IUBB vs Iowa - Saturday, 01.17.26 @ 2:00 on Fox TV

[ronzo4IU]

1 minute ago, Uspshoosier said:

DeVries 3 assistants at WV

1. Chester Frazier and Illinois grad who back in the day got into it with Eric Gordon when Gordon came back to play at Illinois. 0 chance he was coming to IU and Hansberry was going to follow him where ever 

2. Kory Barnett an IU grad that got the head coaching job at Oral Roberts   Head coaching opportunity is a better opportunity then being an assistant

3.  Tom Ostram    Ex IU assistant that already got fired from coaching at IU 

I get it really sucks IU is in this position however it’s not like McCollum has been lighting the world on fire at Iowa.   Until today he was 2-4 in conference with 0 rod wins and 0 wins against tourney quality teams.   After today he is 3-4 in the league and it’s debatable if he has a tourney quality win yet.   He clearly was the better coach today but until today his season was the same as DeVries.   

I can buy that.  Iowa may have looked really good today because IU is just that bad.  

They do look like a team that is picking up steam though..we’ll see.

[reconmkd]

5 hours ago, realTomCrean said:

Enright’s brother agrees with Reneau it the fans fault we stink 

These tweets and the others that are out the blaming the fanbase for IUs struggles over the last 2 decades is softer than Charmin! Where do these people and players think the money comes from? It comes from the Fans, you knuckleheads (in Barkley’s voice)! It comes from the donors, season ticket holders, the dad buying IU merch for his children, and people on this board! So excuse the H3LL out of us for expecting positive results or effort out of the players that “Our” money is funding! 
 

Notice how the “Positive” results of IUFB caused a sea of red in Pasadena and Atlanta! If IUBB wants similar support, put forth the same effort that the football team does. I guarantee that “pressure” will lessen if you do.
 

Today was probably one of the biggest 180s of crowd support I have heard in the Hall. Crowd was 100% behind the team on the run in the first half, second half maybe 10%. Like I said in an earlier post, the guys next to me (season tix holders, traveled to Pasadena) left at halftime saying they had seen enough. I left a few minutes after the second run that got within 4 flopped. Then to hear comments from the coach about fatigue! Holy s**t I thought the hump was a bad excuse!

[Hoosierfan2017]

1 hour ago, Uspshoosier said:

DeVries 3 assistants at WV

1. Chester Frazier and Illinois grad who back in the day got into it with Eric Gordon when Gordon came back to play at Illinois. 0 chance he was coming to IU and Hansberry was going to follow him where ever 

2. Kory Barnett an IU grad that got the head coaching job at Oral Roberts   Head coaching opportunity is a better opportunity then being an assistant

3.  Tom Ostram    Ex IU assistant that already got fired from coaching at IU 

I get it really sucks IU is in this position however it’s not like McCollum has been lighting the world on fire at Iowa.   Until today he was 2-4 in conference with 0 road wins and 0 wins against tourney quality teams.   After today he is 3-4 in the league with his first road win and it’s debatable if he has a tourney quality win yet.   He clearly was the better coach today but until today his season was the same as DeVries.   

McCollum struggling this year and then his mediocre Iowa team coming into Assembly Hall and belting IU doesn’t really alleviate concerns..

Fan appetite for a rebuild is at zero. IUBB has stunk for a decade. Cignetti took over the worst P4 football team in the country, made the playoff his first year, and then he made the national title game his second year. But iubb fans have been told we need to be patient for 3-4 years so the coach can get things rolling (which never happens). 

[Hoosierfan2017]

5 hours ago, str8baller said:

Woodson wouldn’t have recruited these guys. He’d have laughed and lit another cigar if you showed him baileys tape.  
 

Devries had deep pockets and this is what his eye for talent got us. He’s somehow better than Woody who saw Ware as an NBA talent and was right? Woody can’t coach but c’mon…

Devries watched Enright every day for two years and thought he was a big ten caliber starting point guard.. that speaks volumes about his eye for talent.

