(2019) SF Keion Brooks Jr. to Kentucky

[HoosierDribbler]

And I might add,  many times the SYSTEM stops you from being able to do much about it.

[HoosierFan1994]

30 minutes ago, HoosierDribbler said:

As a retired HS teacher I can vouch for how bad attitudes can cause huge issues. If this is true these coaches have had their hands full with this team this yr. 

You have a lot more experience than I do, but with one of the teams I coach on I can see how culture/attitude can be a problem. It is really hard when the majority of your players are spoiled and mentally weak. We had a lot of issues in the classroom and on the court. Administration stepped in and parents were livid about it. Didn't understand why they were being targeted and being held to a higher standard (mind you they are representing a school). Kids also got down easily. If we were down 9-2 early in the first quarter you can forget about making a comeback. 

[Honkyman]

It would be nice to blame IU's woes on a couple of players who don't fully buy into the team concept.  But the real problem is that Coach isn't using his best players (Langford, Morgan & Davis) to full advantage. So let's not blame IU's poor season on a couple of knuckleheads. Even if Green and Smith were gone (and Green was banished for a couple of weeks), the team still has the same problems, i.e., unimaginative offensive scheme and extremely poor 3-point shooting.

[ap2345]

It would be nice to blame IU's woes on a couple of players who don't fully buy into the team concept.  But the real problem is that Coach isn't using his best players (Langford, Morgan & Davis) to full advantage. So let's not blame IU's poor season on a couple of knuckleheads. Even if Green and Smith were gone (and Green was banished for a couple of weeks), the team still has the same problems, i.e., unimaginative offensive scheme and extremely poor 3-point shooting.

You aren’t wrong but at the same time I don’t know if you realize the impact a couple of cancers in the locker room can have on a team.

[HoosierFan1994]

16 minutes ago, Honkyman said:

It would be nice to blame IU's woes on a couple of players who don't fully buy into the team concept.  But the real problem is that Coach isn't using his best players (Langford, Morgan & Davis) to full advantage. So let's not blame IU's poor season on a couple of knuckleheads. Even if Green and Smith were gone (and Green was banished for a couple of weeks), the team still has the same problems, i.e., unimaginative offensive scheme and extremely poor 3-point shooting.

Totall agree with you especially on offense. He needs to get some help in the offseason on it. However, having one locker room troublemaker is an issue. Sounds like IU has plenty of them and that hurts. 

[Walking Boot of Doom]

1 minute ago, HoosierFan1994 said:

Totall agree with you especially on offense. He needs to get some help in the offseason on it. However, having one locker room troublemaker is an issue. Sounds like IU has plenty of them and that hurts. 

I mean, we've got Green chucking up anything he wants, Smith literally cannot make bunnies, and no one except Romeo can make threes. McBob and Fitzner have been rendered useless on offense with their lack of confidence. Davis in the post has been our most consistent and reliable offense. Juwan as well, but we've even seen him struggle.

[IUrocker]

Even though Keion may know there is trouble in the locker room, I’m certain the coaching staff has told him they will be gone and all will be way different next year if he comes to IU. He has been reassured they are well aware of the problem we have going on and he wouldn’t have to deal with it at all next year. 

[Walking Boot of Doom]

7 minutes ago, Iugradman said:

Well, the cold hard truth has no concern for feelings.

And the cold hard truth often seems to have no concern for the actual truth.

[Honkyman]

I've been on teams with troublemakers. Leadership from the top--Coach & captains--usually fixes the problem. The lack of strong leadership from coaches and on the floor with top players usually results in the problem continuing.

[ebridges24]

4 hours ago, Chris007 said:

I know I have used the word cancers and it might be a little strong but I can tell you they are bringing the team down with their attitudes. They are not good teammates and are definitely all about themselves. They only thing they like about team is the letters M E

I kinda knew about Green, but I'm surprised with Smith. And, yes, I believe you when you say it, it just sucks.

[DChoosier]

2 hours ago, Honkyman said:

I've been on teams with troublemakers. Leadership from the top--Coach & captains--usually fixes the problem. The lack of strong leadership from coaches and on the floor with top players usually results in the problem continuing.

Team leadership can help solve issues. Unfortunately in this case Collin Hartman, on his podcasts with Steve Risley, has previously mentioned that Green has a very strong presence in the locker room (ie he would have to solve himself).

 

 

[Chris007]

2 hours ago, Honkyman said:

I've been on teams with troublemakers. Leadership from the top--Coach & captains--usually fixes the problem. The lack of strong leadership from coaches and on the floor with top players usually results in the problem continuing.

As I have been saying with our APR situation that Crean left us in, it's just not that easy. But hopefully, this being the 2nd year in a row with a good APR we can get rid of the troublemakers. 

[Hillsdale87]

16 hours ago, HinnyHoosier said:

 

Have you seen the observations from last night in the team chemistry thread that 41 made??


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Just saw them. I rescind my comment... I still think it's likely that stuff is being overblown because posters have been frustrated with Green and Smith all year, and so all of their issues get magnified more than with other players. That said, there seems to be enough smoke that there's probably some sort of issue with these guys

[Bowhunter]

Maybe it’s a little bit of both. Coaching staff has been doing a poor job of directing a fluent offense and There are a couple bad apples negatively affecting the team chemistry.


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[Brass Cannon]

8 minutes ago, Fkfootball1 said:

Crean had a 29 win season here. I refuse to believe Archie is a worse coach. This team has personnel and chemistry issues.

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I still think we need a shooting coach 

[Stuhoo]

19 minutes ago, Free Jurkin! said:

Just saw them. I rescind my comment... I still think it's likely that stuff is being overblown because posters have been frustrated with Green and Smith all year, and so all of their issues get magnified more than with other players. That said, there seems to be enough smoke that there's probably some sort of issue with these guys

 

I have it on multiple wise authorities beyond the open board that stuff is not being overblown. Don't PM me: if I wanted to say more I would.

Mods generally are not fans of off-court player bashing by name, but when issues are worthy of discussion...

 

[Capt. Crimson]

3 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

 

I have it on multiple wise authorities beyond the open board that stuff is not being overblown. Don't PM me: if I wanted to say more I would.

Mods generally are not fans of off-court player bashing by name, but when issues are worthy of discussion...

 

PM'd

[Stuhoo]

1 minute ago, Capt. Crimson said:

PM'd

 

Which, by the way, Capt. Crimson did not do.    :)

[Hillsdale87]

16 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

 

I have it on multiple wise authorities beyond the open board that stuff is not being overblown. Don't PM me: if I wanted to say more I would.

Mods generally are not fans of off-court player bashing by name, but when issues are worthy of discussion...

 

Well then that sucks... Hopefully stuff gets fixed. I've been a defender of Green's this year, mostly because I think he's been better than people think, not because I think he would be an asset if we had better players. For instance, if Green transferring means we can take Beverly, that would be a great trade.

Smith is actually somebody I think could be very valuable with his defensive versatility as a bench guy getting 15-20 minutes a game. I thought he was pretty good against Purdue. He had a number of shots rim out, but his activity was good, and he's valuable if he can continue to play like that. But if his attitude is as bad as it apparently seems to be, it's better for him to move on.

[Hillsdale87]

20 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

 

I have it on multiple wise authorities beyond the open board that stuff is not being overblown. Don't PM me: if I wanted to say more I would.

Mods generally are not fans of off-court player bashing by name, but when issues are worthy of discussion...

 

BTW, really appreciate all of the insiders that can provide perspectives on issues around the team.