(2018) SG Romeo Langford - INDIANA HOOSIERS

[Uspshoosier]

Wisconsin made it to just one Elite Eight game in twelve years under Bo Ryan. They needed Sam Dekker on their roster, a five-star top ten recruit from in-state, before they were able to twice win through to the Final Four.

So they didn’t need 3 star Kaminsky(242), 3 star Hayes(137), and Koenig 4 star (110) to make the final 4? They needed all of those guys to make a final 4. As good as Dekker was, Wisky doesn’t make it to the final 4 without those 3 kids with a composite ranking outside the top 100 in my opinion

 

 

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[Bailey7878]

Wisconsin made it to just one Elite Eight game in twelve years under Bo Ryan. They needed Sam Dekker on their roster, a five-star top ten recruit from in-state, before they were able to twice win through to the Final Four.

I'm not saying don't go after the instate 5 star guys but stay away from the national ones that require gutter style recruiting tactics. Even on an in state one you'll know pretty quick if they are wanting something for a verbal. College recruiting will not be cleaned up so the gutter tactics will continue.

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[Bailey7878]

That doesn’t mean they cheated for him. It’s a similar situation to what’s going on here. A top recruit nationally, from Indiana, (Dekker from Wisconsin). We won’t need to cheat for guys like Romeo, TJD, Brooks, Phinisee, etc. Stick to these guys, get the four stars not specifically from Indiana, and wow Indiana’s back in national title contention. No need to cheat here.


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Yep as I said stick to in state guys. I highly doubt Wisconsin cheated for dekker

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[WayneFleekHoosier]

Yep as I said stick to in state guys. I highly doubt Wisconsin cheated for dekker

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Tyler Herro's recruitment looks fishy. Which UK recruitment doesn't?


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[MikeRoberts]

I think Wisconsin may be the best example of a program that recruits their state well and has a good balance of 3, 4, 5 star talent and likely plays within the rules and has consistent success.

IF they are the best example, what does that say for that model in today's game? 2 final 4s and 0 championships in their 16 year period of success.

To be in the top echelon, top 10 every year and a true contender just about every year, I think you need more stars and to get them I think many of these programs work outside of the rules.

I always loved saying to uk fans etc that they are cheaters and we are not but at the end of the day, 20 years later, where has that gotten us? I wish the NCAA and FBI would abolish this crap so everyone could succeed at the highest level without it but they don't




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[Walking Boot of Doom]

Cheaters never win. If we never win another National Championship, but run our program the right way, so be it.


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[MikeRoberts]

Cheaters never win. If we never win another National Championship, but run our program the right way, so be it.


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If IU never wins another championship ever again, the allure, the passion, the attendance etc will all decay and 50 years from now IU basketball will mean little, will become an Iowa, Illinois etc.

I have completely changed my stance on the cheating thing and even hesitate to call it that anymore. If so many are doing it and the people that made the rules refuse to enforce them then what is that? It becomes jay-walking, a law that was written but nobody enforces and everyone does.


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[Bailey7878]

I think Wisconsin may be the best example of a program that recruits their state well and has a good balance of 3, 4, 5 star talent and likely plays within the rules and has consistent success.

IF they are the best example, what does that say for that model in today's game? 2 final 4s and 0 championships in their 16 year period of success.

To be in the top echelon, top 10 every year and a true contender just about every year, I think you need more stars and to get them I think many of these programs work outside of the rules.

I always loved saying to uk fans etc that they are cheaters and we are not but at the end of the day, 20 years later, where has that gotten us? I wish the NCAA and FBI would abolish this crap so everyone could succeed at the highest level without it but they don't




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Wisc 2 final fours in 16 years. Iu 1 final four in 25 years. I'd say the Wisconsin model has worked better than the iu model. Wisconsin is a great model of doing things the right way. Why go into the gutter with the Kentucky and vandys of the world? You know iu would get caught or self repirt.

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[cthomas]

13 minutes ago, MikeRoberts said:

If IU never wins another championship ever again, the allure, the passion, the attendance etc will all decay and 50 years from now IU basketball will mean little, will become an Iowa, Illinois etc.

I have completely changed my stance on the cheating thing and even hesitate to call it that anymore. If so many are doing it and the people that made the rules refuse to enforce them then what is that? It becomes jay-walking, a law that was written but nobody enforces and everyone does.


