(2016) SG Grant Gelon commits to IU

[Kepner]

Anybody have footage of the Top 80 camp?

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfltBvLhZwY

 

[Old Friend]

Sorta' have a feeling when it's all said and done, lots of people will be eating some crow relative to comments about this kid.  He's one of those players that's not necessarily at the center of anyone's radar, but by the time he's done, he'll have won 80+ games, scored close to 1000 points, hit a ton of big shots, and become a fan favorite.   I see lots of Matt Roth in this kid.  If Roth had been able to stay healthy....

[Rookie33]

Pure stroke.

[WayneFleekHoosier]

Beautiful looking shot. Fast release too.

Kris Wilkes.....Yes Please!!!!!!!

[Class of '66 Old Fart]

Sorta' have a feeling when it's all said and done, lots of people will be eating some crow relative to comments about this kid.  He's one of those players that's not necessarily at the center of anyone's radar, but by the time he's done, he'll have won 80+ games, scored close to 1000 points, hit a ton of big shots, and become a fan favorite.   I see lots of Matt Roth in this kid.  If Roth had been able to stay healthy....

And hopefully with stronger defensive abilities.  Matt had a great touch but lacked the quickness on the defensive side.  Still feel bad over how his IU career ended. 

[323SGrant]

That's been my point also. Good shooting is great, but can he put the ball on the floor and also guard somebody, a la Grayson Allen. Did not see that from him last summer.

[HoosierTrav]

Ryan Cline-esque??? Dude is a knockdown shooter.

[biteoftheapple]

Just watched Grant play in a scrimmage tonight against Bishop Noll up here in the region. I'll start out by saying he has one of the prettiest shots I've seen. He took 18 shots, all threes. Hit about 8 or 9 of them, most of them nothing but net. I saw Collin in high school and my friend and I both agreed Grant looked better at this point in their career. He's got a lot to improve on but I think he can make an impact especially late in his career. He's definitely not 6'6 though. More like 6'4.

I do not think anyone questions his shot. The questions are, can he defend the speed he will see in the B1G, can he put the ball on the floor to get his own? Taking 18 shots in a high school scrimmage, all 3s, does not address these concerns.

[Alford Bailey]

He needs to be much better than Roth or Gelon doesn't see the floor much. People forget Roth got minutes for the most part because we didn't have much at that time.

 

Saw Wilkes as a freshman he was pencil thin. Really starting to put some body on now.

[mdn82]

He needs to be much better than Roth or Gelon doesn't see the floor much. People forget Roth got minutes for the most part because we didn't have much at that time.

Saw Wilkes as a freshman he was pencil thin. Really starting to put some body on now.

He played his most meaningful minutes on a ranked team?

[Old Friend]

I do not think anyone questions his shot. The questions are, can he defend the speed he will see in the B1G, can he put the ball on the floor to get his own? Taking 18 shots in a high school scrimmage, all 3s, does not address these concerns.

For the sake of discussion, not comparison :  Jordan Hulls was not a quick or fast kid.   But he knew how to get his body in position....he was a smart player.  Leary couldn't guard a deck chair.  Roth struggled to defend. On other teams, Corey Bradford was only a so-so defender, but made 327 three pointers over 4 years.  Joe Crispin was a bad defender, but managed to make 308 three point shots in his career. Nobody'd confuse Blake Hoffarber with a defensive player, but he made 279.  There is a place for a shooter on any team.   Gelon is a smart basketball player.  You don't have to be quick and speedy if you're smart and understand spacing, help defense, and angles.  I think he does.  All about the game of basketball....not just the sport.

[WayneFleekHoosier]

For the sake of discussion, not comparison : Jordan Hulls was not a quick or fast kid. But he knew how to get his body in position....he was a smart player. Leary couldn't guard a deck chair. Roth struggled to defend. On other teams, Corey Bradford was only a so-so defender, but made 327 three pointers over 4 years. Joe Crispin was a bad defender, but managed to make 308 three point shots in his career. Nobody'd confuse Blake Hoffarber with a defensive player, but he made 279. There is a place for a shooter on any team. Gelon is a smart basketball player. You don't have to be quick and speedy if you're smart and understand spacing, help defense, and angles. I think he does. All about the game of basketball....not just the sport.

agree with this. Hulls lack of height combined with lack of athleticism hurt us in some match ups. I can't judge Gelon's athleticism but his height will help us as a "shooter" who at minimum has length.

