Transfer Portal w/IU Interest

[str8baller]

40 minutes ago, HoosierHoopster said:

No, as USPS pointed out UM has been one of the best teams in the B1G for some time minus the 2 year or so hiccup- it’s apples and oranges between programs. IU will require more time, it is what it is 

They were 8-24 before Dusty took over. That’s a worse spot than any IU coach this century has taken over. 

[BA47591]

23 minutes ago, str8baller said:

They were 8-24 before Dusty took over. That’s a worse spot than any IU coach this century has taken over. 

That's true.  

I think when they hired Jawan and Memphis hired Penny and they initially did well with their loose, player friendly environment, it looked like times had changed and you could have success with that approach. I believe that greased the skids for the Woody move. Neither of the previously mentioned names had hc experience or the connections with people such as World Wide Wes....and others. 

We should all think back to that time and be able to relax a bit right now. 

[Pryght]

2 hours ago, str8baller said:

Torvik or somebody’s entire roster rating is a better judge. And we’re doing well there. But not top 5. 

IU (82.6) is ranked #2 in Torvik's Projective Effective Talent ranking, right behind Duke (89.1).  Projected Effective Talent is Torvik’s way of estimating the overall quality of a roster after accounting for more than just recruiting rankings. It factors in things like transfers, returning production, experience, and expected playing time to project how much talent will actually contribute on the court. A team can have highly ranked recruits, but if they are inexperienced or unlikely to play major roles, their effective talent rating may be lower.

https://barttorvik.com/trankpre.php?sort=tal&conlimit=

Edited May 16 by Pryght

[Uspshoosier]

1 hour ago, HoosierHoopster said:

No, as USPS pointed out UM has been one of the best teams in the B1G for some time minus the 2 year or so hiccup- it’s apples and oranges between programs. IU will require more time, it is what it is 

Wonder what ius numbers look like compared to this 

[ronzo4IU]

2 hours ago, HoosierHoopster said:

No, as USPS pointed out UM has been one of the best teams in the B1G for some time minus the 2 year or so hiccup- it’s apples and oranges between programs. IU will require more time, it is what it is 

That doesn’t equate like it use to in this day of NIL.   Cig showed us that.. not an excuse at an institution like Indiana anymore. 

[ronzo4IU]

28 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

Wonder what ius numbers look like compared to this 

This is interesting to see, but it has no relevance today.  
A coach today with IU resources can either identify and sign the right players or they can’t.  
Many can’t.  
I truly am pulling for DD because I do think he has it in him.  

This is a test of all tests and I hope he evolves and rises to the top.

[8bucks]

2 hours ago, Pryght said:

IU (82.6) is ranked #2 in Torvik's Projective Effective Talent ranking, right behind Duke (89.1).  Projected Effective Talent is Torvik’s way of estimating the overall quality of a roster after accounting for more than just recruiting rankings. It factors in things like transfers, returning production, experience, and expected playing time to project how much talent will actually contribute on the court. A team can have highly ranked recruits, but if they are inexperienced or unlikely to play major roles, their effective talent rating may be lower.

https://barttorvik.com/trankpre.php?sort=tal&conlimit=

How did his index for this year play out?  Was he on to something and can we have some reason for a better season 

[str8baller]

9 hours ago, Pryght said:

IU (82.6) is ranked #2 in Torvik's Projective Effective Talent ranking, right behind Duke (89.1).  Projected Effective Talent is Torvik’s way of estimating the overall quality of a roster after accounting for more than just recruiting rankings. It factors in things like transfers, returning production, experience, and expected playing time to project how much talent will actually contribute on the court. A team can have highly ranked recruits, but if they are inexperienced or unlikely to play major roles, their effective talent rating may be lower.

https://barttorvik.com/trankpre.php?sort=tal&conlimit=

I stand corrected. I might be thinking of some Kenpom numbers or something else someone posted. 
 

I generally find Torviks site pretty useful. Does anyone think we’ll have the 2nd most talented roster next year? Top 5? 

[Dave from Dayton]

10 minutes ago, str8baller said:

I stand corrected. I might be thinking of some Kenpom numbers or something else someone posted. 
 