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I understand the argument in an "end justifies the means" sort of way. But that is a slippery slope that leads to a place that I don't want to be. Too often it leads incrementally sinking deeper and deeper into the darkness.

[Bailey7878]

If IU never wins another championship ever again, the allure, the passion, the attendance etc will all decay and 50 years from now IU basketball will mean little, will become an Iowa, Illinois etc.

I have completely changed my stance on the cheating thing and even hesitate to call it that anymore. If so many are doing it and the people that made the rules refuse to enforce them then what is that? It becomes jay-walking, a law that was written but nobody enforces and everyone does.


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If anything thinks the fbi probe will change college bball recruiting they are fooling themselves. A few fall guys is what we will get. The Arizona program should have been shut down for the season but is currently playing with paid players. Nobody is serious about fixing this. I still don't think iu should cheat though.

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[Hoosier Guy]

It’s a slippery slope for sure. I don’t wanna cheat. But I understand the allure of prospering while being able to get away with it

[MikeRoberts]

Look at the last 20 years of national champions, it is littered with the same schools, all schools that have been rumored to be cheating and they likely have been for a long time. It doesn't seem to matter, they keep winning and winning and winning with no end in sight. Not a lot of do gooders in that list nor does history suggest they will be.

I seriously hate that it has come to this but I believe to act like a blue blood these days you have to act like a blue blood...


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[VO5]

12 minutes ago, Fkfootball1 said:

We don't need to cheat to win. And on top of that, it'll be real satisfying when we do beat the cheating programs.

That’s the thing though, we won’t beat them often. I love our coach, but coaching only goes so far. You need talent to win, and better talent wins out way more often than not. That’s why you always see the same programs at the top. 

[Bailey7878]

Look at the last 20 years of national champions, it is littered with the same schools, all schools that have been rumored to be cheating and they likely have been for a long time. It doesn't seem to matter, they keep winning and winning and winning with no end in sight. Not a lot of do gooders in that list nor does history suggest they will be.

I seriously hate that it has come to this but I believe to act like a blue blood these days you have to act like a blue blood...


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Then duke must be the biggest cheater of them all given all the 5 stars they get. Coach k must be incredibly dirty. Same with izzo.

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[WayneFleekHoosier]

Then duke must be the biggest cheater of them all given all the 5 stars they get. Coach k must be incredibly dirty. Same with izzo.

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They are. They turn a blind eye to where the money comes from. It's not coming from them.


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[Bailey7878]

Then duke must be the biggest cheater of them all given all the 5 stars they get. Coach k must be incredibly dirty. Same with izzo.

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It's just funny that coach k has this sterling reputation of being so ethical and clean and he is probably the biggest cheater of them all. Also, his players are always academically eligible at a very hard school like duke. Never an issue

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[Maedhros]

1 hour ago, Uspshoosier said:

So they didn’t need 3 star Kaminsky(242), 3 star Hayes(137), and Koenig 4 star (110) to make the final 4? They needed all of those guys to make a final 4. As good as Dekker was, Wisky doesn’t make it to the final 4 without those 3 kids with a composite ranking outside the top 100 in my opinion

 

 

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You're attacking a straw man; I made no such claim. Yes, of course Wisconsin needed all those guys. Five star recruits don't get you to the Final Four on their own. Ask Ben Simmons or Markelle Fultz. But I was responding to the notion that we can recruit exclusively those caliber of players and achieve satisfactory results. 

Wisconsin's recruiting approach - landing players like Hayes and Koenig - allowed them to be consistently good, but never great; not until a brief window of luck when Kaminsky surprised everyone with Oladipo-like development at the same time a top ten recruit decided to stay home. Those conditions are unlikely to repeat for the Badgers with any regularity. Maybe shooting the moon like that is the most our program can hope for at this point. But I think most of the same fans holding up Wisconsin's recruiting as a model to emulate would also be disappointed if after twelve years under Archie we have only one Elite Eight appearance to show for it.

[goonaha]

Looks like everyone took USPS' rules reminder to heart. Lol.


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[Yogi's Picnic Basket]

I came here for Romeo talk. Can someone direct me to that thread?

 

[Me So Hornsby]

This place is spiraling lol.


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