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https://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/news/starting-five-schools-feeling-good-after-usa-basketball Article indicates that Garcia is down to 4: Indiana, Marquette, Minnesota, and Memphis.

https://soundcloud.com/user-810324012/10132019-hh-special-guests-anthony-leal-and-his-mother-sherry-leal My friend/co-worker and his twin brother interviewing Leal on their Hoosier Heartland podcast this morning. Just wanted to share. I hope to get on there for a couple this season to share my thoughts about the season/game(s) I get to attend. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

Every year I torture myself with Hoosier football. And every year by mid-season I go into my find a corner and curl up into a ball mode. I think every year I say, "This is the year for 8 wins or better." But this year something changed. I went into the season a bit more realistic. My thoughts prior to the start of season was, likely won't make a bowl. Probable? Yes. Likely? No. I'm actually enjoying watching the games this year because my expectation are way low. I was pleasantly surprised with how close the MSU was. Sucked to see them lose but my expectations didn't really cause me to get upset about the loss. Currently, they already have 4 wins with 2 to 3 games to where they actually have a solid chance at competing for a win. The remainder of the games on the schedule I expect a loss and hope they'll be competitive, but not expecting they will. I hope it works out for CTA because I think if it does, he's gonna stick around (Because we all know IU football is a stepping stone for coaches, much like a MAC school.). And IU football needs stability for it to be a solid consistent competitor. Defining solid consistency for me is almost where the program is at. In the current structure of the Big Ten divisions getting 3 wins in the conference every year is consistent for a program like IU.

Isn't there a thread called Fire Fred Glass this stuff should be debated in? Sent from my SM-G960U using Tapatalk

Pretty cool story about a kid who plays for Samford. His mother remarried when he was in the second grade, and his stepfather essentially raised him. So before family weekend, he changed his last name to that of his stepfather, who had no biological children and therefore, name his wouldn't go on. Now it will.

It's over and done with.

Penix is a Freshman QB! What a blast! We got three more years of years of this young man. This is gonna be fun! Just wish we had a defense. Sent from my iPad using BtownBanners

In my opinion, Tom Allen is not a good coach for the job. Also in my opinion, you should always give a football coach four years to evaluate where the program is. My first opinion being in conflict with the other, side with #2 because I am also of the opinion that my opinion is nothing more than that AND it can be wrong -- and therefore the bigger the sample space to evaluate, the better.

After year 2 and only year 1 with any of his recruits playing at all; given the roster, recruiting, and everything else you see; do people really want Archie fired now? Or...if not, do you want his seat hot enough that he feels it this season? That would be a huge mistake in my mind. 1) If "get old and stay old" is a strategy we agree on unless we can get 3-4 five star kids every year, doesn't it make sense to at least let us GET old? 2) Whoever we'd hire would be the 6th coach in 14 years. (Davis, Sampson, Dakich, Crean, Miller, and _____). Who would we legitimately attract with that carousel and obvious "win now or else" pressure? 3) If you do want him fired now, what is it you don't see happening which makes you think he needs to go? I know the records of his first 2 seasons. Leave those out. I think the "why" matters, and the "why" is legitimate in my mind. As of this moment, given what you see and what you know.....about now and what you can surmise about the future, why do you think he needs to go NOW? My 2 cents? He has recruited back to back Indiana Mr. Basketball and is likely to have a 3rd in a row already in hand. He has 2018 Ohio Mr. Basketball healthy, which I think is an "X factor" this season. He is building depth. I happen to know a former player pretty well (who remains close enough to the program for me to trust) who's told me the players are 100% bought in to Archie. The chemistry is allegedly 180* different than the poison a year ago. Everyone (according to the players) is on the same page and on the same agenda. Not true a year ago, even if I realize he had to recruit Romeo. We have depth (and perhaps the deepest front court in the Big Ten), a growing basketball IQ, players who work hard, and I saw a much improved team late last season compared to earlier in the year. And I saw HIM grow last season given play on the floor, some things that changed on the floor, and the fact that he jettisoned some dead weight. I prefer good coaches who will stay above a carousel of coaches because fans are impatient. I see no reason to fire him now or even have the discussion. I see no reason to light the match under his seat at this point. I think he needs at least another year, and maybe 2; and if given that time, I see consistent success in Indiana's future; and by that I mean consistent 22-24+ wins and top 3-4 conference finishes and NCAA tournaments every season. Results will be what they'll be beyond that; but Indiana will be in the discussion consistently. If that doesn't begin to manifest in the next 2 seasons, I can see the discussion having some merit; but I think those discussions now are premature and frankly pretty short-sighted.

