Standards at Indiana

[JSHoosier]

Folks, Crean doesn't shoot. He doesn't pass. He doesn't dribble and he doesn't play defense. He doesn't execute on the floor....his players do (or don't). Williams, Blackmon and Ferrell especially are selfish, lazy and far from leaders. Remember Bracey Wright? He wears #11 this year. I love to see people criticizing Crean...you'd wet yourselves if you were in his position. At some point the players have to be accountable.

Well the coach has seldom held anyone accountable, they screw up time and time again, both on and off the court, and usually nothing happens.  We've very seldom seen him sit someone for poor play, Hanner sat 2 games for driving drunk and Troy failed multiple drug tests before he stood in the corner; that's not being held accountable.  Is it the players not playing defense or Crean not being good at coaching defense (he's not, at all, and it's inarguable)?  Sure they could be held accountable when they decide defense is the thing between neighbors yards but someone to hold them accountable and no one here does.

 

When the same problems exist over multiple years and show little to no improvement, it's on the coaches not the players.

[8bucks]

Folks, Crean doesn't shoot. He doesn't pass. He doesn't dribble and he doesn't play defense. He doesn't execute on the floor....his players do (or don't). Williams, Blackmon and Ferrell especially are selfish, lazy and far from leaders. Remember Bracey Wright? He wears #11 this year. I love to see people criticizing Crean...you'd wet yourselves if you were in his position. At some point the players have to be accountable.

True enough but what is Creans role then? He either poorly prepares his guys to perform those functions because they repeat every year or he has really, really bad luck because the players keep losing games for him

[jmviscardi]

Well the coach has seldom held anyone accountable, they screw up time and time again, both on and off the court, and usually nothing happens. We've very seldom seen him sit someone for poor play, Hanner sat 2 games for driving drunk and Troy failed multiple drug tests before he stood in the corner; that's not being held accountable. Is it the players not playing defense or Crean not being good at coaching defense (he's not, at all, and it's inarguable)? Sure they could be held accountable when they decide defense is the thing between neighbors yards but someone to hold them accountable and no one here does.

When the same problems exist over multiple years and show little to no improvement, it's on the coaches not the players.

[WayneFleekHoosier]

Folks, Crean doesn't shoot. He doesn't pass. He doesn't dribble and he doesn't play defense. He doesn't execute on the floor....his players do (or don't). Williams, Blackmon and Ferrell especially are selfish, lazy and far from leaders. Remember Bracey Wright? He wears #11 this year. I love to see people criticizing Crean...you'd wet yourselves if you were in his position. At some point the players have to be accountable.

This argument again? We have watched 7-8 years of Crean coached teams. Same problems and different players. Zeller and Oladipo made Crean look good for 2
Years.

This is Creans team. He recruited them, coached them, instructs them, "benches" them, disciplines them, asks them to leave, recruits more of them. This is his team. His teams have trouble inbounding the ball for 3 years. Players????

Even in our final minutes Walton drew up a better play than Crean on a whim and it's not even his team or personnel. The man has and never has had any feel for the game.

[jmviscardi]

Multiple years? Two MAYBE three years and after they won the big ten. Guy's gotta rebuild and that doesn't happen overnight.

[WayneFleekHoosier]

Multiple years? Two MAYBE three years and after they won the big ten. Guy's gotta rebuild and that doesn't happen overnight.

are you being serious? It does happen overnight for most elite programs. This was supposed to be his year to be good based on the "we are good every 3 years strategy"

College basketball isn't as much about rebuilding as it is reloading nowadays. Those previous 2 years we underperformed relative to our talent.

[BGleas]

The problem isn't even necessarily with the Facebook post itself (though it was bad), it's with the mentality Troy's Mom has in general. That's why the families do matter. Haven't you met a HS coach that couldn't wait for certain skids to graduate because their parents were awful?

Crean was trying to send a message to Troy. How does that message play if the players mom is undermining Crean? Now the player is thinking "I got screwed", instead of "I need to improve". What if that player is now complaining to the other guys that got benched. Now you have a cancer infiltrating your locker room.

It's just a bad deal all the way around. Parents need to support their kids coaches and teaches, not tear them down.

[HoosierTrav]

Multiple years? Two MAYBE three years and after they won the big ten. Guy's gotta rebuild and that doesn't happen overnight.

You're in for major disappointment. Your man is about to get the boot. He had 8 years to right the ship and he's failed miserably. He's always been a mediocre coach, every place he's been. Anecdotal evidence from Assembly Hall to the moon.