[WayneFleekHoosier]

8 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Devries watched Enright every day for two years and thought he was a big ten caliber starting point guard.. that speaks volumes about his eye for talent.

I was ridiculed for this observation in the offseason. 

[Uspshoosier]

17 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

McCollum struggling this year and then his mediocre Iowa team coming into Assembly Hall and belting IU doesn’t really alleviate concerns..

I never said it did I just answered a question.   IU is a middle of the pack B1G program in basketball until they are not.   DeVries will either figure it out or he won’t.   If he figures it out then awesome and if he doesn’t then hopefully the next hire will.   

[Rico]

[IUHoosierJoe]

10 hours ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

McCollum struggling this year and then his mediocre Iowa team coming into Assembly Hall and belting IU doesn’t really alleviate concerns..

Fan appetite for a rebuild is at zero. IUBB has stunk for a decade. Cignetti took over the worst P4 football team in the country, made the playoff his first year, and then he made the national title game his second year. But iubb fans have been told we need to be patient for 3-4 years so the coach can get things rolling (which never happens). 

If fan appetite for a rebuild is zero, maybe it’s time for some fans to walk away. I get the frustration and disappointment. This program, with the exception of maybe 5 seasons, has accomplished nothing since 1992. We all know that. The program has been mismanaged for the better part of 34 years.
 

So, with that reality in place, why would anyone expect a coach to come in, having to replace an entire 13-man roster, and people think he is going to snap his fingers and collect enough talent in one portal haul to be a national contender in Year 1? It makes zero sense. And that is why this fan base is ridiculed nation-wide. That’s why Malik Reneau tweeted what he tweeted.

Yes, Curt Cignetti did it here. And now every dumb fan base in America—including ours, apparently—thinks every coach they hire should be able to do it, because Cignetti, I guess, is really nothing special.

Reality isn’t going to change just because some folks don’t like it. So, there’s going to be a rebuild, whether there’s an appetite for it or not, no matter who you hire. 

[WayneFleekHoosier]

6 minutes ago, IUHoosierJoe said:

If fan appetite for a rebuild is zero, maybe it’s time for some fans to walk away. I get the frustration and disappointment. This program, with the exception of maybe 5 seasons, has accomplished nothing since 1992. We all know that. The program has been mismanaged for the better part of 34 years.
 

So, with that reality in place, why would anyone expect a coach to come in, having to replace an entire 13-man roster, and people think he is going to snap his fingers and collect enough talent in one portal haul to be a national contender in Year 1. It makes zero sense. And that is why this fan base is ridiculed nation-wide. That’s why Malik Reneau tweeted what he tweeted.

Yes, Curt Cignetti did it here. And now every dumb fan base in America—including ours, apparently—thinks every coach they hire should be able to do it, because Cignetti, I guess, is really nothing special.

Reality isn’t going to change just because some folks don’t like it. So, there’s going to be a rebuild, whether there’s an appetite for it or not, no matter who you hire. 

Because Indiana has resources and its possible to have a “nationally relevant tourney team” in the first year.   Nobody expects a championship contender year one, even the biggest fanatics. 
 

Kentucky, Michigan, Louisville as examples of it last year.  
 

Iowa with far fewer resources is doing better than us with the exact starting scenario.  
 

Plus, we aren’t rebuilding.  They built a roster to win this year.  6 of the 8 guys who play aren’t returning.  That’s not how you rebuild if that’s the plan.  
 

With Nil every year gives you a chance. Finding a retaining effective players betters your future odds of success.  We aren’t doing any of that.  
 

Under this premise, next year can be completely different and possibly successful but we are way behind the 8 ball by trying to win now with a Senior laden roster and then not winning.  
 

Really bad.  The best hope is we can have a “Woodson-eque” late season surge where we sneak into the tournament or just miss and can benefit from those vibes.

But the reality is, we need to spend our money much better.  And hopefully get more to spend. 