I generally find Torviks site pretty useful. Does anyone think we’ll have the 2nd most talented roster next year? Top 5? 

Preseason projections and evaluations can be indicators.  But no one really has a great handle on any rebuilt teams until well into a tougher part of the schedule.  Except for maybe the coaches...after some practices.

Right or wrong, last season got the short end of the stick for many reasons.  Not much was satisfactory except for getting a coaching change and Lamar Wilkerson...and isolated glimpses of development and improvement.

This new season we may have a really decent PG who stays healthy.  Maybe.

After that, we have upgraded size and gotten mostly experienced players that have more than one year of eligibility remaining.   They have not played together.  They have a new head coach in a new setting and new offensive and defensive schemes.  

As for talent...discuss that as you will.  I won't.  There's just too much preseason hype for me to get into anything other than rough comparisons.

Too many other things are vitally important.  We all know about effort, ballers, athletes, how smart they are, turnovers, team play, coaching, defense, shooting, assists, rebounding, health, locker room issues, youth, depth, B10 physicality, road trips, scheduling, one more scholarship...)

Pleased that this team will get some serious practice and games preseason.  

Still trying to get my arms around the portal and $$$$$$ being thrown around.

The season keeps getting longer.  Travel distances greater.  Preseason and practices expanded this year.  I'm going to enjoy warmer weather and there is no hurry to get to the fall and winter sports.

*When's tipoff?

 

 

[HoosierHoopster]

6 hours ago, str8baller said:

I stand corrected. I might be thinking of some Kenpom numbers or something else someone posted. 
 

I generally find Torviks site pretty useful. Does anyone think we’ll have the 2nd most talented roster next year? Top 5? 

Wait so you recognize you stand corrected because you misstated IU’s portal rank to make a point but then you reverse pivot to try to undervalue the actual rank? Ok

[HoosierHoopster]

16 hours ago, ronzo4IU said:

This is interesting to see, but it has no relevance today.  
A coach today with IU resources can either identify and sign the right players or they can’t.  
Many can’t.  
I truly am pulling for DD because I do think he has it in him.  

This is a test of all tests and I hope he evolves and rises to the top.

Of course it’s relevant. Cig - football and completely different- brought like a third of his team with him and that includes his culture and team knowledge and experience in his system.

you guys seem to be going out of your way to find fault and undercut what DeVries is doing right now. Not sure why you think that’s necessary? In any event whether what he’s doing now in landing what is actually a top 3 portal class to go with at least a decent 2026 class will pan out remains to be seen, but trying to cast a bad light on it by comparison to Cig or UM (worlds different) is pointless other than to see the IU program as all doom and gloom. Unlike UM etc. IU has been flat out awful to mediocre at best for about a decade, if DeV can turn that around in 2 seasons that would be pretty good in my book. If he fails and we were to somehow miss the tournament again with this roster? I’ll be the first to shout from the rooftops— but I’ll place a wager with you that won’t happen 

[str8baller]

1 hour ago, HoosierHoopster said:

Wait so you recognize you stand corrected because you misstated IU’s portal rank to make a point but then you reverse pivot to try to undervalue the actual rank? Ok

Let me see if I can tease this out for you in a way that’s clearer to understand. 
 

—Portal rank does not equal roster rank for next season (despite the coincidence that Torviks site has our total roster close to On3’s or wherever portal rank). 
 

—A teams portal ranking is going to be heavily influenced by two main factors: 1) the number of players you bring in and 2) the total spend.

 

IU had those two things in spades vis a vis portal rankings. We had tons to spend and we had 12 players to bring in. It follows that most schools in that position will be at or near the top of the portal rankings.  Louisville is in a similar spot. 
 

But very few people would take IU or Louisvilles roster over Dukes, Floridas, or Michigans even though we out-did them, by ranking, in the portal. 

