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[AH1971]

2 minutes ago, Pryght said:

We have 4 guys who can play the 1 (to varying levels of success).

We have a boatload of guys who can play the 2 and 3 (to varying levels of success).

We have 3 guys who can play the 4 (to varying levels of success), with most likely another 4/5 who most likely has yet to be named.

We have 3 guys who can play the 5 (to varying levels of success).

It's too early to tell if "it's terrible depth." 

 

 

 

If Sokolov, Monden, and/or Manhertz are playing any kind of significant minutes out of necessity next year, what do you believe the level of success of next years team to be? Again, we're an injury away from being worse than last year. 

[Pryght]

12 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

If Sokolov, Monden, and/or Manhertz are playing any kind of significant minutes out of necessity next year, what do you believe the level of success of next years team to be? Again, we're an injury away from being worse than last year. 

Why are you so down on Manhertz? Is it mainly the strength/weight concern? He has great length with a 7'0" wingspan, and he may end up being our best three-point shooter next season.

I want to see the freshmen play before I go full doom-and-gloom. I’m high on all three, especially Moody and Manhertz.

[AH1971]

3 minutes ago, Pryght said:

Why are you so down on Manhertz? Is it mainly the strength/weight concern? He has great length with a 7'0" wingspan, and he may end up being our best three-point shooter next season.

I want to see the freshmen play before I go full doom-and-gloom. I’m high on all three, especially Moody and Manhertz.

I'm down on the idea of an 18 year old who lacks the size/strength to play against 22,23 and now 24, 25, and in some cases 26 year old grown men. Nothing against Manhertz as I think he'll be a good player in due time, but there's a chance he's going to be asked to do things he's not ready to do next year. I can say the same thing for Karvala and Moody. I would have liked some size and experience on the bench next year even if they don't possess the highest talent ceilings. It's not a good place to be when your ceiling/floor hinges on the health of 1 or 2 players, especially when one of them has an injured past. 

[str8baller]

25 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

Those guys all earned their roles throughout the course of the season. Manhertz, Karvala, and Moody are going to be key rotation pieces regardless if they are ready or not. That's where my problem lies. Sisley was a top 75 recruit who couldn't get on the court to end the year for a bad team. 

Only one freshman needs to get on the court consistently to have an 8 man rotation. Hitting on 1 out 3 top 100 recruits isn’t asking much. A rising-soph Sisley was kept over Dorn and Miles who did play at the end of the year. 
 

Even with NIL college basketball is still run on recruiting and scouting. Coaches who can’t do that consistently aren’t long for the world. If Devries screwed it up two years in a row, we’ll have a pretty good idea about his fate. 

[AH1971]

1 minute ago, str8baller said:

Only one freshman needs to get on the court consistently to have an 8 man rotation. Hitting on 1 out 3 top 100 recruits isn’t asking much. A rising-soph Sisley was kept over Dorn and Miles who did play at the end of the year. 
 

Even with NIL college basketball is still run on recruiting and scouting. Coaches who can’t do that consistently aren’t long for the world. If Devries screwed it up two years in a row, we’ll have a pretty good idea about his fate. 

An 8 man rotation only works if everyone stays healthy. Playing two 7 footers 30+ minutes a night is a pretty good way to ensure that doesn't happen. That doesn't even factor Burton who has a history of issues. And your 8 man rotation that includes Harris, Sisley, and Moody/Karvala/Manhertz doesn't include a 1 or a 5. 

I love the core of next years team (Burton, Lindsay, Sherrell, Samet). Think Mustaf could be good too. Harris and Sisley are complete wildcards for me. I think Moody could provide decent minutes in spurts but would need to see it to believe. I think Manhertz and Karvala are a year away physically from being counted on to do anything. If Sokolov, Monden, or insert whatever practice player they end up using for the last roster spot are playing other than a blowout....pray for peace.

[str8baller]

49 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

Playing two 7 footers 30+ minutes a night is a pretty good way to ensure that doesn't happen.

Sherrell started and played in every Alabama game last year. He played 24mpg and was regularly playing 27-30mpg by the end of the year.  
 

Yigi played 29mpg and started in all 34 SMU games.  
 

Why would the staff spend significant money and resources on a scenario where those guys don’t play 27-30mpg, when that’s exactly what they’ve done in the past and will do in the future?  
 

Your backup 5 is your starting 4. And your backup 1 is your starting 2. When Sherrell and Lindsey slide over to their secondary roles it opens a whole bunch of minutes up at the 2-4 positions. Those are all likely perimeter positions for Devries. So 3 of Harris, Sisley, and the 3 frosh need to find 18-20mpg there.  If you can’t go 3/5 on scouting there most years, then you can’t coach at this level. 