[IUCrazy2]

18 minutes ago, IUHoosierJoe said:

If fan appetite for a rebuild is zero, maybe it’s time for some fans to walk away. I get the frustration and disappointment. This program, with the exception of maybe 5 seasons, has accomplished nothing since 1992. We all know that. The program has been mismanaged for the better part of 34 years.
 

So, with that reality in place, why would anyone expect a coach to come in, having to replace an entire 13-man roster, and people think he is going to snap his fingers and collect enough talent in one portal haul to be a national contender in Year 1? It makes zero sense. And that is why this fan base is ridiculed nation-wide. That’s why Malik Reneau tweeted what he tweeted.

Yes, Curt Cignetti did it here. And now every dumb fan base in America—including ours, apparently—thinks every coach they hire should be able to do it, because Cignetti, I guess, is really nothing special.

Reality isn’t going to change just because some folks don’t like it. So, there’s going to be a rebuild, whether there’s an appetite for it or not, no matter who you hire. 

I think what annoys fans is seeing guys that we had an opportunity to hire go to other programs and do a pretty quick turn around while we sit on our @$$ and keep getting the same results.

Woodson should have been fired a year before he was.  Miller should have been let go after year two.  I don't think this hire is going to matter much until/unless he gets it going.  The whole program is stale right now.  It feels like it is stuck in molasses. In my 47 years I have never seen Assembly Hall as dead as it has been this year.  That includes seasons where the program imploded and we won 8 games.  To start out a tenure like that is troubling.  

This program is back to square one in all reality.  Everything that used to make it special has finally disappeared.  The fan support was the last bit of life support it had, that appears to be gone at the moment.  It will have to be earmed back as if this was just any other Big Ten program.  The way the school destroyed its top product over 25 years could be a study in mismanagement.

[IUHoosierJoe]

7 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Because Indiana has resources and its possible to have a “nationally relevant tourney team” in the first year.   Nobody expects a championship contender year one, even the biggest fanatics. 
 

Kentucky, Michigan, Louisville as examples of it last year.  
 

Iowa with far fewer resources is doing better than us with the exact starting scenario.  
 

Plus, we aren’t rebuilding.  They built a roster to win this year.  6 of the 8 guys who play aren’t returning.  That’s not how you rebuild if that’s the plan.  
 

With Nil every year gives you a chance. Finding a retaining effective players betters your future odds of success.  We aren’t doing any of that.  
 

Under this premise, next year can be completely different and possibly successful but we are way behind the 8 ball by trying to win now with a Senior laden roster and then not winning.  
 

Really bad.  The best hope is we can have a “Woodson-eque” late season surge where we sneak into the tournament or just miss and can benefit from those vibes.

But the reality is, we need to spend our money much better.  And hopefully get more to spend. 

You make some assumptions, with regard to resources and NIL for example, with no evidence to back it up. I suspect that has led to the inflated expectations that have you so disappointed.

Consider this: my son is a sophomore at IU. He has 1 NCAA Tournament win by IU in his entire memory bank. So comparing us to schools like Kentucky, Louisville, and Michigan—for kids who are choosing where to play basketball right now, those comparisons are laughable.

Reality makes you a happier, smarter person in the long run.

[BGleas]

8 minutes ago, IUCrazy2 said:

I think what annoys fans is seeing guys that we had an opportunity to hire go to other programs and do a pretty quick turn around while we sit on our @$$ and keep getting the same results.

Woodson should have been fired a year before he was.  Miller should have been let go after year two.  I don't think this hire is going to matter much until/unless he gets it going.  The whole program is stale right now.  It feels like it is stuck in molasses. In my 47 years I have never seen Assembly Hall as dead as it has been this year.  That includes seasons where the program imploded and we won 8 games.  To start out a tenure like that is troubling.  

This program is back to square one in all reality.  Everything that used to make it special has finally disappeared.  The fan support was the last bit of life support it had, that appears to be gone at the moment.  It will have to be earmed back as if this was just any other Big Ten program.  The way the school destroyed its top product over 25 years could be a study in mismanagement.

