad if it had got deleted probably should have been haha I was rambling that day. The Burn of selection Sunday was still fresh. The Mods and people who run this board do a fantastic job nothing but respect.

Yup. Unless Congress gives the NCAA an antitrust exemption or some such and let’s them blow the current thing up I imagine we’re just looking at a long-term new reality. And as toothless as the NCAA seems in this whole deal, if Bama can cherry pick some local alumnus judge and get a Charles freakin’ Bediako eligible I really don’t know what they’re supposed to do.

Well I have to be careful already been deleted this week for not "Staying on topic" . I know everyone wants to argue numbers inflated or not , but too many first year coaches as you state "middle of the conference tier programs" are doing just that. IU has the resources of a top tier team maybe not 1-5 or even 6-10 but its top 25 and I'm not even saying we should be a top 25 team or top 5 in the Big10 and now when that's now irrational to win .588? no way Its been proven time and again win 20 games and your in, I'm not saying it isn't hard but for even a halfway competent coach and staff with the portal and resources of IU that's a rational goal no one can convince me otherwise We said it for years with football no reason (despite the lack of history) IU couldn't been a 7-8 win Bowl game program on a regular basis. And Obviously the Cig thing in football is as RARE as ANYTHING that has ever happened in the history of sports. I in no way shape or form thought DDV needed to or would accomplish ANYTHING close to what Cig did in year one. I think 20 wins and at least making the NCAA tourney is the basketball equivalent of going 7-5 in football. Maybe DDV is that a good coach and the things mentioned about staff and roster construction were legit issues and he is able to accomplish this or more for the foreseeable future. I just personally don't think he deserves the lack of criticism and accountability the media and many others are giving him. I don't think his or Dolson comments were wrong and I'm glad they acknowledged them and talked about the issues he had this year but I just think they were also a little passive. Just hoping to see a little more sense of urgency and energy? I guess. Again maybe I'll feel differently in and month, 6 months, or a year. I haven't seen enough to make me think I will. Just so I don't get deleted . Drew Adams, Rod Clark , Kenny Johnson haha

While the FBI bosom buddies faced off

Sisley? Not so much.

Gettin rid of the fatheads

The obvious choice!

IU is always on the lookout for a new coach every 4 years so maybe might be a candidate in a couple years. Only half joking

Let’s do this. Tourney has officially started

Wasn't Golden's title team mostly lower major transfers? I could be mistaken. In any case... Aidan Mahaney was a scouting miss by Hurley that ruined their backcourt and limited the team's ceiling. Xaivian Lee from Princeton has turned around a rough start and is now playing pretty well for a championship contender. His former Princeton teammate Pierce is headed to Purdue next year. So Painter thinks that kid is a high major player. Your mileage may vary. You need a certain amount of athleticism and skill, but it's a lot more about a good scout, role, fit, buy-in than whether the player comes from the MAC or Horizon League or was riding the bench for a Big 12 or ACC team. IMO

Delivering

Just a sec — Purdue pays their football team?

From Alec Lasley and this is very impressive. Shay was the second player in NCAA Division I women’s basketball history to have 50/40/90 averages while scoring 20+ points a game (23.2)