[jmviscardi]

are you being serious? It does happen overnight for most elite programs. This was supposed to be his year to be good based on the "we are good every 3 years strategy"

College basketball isn't as much about rebuilding as it is reloading nowadays. Those previous 2 years we underperformed relative to our talent.

[jmviscardi]

If reloading is Kentucky, you can have it.

[HoosierTrav]

If reloading is Kentucky, you can have it.

Kentucky
Duke
Kansas
MSU (not a traditional blueblood)
UNC

Bluebloods who seem to have very little trouble being consistent contenders. Also teams who miraculously seem to avoid having an entire batch of "bad apple" all Americans. Must just be coincidence that he's had the exact same issues in 7/8 seasons. Couldn't reasonably be Crean's system or approach. No way.

[HoosierAloha]

If reloading is Kentucky, you can have it.

 

MSU, Wisconsin, UM, O$U, and now Maryland are all in better shape now while having more success the last 4 years.  They've also had less talent and spent less money.  If we're happy with a middle of the pack program while spending more than those programs we've got our guy.  I'm not satisfied with the results and don't believe it's acceptable at IU.

[JSHoosier]

Multiple years? Two MAYBE three years and after they won the big ten. Guy's gotta rebuild and that doesn't happen overnight.

Yeah, he's rebuilding again. In year 8. At this point we should be expecting the NCAAs minimum every season, we should be winning consistently. Not making excuses like these and humiliating ourselves like we just did.

[Alford Bailey]

Folks, Crean doesn't shoot. He doesn't pass. He doesn't dribble and he doesn't play defense. He doesn't execute on the floor....his players do (or don't). Williams, Blackmon and Ferrell especially are selfish, lazy and far from leaders. Remember Bracey Wright? He wears #11 this year. I love to see people criticizing Crean...you'd wet yourselves if you were in his position. At some point the players have to be accountable.

He doesn't teach it either.

[Dalton26]

Folks, Crean doesn't shoot. He doesn't pass. He doesn't dribble and he doesn't play defense. He doesn't execute on the floor....his players do (or don't). Williams, Blackmon and Ferrell especially are selfish, lazy and far from leaders. Remember Bracey Wright? He wears #11 this year. I love to see people criticizing Crean...you'd wet yourselves if you were in his position. At some point the players have to be accountable.

You forgot to mention he doesn't coach either.

[CrossboneIU22]

Folks, Crean doesn't shoot. He doesn't pass. He doesn't dribble and he doesn't play defense. He doesn't execute on the floor....his players do (or don't). Williams, Blackmon and Ferrell especially are selfish, lazy and far from leaders. Remember Bracey Wright? He wears #11 this year. I love to see people criticizing Crean...you'd wet yourselves if you were in his position. At some point the players have to be accountable.

No he doesn't do those things but he is responsible for teaching those things to his players and devising a game plan to best counteract the other team. So if the players are not taking care of the ball with good passes, good shots and not running an effective offense or defense than its because they aren't being taught or coached to do so.

[JSHoosier]

No he doesn't do those things but he is responsible for teaching those things to his players and devising a game plan to best counteract the other team. So if the players are not taking care of the ball with good passes, good shots and not running an effective offense or defense than its because they aren't being taught or coached to do so.

Nope, the same mistakes over and over year after year have nothing to do with coaching.  It also has nothing to do with coaching that Crean's average defense ranks around 95th.  He's just incredibly unlucky.

 

When players don't take care of the ball or play defense they're also supposed to pull themselves from the game.  That's not part of coaching either.

[Crimson and Cream]

You forgot to mention he doesn't coach either.

Beautiful

[AZ Hoosier]

Patty Williams is batshirt crazy.

 

Uncle Boo needs to explain a few things to her and talk her off the ledge.

[AZ Hoosier]

There's nothing you can do and there's nothing I would propose doing, but I'll bet that JD Campbell **** his pants when he saw that pop up yesterday. It just reflects *so* badly on the program when a parent (especially one who already has somewhat of a following from going off before) puts something like this out there. I wouldn't say it went "viral" or anything, but it was definitely picked up a little bit and spread around and there is just no positive that comes from it.

 

Say what you want about how much it matters (or not) that this stuff is out there, but it was the subject of discussion on the BigTen Network pregame show before the UNLV game. It gets press, it gets talked about, and it goes "viral" in the worst possible way - recruits and families of recruits read/hear/watch it.

 

And while nothing negative may result from her tirade, I can promise that nothing positive will come from this. IMO, it's just more of the overall negativity seen from the mediocrity that is the IU basketball program under this coach.