That is a great set to be a part of, very winnable! Adding a guy like this could make a huge difference. He and TJD would make an awesome front line Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile app

How about a quarterback who completes 20 passes in a row and moves the chains to keep the defense off of the field? Not to mention one who can run the RPO, and is only going to get better. He's not just flinging the the ball 60 yards every play. Kids want to play with a dynamic talent like Penix!

Leal plays football?

IU Football will be IU Football until divisions are re-aligned. 7-8 wins is the ceiling and that is attainable. Trending positive. IU Basketball is in a great position for the long haul and they'll be fine for the short term. I'm not sure how anyone can look at the program and players we have and have coming and think otherwise. Will it mean national titles? Nobody knows. It DOES mean we'll have opportunities. You have to stop looking for track records because not a single circumstance is even similar. Crean left the cupboard bare. That's just truth. Archie has done about as well as he could re-stocking it, and if anyone says he's doing a poor job, they're being intellectually dishonest. What do you consider a low bar? Winning Big Ten titles or being in the top 4 consistently and making the NCAA tournament consistently with good results frequently is not a low bar. You accomplish what you can, and sometimes luck or circumstances take you farther or get you beat before you want to; but NCAA championships cannot be an expectation yet. Consistent success can, and I think it is. What's the low bar? IU football has a definite ceiling and a lower bar than some, but it's in pretty good shape at the moment. For what do you blame Glass aside from perhaps a quick hire of Allen?

Brass Cannon = Peyton Ramsey’s dad. Only logical explanation. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile app

Good quarterback invariably = bowl game appearances. That’s true at IU or pretty much any power 5 school this side of Rutgers. Wilson looked quite good with Suds. Since then with Zander, Lagow, and Ramsey there’s been sadness. Now, with four years of Penix, we’re looking at four straight bowl appearances. So there.

Mods -- feel free to move this thread where it needs to be if needed. Is anyone going to the Hoosier Hysterics Homecoming BBQ at blueblird on November 16th? Tix were free, but no longer available online, so I was going to post a link to this thread but cannot anymore. Iĺl be there, as we are taking my daughter to her first IU game that night against Troy.

Jalen Terry decommitted from Sparty. Top 100 pg. probably didn’t help with AJ Hoggard committing last week Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

Nah I think you are twisting what people are saying. They wouldn’t want him to choose the next AD if it were to happen. Kind of like you guys don’t want Fred Glass selecting another coach if he has to fire another coach. Wee bit different than your interpretation. Edit: There are many reasons beyond Glass people want McRobbie gone. Oversimplification of this does nothing really. If you want an Athletic Department with more of a focus on winning you would want change higher up too. It has more to do with an attitude or approach to everything. We don’t McRobbie explicitly gone due to our programs not winning like they should. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile app

Scottie Barnes stays home and commits to FSU. Oregon and Kentucky were involved as well. Top 10 2020 kid. Oregon controlled the crystal ball Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

Is this supposed to prove something? Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile app

Keep blaming everyone else for your lack of knowledge. All of the experts are obviously wrong on Penix as well. 20 completions in a row against a top 10 defense in the country at the time is pretty impressive.

So it's his fault they lost that game? You're obviously watching a different quarterback that everyone else is.

Excellent player. Given our three 2020 sg/sf recruits I’m guessing we won’t have interest, but I guess kinda maybe we could?

Someone even mentioned that Penix wasn't the right quarterback for what we need. SMH! Not even sure what that means.

Jeez, are people still trying to discredit Penix? I'm legitimately shocked. He was one of 16 QB's given an elite grade by PFF in the country. People still doubting him are absolutely insane at this point, I don't think there are any two ways around it. I stopped coming here for a bit because it was almost absurd, and I come back thinking after MSU those opinions would rightly be gone, but apparently not.

If Penix continues to produce, I'm not sure we get four years with him...good problem to have.

A slide? If Glass attempted to put a slide in our football facility he would be eviscerated for putting children’s playground equipment in an adult area. I also was unaware that horseshoes was the game du jour for college students. Admittedly I haven’t been around the Deep South lately, but horseshoes? I guess that’s what it takes to have the #2 team in the country. I wonder if Alabama has a Lincoln Logs table set up for its players..... Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile app

Rock bottom is 2 weeks from now when they lose to a school whose head coach works from a hospital bed.

