(2016) SG Grant Gelon commits to IU

[Old Friend 8,389]

"Absolutely no bearing"...come on, I agree with "fit" on a team but if he was a player he would have done well at the cuse, IU or any other power conference school.
Also not sure why, but not surprised, you responded by calling this a "cheap shot".

Had nothing to do with you.  Don't worry about it.   And the "but not surprised" is also a cheap shot.   The personal attacks are just not necessary, no matter how subtle.  What's the point?

[ccgeneral 38,084]

Gelon with 2 3s is about all I seen.

 

‏@CPBulldogHoops: Crown Point loses tonight on the road at Valparaiso, 66-53. The Bulldogs (12-8, 4-2) take on Lake Central next Friday.

[X-Hoosier 529]

Noticed he dropped about 10 spots on 247. Outside the Top 300 now. Better be a real plan with this kid.

[Naturalhoosier 15,417]

He won't pay instant dividends but I'm willing to bet that we'll be thankful he's on our side come his red-shirt Jr and Sr years.

[Walking Boot of Doom 18,170]

Wasn't Hartman in that 275 range?

[HoosierAloha 30,057]

Wasn't Hartman in that 275 range?

228 according to 247 sports.

[X-Hoosier 529]

He won't pay instant dividends but I'm willing to bet that we'll be thankful he's on our side come his red-shirt Jr and Sr years.

Crean doesn't redshirt. We shouldn't be wanting kids that might develop after 4 years.

[Naturalhoosier 15,417]

Crean doesn't redshirt. We shouldn't be wanting kids that might develop after 4 years.

Wait, seriously?  So all one and dones and two and dones? 

 

Speak for yourself.  I like my players to develop and not jump to the League. 

[MartintheMopMan 7,765]

Crean's relationships with in state coaches is already awful. I'm not the only one who doesn't like his focus on east coast kids. Hollowell didn't make it at Indiana. Remy Abell didn't (from just across the river). Devin Davis didn't. Gelon wouldn't be the first. Crean wears people out, he talks about himself a lot, he uses Dwayne Wade every chance he can, and high school coaches know he's a churn and burn guy who doesn't necessarily want 4 year players. Gelon was a surprise to me because there's no way he's a "help right now" kid, which showed me (or at least I wanted it to show me) Crean might be changing his ways a bit; but Gelon will not do much if any more damage with local coaches than has already been done.

I know this is three weeks old, but I think you have cause and effect backwards. Crean focuses on East Coast kids in part because he has awful relationships with in-state coaches.

[Jam 278]

Red shirting makes no sense in the 13 scholarship limit era. Doesn't seem to be much value in investing 5 years for a player not ready to play. If they do develop positively, they often go pro or transfer.

[X-Hoosier 529]

Wait, seriously? So all one and dones and two and dones?

Speak for yourself. I like my players to develop and not jump to the League.

I didn't say just one and dones. But they should be able to contribute a little as freshman and more as sophomores. Whether they come back as Juniors is their decision. Grant Gelons and Tim Prillers won't win you any titles.

[MartintheMopMan 7,765]

Red shirting makes no sense in the 13 scholarship limit era. Doesn't seem to be much value in investing 5 years for a player not ready to play. If they do develop positively, they often go pro or transfer.

The relaxed Grad Transfer rules have a big effect too. Why develop the player and take a scholarship when someone else can develop them for you?

[Old Friend 8,389]

I know this is three weeks old, but I think you have cause and effect backwards. Crean focuses on East Coast kids in part because he has awful relationships with in-state coaches.

Perhaps.  I don't claim to know reasons behind things, but I will never understand why we go to New York to get a 3* kid early in a recruiting period.    I don't understand Tim Priller, Peter Jurkin, Stanford Robinson, Guy-Marc Michele, Emmit Holt, or any other off the radar kid from some other geographic area.   The way I see it, the lower part of your roster should be filled with glue guys.  Guys who understand the culture and the "why."  I may be the only guy on this site who thinks the way I do, and I'm cool with that.   Gelon may be a bottom of the roster guy, and he's damned sure not on the 2016-17 roster to help us win a title.  If he ends up being Matt Roth, he can help later in his career.  I am far more okay with Gelon than I am with Priller or Robinson.  

 

I think any coach at this level needs to be able to promise the top of his roster playing time, and I suppose for immediate impact kids, I'm willing to expand my thinking a bit.  I used to be "5* kids only from out of area."   Might not be realistic.  But at Indiana - and Indiana is unique, I think we need enough kids who understand exactly where they are.  I think we've had too many who didn't.   If that means the bottom of the roster is filled with Indiana kids who may or may not have any kind of impact for a couple of years, that's what it means.  And I know one thing for sure....OG Annunoby and Juwon Morgan know where they are.

[Hovadipo 55,453]

I don't understand Tim Priller, Peter Jurkin, Stanford Robinson, Guy-Marc Michele, Emmit Holt

One of these (rhymes with Lemmit Bolt) is definitely not like the others. Too bad he had a horrible case of the "wrong place at the wrong times".

[WayneFleekHoosier 48,153]

Normally I side with much of what Old Friend says. Not so much this time. Robinson as a junior was a high rated recruit. Many wanted him. His game slipped and he seemed to have many other interests than basketball.

We need talented, skilled players that want to WIN first. From anywhere geographically but a true desire to win. We need 10-11 like this. We can have 2-3 energy, scholastic, glue type guys.

Priller isn't skilled enough, or athletic enough. Robinson was a miss on attitude and shooting. Holt was fine for an under the radar guy on the court. Hollowell, an off the court miss from Indiana. Buss an off the court miss from Indiana. DDavis an off the court miss from Indiana.

We need top notch skill guys with a team first mentality. Gelon may turn into a player/shooter for us, but he isn't having a stellar year.

I personally think all 13 players should be players that can contribute. But if egos can't be controlled I am okay with taking 10 players and 3 student athletes.

[MikeRoberts 6,965]

Wait, seriously? So all one and dones and two and dones?

Speak for yourself. I like my players to develop and not jump to the League.

not my statement but as others have pointed out, Crean doesn't use the redshirt so the point is moot. However, I also agree that in Crean's system/way he manages rosters, if one doesn't contribute at all by the end if his sophomore year he is a dead man walking

[Uspshoosier 45,502]

I didn't say just one and dones. But they should be able to contribute a little as freshman and more as sophomores. Whether they come back as Juniors is their decision. Grant Gelons and Tim Prillers won't win you any titles.

frank kaminsksi didn't contribute his freshman or sophomore year and he turned out to be a pretty good 4 year player

[Jam 278]

Nobody was commenting on 4 year players. Yogi has been great. We were commenting on 5 year red shirts.

[JaybobHoosier 11,839]

Hey guys, let's get this thread back on topic.  Let's start a recruit debate thread in this forum if you want, but not in this thread.  Thanks, and please don't make me ask again :)

[Jam 278]

Sorry, thought the discussion was about red shirting Gelon.