The bold is largely where my concern lies. I like DeVries for the most part and IMO he's definitely an upgrade from a coaching perspective compared to the last two coaches. 

But, we're right back in this position in 3 months. We have to recruit an entirely new team in 3 months. 

I'd feel a bit different if we had say Conorway, Wilkerson and maybe Alexis back along with Sisley. 

Then you go hit the portal hard for 3-4 legit, power 5 pieces to go with them, including a legit starting 5 that would make Alexis the backup, etc. 

We'd have a core to build around. 

But right now, I just see very little path to making next season markedly better than this season. 

I just don't see how this gets much better next season. 

[Uspshoosier]

4 minutes ago, BGleas said:

But right now, I just see very little path to making next season markedly better than this season. 

I just don't see how this gets much better next season

In today’s landscape teams will have to re recruit their own players every year.   As a program you could plan for bringing back your core players but nowadays you never know.  Very few Sisleys out there that are loyal.  I’m hoping he is.  I don’t know the answer or how to navigate around it but most coaches will have to deal with it.   New team every year.    It’s not just happening mediocre programs and teams.    Baylor thought they had some nice pieces back this year from a tourney team and a team that has been extremely successful over the last 6 years and this year they lost Wright to Baylor when Drew expected him back.  Baylor had 0 returning players  

Wild times.  I guess what I’m saying is nowadays you can plan all day on bringing core players back to build your program but that’s not a guarantee anymore 

[IUHoosierJoe]

24 minutes ago, IUCrazy2 said:

I think what annoys fans is seeing guys that we had an opportunity to hire go to other programs and do a pretty quick turn around while we sit on our @$$ and keep getting the same results.

Woodson should have been fired a year before he was.  Miller should have been let go after year two.  I don't think this hire is going to matter much until/unless he gets it going.  The whole program is stale right now.  It feels like it is stuck in molasses. In my 47 years I have never seen Assembly Hall as dead as it has been this year.  That includes seasons where the program imploded and we won 8 games.  To start out a tenure like that is troubling.  

This program is back to square one in all reality.  Everything that used to make it special has finally disappeared.  The fan support was the last bit of life support it had, that appears to be gone at the moment.  It will have to be earmed back as if this was just any other Big Ten program.  The way the school destroyed its top product over 25 years could be a study in mismanagement.

I get it. The program has been mismanaged. There's a lot of things that should have happened that didn't happen. But we can't go back and change it, and these current players and coaches had nothing to do with it. Punishing them for it now just sets us up for more failure down the road.

[Stuhoo]

3 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

In today’s landscape teams will have to re recruit their own players every year.   As a program you could plan for bringing back your core players but nowadays you never know.  Very few Sisleys out there that are loyal.  I’m hoping he is.  I don’t know the answer or how to navigate around it but most coaches will have to deal with it.   New team every year.    It’s not just happening mediocre programs and teams.    Baylor thought they had some nice pieces back this year from a tourney team and a team that has been extremely successful over the last 6 years and this year they lost Wright to Baylor when Drew expected him back.  Baylor had 0 returning players  

Wild times.  I guess what I’m saying is nowadays you can plan all day on bringing core players back to build your program but that’s not a guarantee anymore 

Yup.

Bring back Sisley and (I guess) Dorn.

Add Prince, who has talent and a cut above attitude. Add the one or two skinny long other freshmen.

Rent five or six grown men players.

Hope for the best for one year—next year.

Rinse and repeat every year, until the rules of college sports change.

Have I got it right?

[IUHoosierJoe]

24 minutes ago, BGleas said:

The bold is largely where my concern lies. I like DeVries for the most part and IMO he's definitely an upgrade from a coaching perspective compared to the last two coaches. 

But, we're right back in this position in 3 months. We have to recruit an entirely new team in 3 months. 

I'd feel a bit different if we had say Conorway, Wilkerson and maybe Alexis back along with Sisley. 