I think back to Coverdale. Short in height, moderate in athleticism but a pure bulldog. There are more than one way to "skin a cat".

[Uspshoosier]

https://twitter.com/bsnowscout/status/672815249981112320 A chance for people around the Indy area to check out Grant at southport gym next Saturday at 1:15. I'm thinking of taking the family and heading there and watching him

[KingPG21]

Sorta' have a feeling when it's all said and done, lots of people will be eating some crow relative to comments about this kid.  He's one of those players that's not necessarily at the center of anyone's radar, but by the time he's done, he'll have won 80+ games, scored close to 1000 points, hit a ton of big shots, and become a fan favorite.   I see lots of Matt Roth in this kid.  If Roth had been able to stay healthy....

... You compared the kid to Sam Dekker a while back.... he isn't going to be anything close to Sam Dekker

[Old Friend]

... You compared the kid to Sam Dekker a while back.... he isn't going to be anything close to Sam Dekker

Show me.  I don't think I did that.  He is not as athletic as Dekker.  Give me context because I think you either mis-quoted or mis-represented what I apparently said.  I don't remember, so I can't deny mentioning Dekker, but he's not the same kind of player, nor is he as big.  So when you paint with a broad "you compared him to _____" brush, please provide context.

 

 

Edit :  As I suspected.  Throughout the thread, I compared him to Leary and maybe Roth.  I made a comment about Dekker.  I did not compare him to Dekker.  I never even came close, and here's the quote :  

 

They (Wisconsin) spent less than 10% what Indiana did on recruiting last season, and less than $65,000 overall.  They win every year with smart players who understand and play within Ryan's system, regardless of where they're ranked; and they know what they're getting when they walk on campus.  As a freshman, Kaminsky was not a very strong Big Ten player.  Same with Dekker.  He could shoot, but that was about all.   Wisconsin's formula is proven and consistent.  Anyone is free to mock it or predict the comparison.   Doesn't make it wrong

 

I did not compare Gelon to Dekker.  I merely used Dekker as a reference to freshmen, and that it's stupid to gauge a kid's career by what he does as a freshman.   I don't know why so many people have to create arguments in order to make points against them, but context is pretty important to credibility.  Just sayin'.

[KingPG21]

Again....why does it matter where he was ranked?   This is a paper battle you're trying to win.  Dekker did nothing more on the floor his freshman season than Grant will do for Indiana.  He was mostly a shooter.  I think he played more than Grant will (much because of Ryan's need for speed on the perimeter defensively), but he took about 7 shots per game, more than half of them from distance.   And, we have no idea yet where Grant will end up in the rankings.   I'm doing something far different than feeding a narrative; but I'll make you a deal.  I'll keep "feeding it" if you keep telling yourself that rankings after a kid's junior season are relevant to outcome when he's in college or to whether or not Indiana will be able to recruit other kids.

Compared them right there bud. 

 

Highlighted quote itself is just way out there on its own. 

[Stuhoo]

Saying neither of two players will do anything their freshman season is not equating them:

 

"Sam Dekker will not be better than LeBron James this season, and neither will Grant Gelon".

[colonel06]

I plan to get over to the Cr. Point Bulldog gym with a round ball buddy and see if I can provide a summary critique on this young man Gelon.

[Old Friend]

Compared them right there bud. 

 

Highlighted quote itself is just way out there on its own. 

You really need to work on a basic understanding of definitions.   The context of this (and I'm wasting my time, I know) matters, and it was someone making a comment about Gelon's impact as a freshman, and I merely used a couple of kids as examples of why you can't judge a kid's career by what he does his freshman year.  About why it's foolish to base a kid's recruitment on what he'll do as a freshman.  Dekker happened to be my example because he was nothing more than a spot shooter his freshman year, but that does nothing to compare him to Gelon as a player.  I certainly never said or even inferred that Gelon would be what Dekker was.

 

Keep trying, though.  I'm sure you will enjoy efforting.  

[Class of '66 Old Fart]

Crown Point defeated Penn 85 - 57.  Gelon had 31 points on 11 of 16 from the field of which 9 of the 11 were 3's.  He also had 5 rebounds.