[ronzo4IU]

2 hours ago, HoosierHoopster said:

Of course it’s relevant. Cig - football and completely different- brought like a third of his team with him and that includes his culture and team knowledge and experience in his system.

you guys seem to be going out of your way to find fault and undercut what DeVries is doing right now. Not sure why you think that’s necessary? In any event whether what he’s doing now in landing what is actually a top 3 portal class to go with at least a decent 2026 class will pan out remains to be seen, but trying to cast a bad light on it by comparison to Cig or UM (worlds different) is pointless other than to see the IU program as all doom and gloom. Unlike UM etc. IU has been flat out awful to mediocre at best for about a decade, if DeV can turn that around in 2 seasons that would be pretty good in my book. If he fails and we were to somehow miss the tournament again with this roster? I’ll be the first to shout from the rooftops— but I’ll place a wager with you that won’t happen 

My point was that the stats dating back 16 years between Michigan State and Michigan do not have any relevance pertaining to Indiana.
Yes I understand that Michigan is usually good in sports and IU predominantly has a history of being good in basketball (until now) and yes, we’ve had a rocky road ever since Knight was fired.
We are a program in the NIL era that, with a good coach should be able to rebound just as fast as any.

I am not trying to cast shade on what DD is doing and I hope he succeeds like I stated, and I think most fans, though critical of things pertaining to the roster build are just pointing out weaknesses that they perceive based on past history.

[Uspshoosier]

20 minutes ago, ronzo4IU said:

My point was that the stats dating back 16 years between Michigan State and Michigan do not have any relevance pertaining to Indiana.

I would of used IUs stats dating back 16 years compared to those 2 but IU hadn’t been relevant enough for anyone to compare them to those 2 top of the B1G teams in that timeframe 

[ronzo4IU]

4 hours ago, Uspshoosier said:

I would of used IUs stats dating back 16 years compared to those 2 but IU hadn’t been relevant enough for anyone to compare them to those 2 top of the B1G teams in that timeframe 

Ok, we haven’t been relevant for sure, but DD could’ve transitioned here like Dusty, or Cig that has been mentioned bringing in assistant coaches and former players, etc., but for whatever reason he didn’t, and so our first year was what it was, but in this era, a great coach can turn around a program in the first year or two, which is the point no matter how miserable we have been we have resources that are far superior to Most.

Edited May 17 by ronzo4IU

[Pryght]

10 hours ago, ronzo4IU said:

Ok, we haven’t been relevant for sure, but DD could’ve transitioned here like Dusty, or Cig that has been mentioned bringing in assistant coaches and former players, etc., but for whatever reason he didn’t, and so our first year was what it was, but in this era, a great coach can turn around a program in the first year or two, which is the point no matter how miserable we have been we have resources that are far superior to Most.

It seems that Alabama’s Preston Murphy and Texas Tech’s Achoki Moikobu, both of whom had previously worked with DeVries, may have taken a long time to decide they weren’t interested in joining his staff. That hesitation hurt us last year. However, pivoting to Kenny Johnson may ultimately prove to be a blessing in disguise.

 

[Pagoda]

10 hours ago, ronzo4IU said:

...but in this era, a great coach can turn around a program in the first year or two, which is the point no matter how miserable we have been we have resources that are far superior to Most.

I tend to agree with this.

Before the Penn State kick-off last year, a sideline reporter said to Cig, "Indiana has never won here at Beaver Stadium, how does that change today?"

Cig: "This team has never played here."

G-damn it he's the best.

I think should fundamentally apply to IUBB. 

We've stunk for a long time, but all the people that stunk are pretty much entirely gone.  Everyone that had to do with Mike Davis, Sampson's problems, Crean's down years, Archie, and Woody... are gone.  I get it's technically not everyone, Scott & Pam were around for Woody (though as we know he was mostly pushed on them) and there are probably some meddling donors in the background that have been around for decades.  But in general, all the people who struggled here are gone.  And whatever the IU admin is now, it is natty capable.

Now, our image isn't great after 30 years of struggles.  Fair, that's a headwind, though not an insurmountable one.  But another thing that's gone is the era we struggled in, the pre-NIL era.  Now we've got ~#15 roster spend last year and ~#7-10 roster spend this year.  We've never had this before.  This is quite the advantage as we know.

So, yes, we've not been good for a long time.  And maybe there is something weird in the water in Bloomington that makes us mediocre at MBB.  Not sure what that is but it's possible.  But overall, this current IUBB program has almost nothing in common with the iterations of our program that struggled.  

Frankly, while I don't expect CDD to be Cig, I wouldn't mind CDD laying down a marker that the past is the past, this team has nothing to do with it, and things change now.  I can kinda buy the excuses for season one... some of them.  But this season he's been given everything needed to improve significantly.  There is no reason IU can't be a six seed or better and think S16 this year, then build on that for season three and really start thinking big.

[HoosierHoopster]

On 5/15/2026 at 5:28 PM, str8baller said:

We had $20mil to spend on 12 players. It would be impossible to be outside the top 5.  
 

Torvik or somebody’s entire roster rating is a better judge. And we’re doing well there. But not top 5. 

 

On 5/15/2026 at 5:28 PM, str8baller said:

We had $20mil to spend on 12 players. It would be impossible to be outside the top 5.  
 

Torvik or somebody’s entire roster rating is a better judge. And we’re doing well there. But not top 5. 

You don’t know what we actually had to spend on the portal, and from what what we do know multiple teams spent somewhere in the neighborhood of $10M plus. You say it would be impossible not to be in the top 5 but that’s just opinion without actual evidence. That we landed a better roster than last season minimally is obvious but you guys just keep nitpicking because you want to criticize. That’s all good have at it, but the only real problem I see is the inability to bring in a good backup big and another on ball guard. 

[HoosierHoopster]

16 hours ago, ronzo4IU said:

My point was that the stats dating back 16 years between Michigan State and Michigan do not have any relevance pertaining to Indiana.
Yes I understand that Michigan is usually good in sports and IU predominantly has a history of being good in basketball (until now) and yes, we’ve had a rocky road ever since Knight was fired.
We are a program in the NIL era that, with a good coach should be able to rebound just as fast as any.

I am not trying to cast shade on what DD is doing and I hope he succeeds like I stated, and I think most fans, though critical of things pertaining to the roster build are just pointing out weaknesses that they perceive based on past history.

I do think it’s relevant, whether HS or portal transfers good players want to go to winning programs. Teams like Duke et al sell themselves. Teams like UM have the last 2 decades of high level success. A blip of 2 years doesn’t change that. IU has been bad for a decade, there is no luster to the program, and when you’re rebuilding the entire roster and players have no idea who they’d be playing with if the join, then looking at a school that hasn’t won jack in a decade vs a winning program absolutely makes a difference.

For me this is the test year for DeVries and his staff. They’re still somewhat in the same boat because they’re rebuilding again based on the way DeVries built from portal last year and we missed the tourney, but there were a number of good W’s and now he has size and better athleticism needed to win more consistently in the B1G. I just have a longer outlook than you guys, doesn’t mean I’m patient or happy with where we are, couldn’t be more impatient at this point. But if DeVries does better in conf and gets us into the tournament, then with multiple talented returning players with eligibility I think we’ll see us take off the following season — that’s what I’m banking on anyway 

[ronzo4IU]

1 hour ago, HoosierHoopster said:

I do think it’s relevant, whether HS or portal transfers good players want to go to winning programs. Teams like Duke et al sell themselves. Teams like UM have the last 2 decades of high level success. A blip of 2 years doesn’t change that. IU has been bad for a decade, there is no luster to the program, and when you’re rebuilding the entire roster and players have no idea who they’d be playing with if the join, then looking at a school that hasn’t won jack in a decade vs a winning program absolutely makes a difference.

For me this is the test year for DeVries and his staff. They’re still somewhat in the same boat because they’re rebuilding again based on the way DeVries built from portal last year and we missed the tourney, but there were a number of good W’s and now he has size and better athleticism needed to win more consistently in the B1G. I just have a longer outlook than you guys, doesn’t mean I’m patient or happy with where we are, couldn’t be more impatient at this point. But if DeVries does better in conf and gets us into the tournament, then with multiple talented returning players with eligibility I think we’ll see us take off the following season — that’s what I’m banking on anyway 

I agree this is the test year!