Then you go hit the portal hard for 3-4 legit, power 5 pieces to go with them, including a legit starting 5 that would make Alexis the backup, etc. 

We'd have a core to build around. 

But right now, I just see very little path to making next season markedly better than this season. 

I just don't see how this gets much better next season. 

For me, the "I'm pissed because I've already decided we'll suck next year" takes the cake, lol.

[WayneFleekHoosier]

3 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

Yup.

Bring back Sisley and (I guess) Dorn.

Add Prince, who has talent and a cut above attitude. Add the one or two skinny long other freshmen.

Rent five or six grown men players.

Hope for the best for one year—next year.

Rinse and repeat every year, until the rules of college sports change.

Have I got it right?

Pretty much. It’s no different in football. Arguably worse, but it’s fun as heck because we are winning a retaining the pieces we want to retain.  

Year 1 was critical for all the reasons we now realize as a fanbase. 
 

DeVries and Dolson need to get together and come up with a 2 year plan to save his job and the program. Find out what resources are necessary to build a top 20 roster and try hard to attain it. 

[Stuhoo]

1 minute ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Pretty much. It’s no different in football. Arguably worse, but it’s fun as heck because we are winning a retaining the pieces we want to retain.  

Year 1 was critical for all the reasons we now realize as a fanbase. 
 

DeVries and Dolson need to get together and come up with a 2 year plan to save his job and the program. Find out what resources are necessary to build a top 20 roster and try hard to attain it. 

On one hand, it’s not a great summary assessment of the current state of college sports, but on the other hand, interest is sky high and venues are selling out. So maybe it’s just me whining when not much is wrong.

[WayneFleekHoosier]

3 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

On one hand, it’s not a great summary assessment of the current state of college sports, but on the other hand, interest is sky high and venues are selling out. So maybe it’s just me whining when not much is wrong.

It’s the haves and the have nots, just like it’s always been. But bags aren’t being dropped in hotels and family members aren’t getting jobs/cars/houses. The transactions are in the open and you know what you need to compete. 
 

Getting someone who understands roster making, where to spend, when to splurge is part of it.  
 

Then the nuance of actually being a good coach comes into play. 
 

I don’t have a problem with it.  When you area have, it’s fantastic. 

Edited January 18 by WayneFleekHoosier

[Golfman25]

1 hour ago, IUHoosierJoe said:

If fan appetite for a rebuild is zero, maybe it’s time for some fans to walk away. I get the frustration and disappointment. This program, with the exception of maybe 5 seasons, has accomplished nothing since 1992. We all know that. The program has been mismanaged for the better part of 34 years.
 

So, with that reality in place, why would anyone expect a coach to come in, having to replace an entire 13-man roster, and people think he is going to snap his fingers and collect enough talent in one portal haul to be a national contender in Year 1? It makes zero sense. And that is why this fan base is ridiculed nation-wide. That’s why Malik Reneau tweeted what he tweeted.

Yes, Curt Cignetti did it here. And now every dumb fan base in America—including ours, apparently—thinks every coach they hire should be able to do it, because Cignetti, I guess, is really nothing special.

Reality isn’t going to change just because some folks don’t like it. So, there’s going to be a rebuild, whether there’s an appetite for it or not, no matter who you hire. 

First many fans have walked away.  You can see the empty seats. 
 

Second I think you misunderstand what most fans want.  Most fans are fine with a new coach having “growing pains” while starting to rebuild a program.  We aren’t looking for a championship contender in year one.  But we are looking for a path to get there.  So what does that look like?  It starts with a vision articulated to the fans, players, etc.  Then staff — do we have the right assistants to implement that vision?  Then recruits, both HS and portal.  Are we able to sell players on that vision, regardless of money?  Then action on the court - are we living up to that vision.  Are we playing hard.  Playing smart.  
 

Hers’s what we don’t want.  We don’t want to look like a daddy ball rec league team.  
 

Which one do we represent today?