Losing in Bloomington is their lowest moment? Their home is in New Jersey, I'm sure they'll have worse moments; like leaving Bloomington to go back to New Jersey.

Nice article with TG from ITH. https://www.insidethehall.com/2019/10/14/trey-galloway-says-indiana-can-be-pretty-good-this-year-anxious-to-start-final-season/

Glass is so bad at his job that people openly admit that at this point it's his bosses fault for not firing the guy or holding him accountable.

Care to share the numbers of the clear financial commitment? And, how is that paying off? "It’s Year 4. After a 40-17 loss Saturday at Minnesota, the Illini are 11-30 overall and 4-25 in Big Ten games on Smith’s watch." https://chicago.suntimes.com/2019/10/6/20901448/lovie-smith-illinois-college-football-experiment-isnt-working

I'm not impressed by our defense, but nothing about a team whose only goal is to get to a bowl game will likely be all that impressive. I think our defense is good enough, and statistically much better than last year. Our home versus road defense is also significantly different which worries me for the next 6 games.

I'll concede on Ohio State, but Penix played against both Michigan State and Ball State and the defense was really bad in both games. The next 6 games will tell us whether we have a defense or not. We have a solid quarterback and an offense that can put up points. Our record over the next 6 games will be determined by which defense decides to show up.

But you still look like a blobfish. So there's that. ;)

Great to hear Minny doesn’t scare me too much. Simply because the hot seat Pitino is on Memphis because the $$$ Marquette because proximity and the good recent history

It’s still going to have to show up when we play better teams. And it hasn’t. Michigan State doesn’t have a good offense and they still whooped this defense. This team can be bowl eligible in two weeks. But the defense is going to have to step up to do that. Maryland has fallen off a cliff and their QB isn’t that great. Should be a good game for the DB’s. Nebraska isn’t good but beating the name Nebraska would be nice. Especially at Nebraska. We have 5 winnable games left and the defense is going to have to show in all of them. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile app

The defensive rankings of the SP+ control for opponents and have us ranked around 30th I believe. So once you break it down by the teams we’ve played using an objective methodology... We have a defense. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

That sounds good until you break it down by the teams we've played. 145 total yards to 1-5 UConn, 0 touchdowns. 75 total yards to 1-5 Rutgers, 0 touchdowns 116 total yards to 0-7 FCS Eastern Illinois, 0 touchdowns Average of 112 yards per game against teams with a combined record of 2-17. 398 total yards to 3-3 Ball State, 3 touchdowns 520 total yards to 6-0 Ohio State, 6 touchdowns 445 total yards to 4-3 Michigan State, 4 touchdowns Average of 454 yards per game against teams with a combined record of 13-6. They look unstoppable against the little sisters of the poor. When they play teams as good or better than them they get gashed. We will see what they're made of over the next 6 games. The majority of them are very winnable, so no excuses.

Believe it or not we sit at 13th in the country in total defense

They also dont play half the schedule at UL..lol Wow.. at big bad Wake Forest.

An IU football fan who thinks we may only have someone 3 years? You don't hear that every decade...

The football bar has been set low since I can remember. And the basketball bar was pretty low when Glass took over. Not defending either person, but whether you're an optimist or pessimist, the realist in all of us needs to come out. Unless we give these coaches four to five years to fully cycle in their own players, we will continue this trend that started way before Glass or McRobbie arrived!

Like it or not IUFB is in its best shape in decades and IUBB is healthy and trending positively despite decades of fumbles. It’s been a long time, but right now when things seem to be on the rise is not the time to lose patience and throw it all out. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

We can’t have a slide, they’d hit their heads on the drop ceilings Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

Best post of the day!

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IUFB: 346 Rutgers: 3

My opinion? This is a football program on the rise, especially with a high level quarterback firmly established for the next three + years. Stay the course, of course.

Look Tom Allen may not be the coach for IU, but this is insane. He has had back to back the best recruiting classes at Indiana. There are so many freshman and sophomores on the field. He recruited what looks to be the best quarterback IU has had since ARE. And has done more than most IU coaches in their first two year in winning 5 games. This is Indiana football... what more are you expecting from a program that hasn’t won a bowl game since the early 90s and has only had one winning season since? He has the program headed in the right direction with that talent he is bringing in. But yes let’s just fire him. Give me a break Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners