How is Darian DeVries Doing So Far?

[str8baller]

3 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

He had a top 15 defense last year at West Virginia.  Wild it’s falling to the 60s once he becomes IUs coach 

Probably not a coincidence that Tucker was hurt. 

[skhoosier2]

Just now, str8baller said:

I’ve been screaming for IU to fire coaches early, or opportunistically, since Davis. Never happens. I’d count on 4 years unless something crazy happens

If you listen to the interview with Carr, he says it's going to take a few years to get the roster more balanced to where it needs to be.  So I am guessing that CDD gets at least 3 if not 4 years.  Unless we are keeping Carr around and he's hiring the next coach...

[TheWatShot]

3 hours ago, Shooter said:

I didn't know there was still a waiting list. How long have you been on it?

I'm a season ticket holder, and based on trends this year I bet you get seats next year. A lot more empty seats this season, and resale prices are significantly down from prior years. I thought it was just temporary while football was still going, but it hasn't really changed.

The idea that football was stealing fans from the basketball games was always amusing to me. People are just fed up with the basketball program. It's that simple. 

[str8baller]

9 minutes ago, skhoosier2 said:

If you listen to the interview with Carr, he says it's going to take a few years to get the roster more balanced to where it needs to be.  So I am guessing that CDD gets at least 3 if not 4 years.  Unless we are keeping Carr around and he's hiring the next coach...

I listened and agree with him on balance but they need to hit a homerun this offseason. 
 

With that said, if the back room agreement between Dolson and Carr is something like “we believe in CDD, but if you do a good job and CDD doesn’t, we’re going to let you lead the coaching search a la the NBA” …well, I don’t hate the idea. 
 

( on a separate note, I’m not fully sure how to assess the Carr hire. I like it. Been a Pacer fan since the Reggie days. Maybe deserving of a longer post sometime). 

[Shooter]

9 minutes ago, TheWatShot said:

The idea that football was stealing fans from the basketball games was always amusing to me. People are just fed up with the basketball program. It's that simple. 

I'm not sure why someone would decide to be fed up this season, if they weren't already over the last decade. Year 4, late year 3 of Woodson a much darker place for our program IMO. Same with late in the Archie years.

[schoosier]

With NIL there’s no excuses and the “building years” Tom Crean rhetoric becomes irrelevant. Win now or next man up.

[skhoosier2]

21 minutes ago, str8baller said:

I listened and agree with him on balance but they need to hit a homerun this offseason. 
 

With that said, if the back room agreement between Dolson and Carr is something like “we believe in CDD, but if you do a good job and CDD doesn’t, we’re going to let you lead the coaching search a la the NBA” …well, I don’t hate the idea. 
 

( on a separate note, I’m not fully sure how to assess the Carr hire. I like it. Been a Pacer fan since the Reggie days. Maybe deserving of a longer post sometime). 

Agreed but does Carr really have the time to hit a homerun given the time frame he's coming in AND most importantly can we get players to come to IU given CDD's lack of success this season?  How many players really care about 'bringing IU back to relevance?'  Seems like all the coaches sell that line to recruits.  The younger generation does not care about our dusty banners.  They have not seen us relevant in their lifetime.  Pacer fan since the Reggie days also.  I hope Carr works out regardless of CDD.

I am with you on how to assess the hire and it would be a good topic of discussion for another thread.  Interested to see others views as well.

[skhoosier2]

20 minutes ago, Shooter said:

I'm not sure why someone would decide to be fed up this season, if they weren't already over the last decade. Year 4, late year 3 of Woodson a much darker place for our program IMO. Same with late in the Archie years.

I think fans are so apathetic at this point.  They want to believe we have found the next person to turn this ship around but just like the last 25 years it's apparent even with 10 million we still aren't capable of beating teams consistently and going to the tournament (sorry don't think we win out to get in this season).

Football on the other hand is exciting and something to look forward to.  I think any IUBB fan that loves IU likely just turned their attention to the sport that is worth watching and winning.  I want the basketball program to be good again.  I'd love to look forward to basketball again every season.  Get excited about recruiting and anticipate how far we can go in the tournament.  Hopefully before I'm dead, I'll see that again...

[schoosier]

4 hours ago, Shooter said:

I didn't know there was still a waiting list. How long have you been on it?

I'm a season ticket holder, and based on trends this year I bet you get seats next year. A lot more empty seats this season, and resale prices are significantly down from prior years. I thought it was just temporary while football was still going, but it hasn't really changed.

Last year we got row 1 up from floor seating against Maryland for cheap. Awesome seats right behind Trent Green but in pure Woody fashion we blew a 5 point lead with less than a minute to play. 

[southsidehoosier]

3 hours ago, skhoosier2 said:

It was obvious we swung for the fences and missed.  We had to take who would come.  We need an up and coming coach. Someone young and hungry that CAN coach, can make adjustments, and has the charisma to coach at IU.  DeVries will get a few more years.  But so far unimpressed from staff and roster construction to coaching.  His press conferences leave me feeling he is in over his head. I want to be wrong and see him succeed if for nothing else that we don't have to go through Brad watch again in 2 years but I suspect we will all be falling for the Brad talk once again when CDD gets the boot.

We’ve all obviously moved on to Dusty watch now lol

[IUCrazy2]

2 hours ago, Shooter said:

I'm not sure why someone would decide to be fed up this season, if they weren't already over the last decade. Year 4, late year 3 of Woodson a much darker place for our program IMO. Same with late in the Archie years.

So I will ring in here, I think it was fed up after Woodson and at a certain point, you could tell this team just isn't built to do the "it" we want it to.  They are about at their ceiling right now which is to squeak into the tournament and probably be one and done.  They are still in a position to do that but honestly you kind of look around at the programs in our area and after just seeing a national title run in football and sitting around watching 19-12, 8 minute scoring drought, can't defend very well basketball just isn't that exciting. 

We have been "rebuilding" for 10 years and frankly the program is just stale.  The crowd was stale. The play was stale. There is just no juice, like it doesn't even really excite or bother me too much while watching the games anymore.  I was all in on the football team during the CFP run and when I contrast it to this it is the difference between being invested and watching out of habit and nothing better to do.

And when the bulk of the team is going to be gone next year, you aren't even watching for the future.  The argument we have heard the past 10 years is that the fan base has held the program back with our negativity and we all just need to shut up and go away for awhile until they get things cooking again.  They are getting their wish.  Twitter was about as docile after a disaster like last night as I have ever seen out of the fanbase and that wasn't because of understanding, it is apathy.

[Stuhoo]

17 minutes ago, IUCrazy2 said:

So I will ring in here, I think it was fed up after Woodson and at a certain point, you could tell this team just isn't built to do the "it" we want it to.  They are about at their ceiling right now which is to squeak into the tournament and probably be one and done.  They are still in a position to do that but honestly you kind of look around at the programs in our area and after just seeing a national title run in football and sitting around watching 19-12, 8 minute scoring drought, can't defend very well basketball just isn't that exciting. 

We have been "rebuilding" for 10 years and frankly the program is just stale.  The crowd was stale. The play was stale. There is just no juice, like it doesn't even really excite or bother me too much while watching the games anymore.  I was all in on the football team during the CFP run and when I contrast it to this it is the difference between being invested and watching out of habit and nothing better to do.

And when the bulk of the team is going to be gone next year, you aren't even watching for the future.  The argument we have heard the past 10 years is that the fan base has held the program back with our negativity and we all just need to shut up and go away for awhile until they get things cooking again.  They are getting their wish.  Twitter was about as docile after a disaster like last night as I have ever seen out of the fanbase and that wasn't because of understanding, it is apathy.

Great post.

Your post highlights why in part, so many of us are screaming to see more of Sisley. He's a mistake-prone freshman, but he's our only glimpse of the future on a team that isn't going anywhere.

[skhoosier2]

13 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

Great post.

Your post highlights why in part, so many of us are screaming to see more of Sisley. He's a mistake-prone freshman, but he's our only glimpse of the future on a team that isn't going anywhere.

Agreed.  Could not understand at all why he didn't see the floor during the Purdue blowout.  The question was asked at the press conference, and the answer just didn't make any sense.  Some rumblings on twitter that they hope he's not leaving.  I hope that's not the case.  He will be a B1G contributor in the upcoming years...

[WayneFleekHoosier]

Simple answer is not good.  He knows it and everyone knows it.  I can’t get over the fact of how his offseason went and what he built.  It wasn’t good enough then and it’s not good enough now.  Internally these guys thought they were a top 10 team.  And that’s where my concern lies. I knew. You had to know.  Not knowing is a window into the cluelessness that’s guiding the multimillion dollar program.  The choices were questionable as they were occurring.  When you build to just make the tourney vs build to compete to win conferences, when you fall short the consequences are more dire. 
 

It’s a start over from scratch situation.  Other schools are way ahead of us, and this season didn’t help to catapult us from a recruiting perspective.  
 

And the coaching and the stuff we run??  It’s ok. It comes and goes.  Some good stuff in there but some other questionable things that aren’t all personel related. 

[Uspshoosier]

23 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Internally these guys thought they were a top 10 team

You got a link where he said they thought they were going to be a top 10 team other then players saying we feel we are a top 10 team and can compete with anyone in the country which I hear every non top 10 team players say after a win. 

[HinnyHoosier]

50 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

It’s a start over from scratch situation.  Other schools are way ahead of us, and this season didn’t help to catapult us from a recruiting perspective.  

That's what this season was/is. 

People either act like he had endless opportunities for top players and coaches, or like he walked into something that wasn't left burning in a dumpster. 

The sucky reality is this wasn't going to be an excellent season nor was it going to be a one year recovery from the Archie Miller-Mike Woodson decade of crap. 

[skhoosier2]

33 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Simple answer is not good.  He knows it and everyone knows it.  I can’t get over the fact of how his offseason went and what he built.  It wasn’t good enough then and it’s not good enough now.  Internally these guys thought they were a top 10 team.  And that’s where my concern lies. I knew. You had to know.  Not knowing is a window into the cluelessness that’s guiding the multimillion dollar program.  The choices were questionable as they were occurring.  When you build to just make the tourney vs build to compete to win conferences, when you fall short the consequences are more dire. 
 

It’s a start over from scratch situation.  Other schools are way ahead of us, and this season didn’t help to catapult us from a recruiting perspective.  
 

And the coaching and the stuff we run??  It’s ok. It comes and goes.  Some good stuff in there but some other questionable things that aren’t all personel related. 

Idk enough about CDD past teams but I feel like when he was building this roster others said he doesn’t get many bigs because he really wants his offense to be predicated on 3 point shooting so the bigs aren’t true bigs or rim protectors. Shooters not bangers. Now we all knew Woody only recruited bigs so it was going to be a change but not getting much to compete in the B1G…was a little baffling. I do think he went after talent he just wasn’t going to get. Maybe that’s where Carr comes in to help. Wilkerson certainly is talented enough the rest are questionable at times. I have to wonder if he knew enough about the B1G to construct this roster?  I guess maybe he assumed Tucker would be better than he has been? I honestly don’t know the answer. I felt like he really got whatever was left that he could afford to pay given what I’m sure we paid Tucker, Lamar, and Bailey. 
Carr is here in some form or fashion to take the heat off of CDD and IMO take the lead with roster construction. Has to be better moving forward for sure. 

[Uspshoosier]

16 minutes ago, skhoosier2 said:

Idk enough about CDD past teams but I feel like when he was building this roster others said he doesn’t get many bigs because he really wants his offense to be predicated on 3 point shooting so the bigs aren’t true bigs

He has had some bangers in his old teams.   Darnell Brodie was his Big a couple years ago when they had their best team.  He was 6-10 275 and didn’t shoot 3s 

[Hoosier987]

3 hours ago, IUCrazy2 said:

So I will ring in here, I think it was fed up after Woodson and at a certain point, you could tell this team just isn't built to do the "it" we want it to.  They are about at their ceiling right now which is to squeak into the tournament and probably be one and done.  They are still in a position to do that but honestly you kind of look around at the programs in our area and after just seeing a national title run in football and sitting around watching 19-12, 8 minute scoring drought, can't defend very well basketball just isn't that exciting. 

We have been "rebuilding" for 10 years and frankly the program is just stale.  The crowd was stale. The play was stale. There is just no juice, like it doesn't even really excite or bother me too much while watching the games anymore.  I was all in on the football team during the CFP run and when I contrast it to this it is the difference between being invested and watching out of habit and nothing better to do.

And when the bulk of the team is going to be gone next year, you aren't even watching for the future.  The argument we have heard the past 10 years is that the fan base has held the program back with our negativity and we all just need to shut up and go away for awhile until they get things cooking again.  They are getting their wish.  Twitter was about as docile after a disaster like last night as I have ever seen out of the fanbase and that wasn't because of understanding, it is apathy.

10 years? More like 25 years. There’s legit been only 3 seasons (02-03, 07-08, ‘12-13) in this timeframe where we had a legit team that could make a run to the Final Four (of course ‘02 being the only one). Our program had 2 hall of fame coaches this century and fired both….one of which who is still coaching and has his team in the top 10 every year. It’s a wonder why we’ve sucked for so long. 

[Alford Bailey]

I think Carr was a significant hire.  Don’t think he comes here without a commitment from Dolson to do what it takes. Including moving on from a coach sooner rather than later.