[Pryght]

16 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

I'm down on the idea of an 18 year old who lacks the size/strength to play against 22,23 and now 24, 25, and in some cases 26 year old grown men. Nothing against Manhertz as I think he'll be a good player in due time, but there's a chance he's going to be asked to do things he's not ready to do next year. I can say the same thing for Karvala and Moody. I would have liked some size and experience on the bench next year even if they don't possess the highest talent ceilings. It's not a good place to be when your ceiling/floor hinges on the health of 1 or 2 players, especially when one of them has an injured past. 

That’s fair, though I think Manhertz’s length can offset some of the size concerns. It’s also been a while since we’ve had a freshman class this talented.

[Pryght]

1 hour ago, str8baller said:

Even with NIL college basketball is still run on recruiting and scouting. Coaches who can’t do that consistently aren’t long for the world. If Devries screwed it up two years in a row, we’ll have a pretty good idea about his fate. 

Even objective measures suggest the roster is talented. The real question, and what will ultimately determine his fate, is whether he can get that talent to function effectively within a system.

[AH1971]

2 minutes ago, str8baller said:

Sherrell started and played in every Alabama game last year. He played 24mpg and was regularly playing 27-30mpg by the end of the year.  
 

Yigi played 29mpg and started in all 34 SMU games.  
 

Why would the staff spend significant money and resources on a scenario where those guys don’t play 27-30mpg, when that’s exactly what they’ve done in the past and will do in the future?  
 

Your backup 5 is your starting 4. And your backup 1 is your starting 2. When Sherrell and Lindsey slide over to their secondary roles it opens a whole bunch of minutes up at the 2-4 positions. Those are all likely perimeter positions for Devries. So 3 of Harris, Sisley, and the 3 frosh need to find 18-20mpg there.  If you can’t go 3/5 on scouting there most years, then you can’t coach at this level. 

Again, what happens when one of those guys gets hurt? You seriously going to roll with a front court of Sherrell, Manhertz, and Sisley for an extended period of time? Good luck. 

 

[str8baller]

Just now, Pryght said:

Even objective measures suggest the roster is talented. The real question, and what will ultimately determine his fate, is whether he can get that talent to function effectively within a system.

Agree. I’ve mentioned that somewhere in these threads…lol…but have shied away from speculating because we just don’t have a ton to go on.  
 

It’s also why I’m pretty convinced that they won’t play two bigs 30+mpg, largely because Devries never has. 
 

I could go down each player and list some major question marks. Ultimately, I think the bullish case for the season is on Burton becoming more of a shot creator than shot-maker. But that’ll all come down to coaching. After Woody everyone wanted a career college guy who is good with Xs and Os and grinded his way up. That’s Devries. We’re about to see how well he can “coach ‘em up” because the aggregate talent is there. 

[AH1971]

2 minutes ago, str8baller said:

It’s also why I’m pretty convinced that they won’t play two bigs 30+mpg, largely because Devries never has. 
 

It would seem rather redundant to spend nearly $8 million on two players just to platoon them when there's still glaring weaknesses on the roster. If the plan is to primarily play one big, then there was zero excuse not to sign a dynamic 4. Sisley cannot be the best 4 man on the roster if that's the case.

[Brass Cannon]

1 hour ago, AH1971 said:

It would seem rather redundant to spend nearly $8 million on two players just to platoon them when there's still glaring weaknesses on the roster. If the plan is to primarily play one big, then there was zero excuse not to sign a dynamic 4. Sisley cannot be the best 4 man on the roster if that's the case.

Both bigs can average 28 minutes and we still spend the majority of the time with only 1 big in the game 

[AH1971]

34 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

Both bigs can average 28 minutes and we still spend the majority of the time with only 1 big in the game 

Yes, platooning. 

[BA47591]

I'm confident Sherrell, Burton and Mustaf start. I feel pretty confident Karvala will be in the rotation at the 3 beh8nd Mustaf. 

Probably pretty likely Yigitoglu starts and at some point early in each half a rotation at the 5 will start between he and Sherrell. Sisley will be the 4 in the majority of those minutes. Could be some looks with Mustaf at the 4, Harris the 3 and Burton the point. 

You can visualize a pretty nice situation. 

[mike vannice]

2 hours ago, BA47591 said:

I'm confident Sherrell, Burton and Mustaf start. I feel pretty confident Karvala will be in the rotation at the 3 beh8nd Mustaf. 

Probably pretty likely Yigitoglu starts and at some point early in each half a rotation at the 5 will start between he and Sherrell. Sisley will be the 4 in the majority of those minutes. Could be some looks with Mustaf at the 4, Harris the 3 and Burton the point. 

You can visualize a pretty nice situation. 

I like that situation as well. I am in the minority here but still feel like we pickup another player who can contribute at the 4/5 to solve our depth problem. There are several international guys who declared for the draft and may choose to withdraw if they are told they won't go high enough or need another year of seasoning. I can imagine a scenario where Dolson, Carr, and Coach are beating the bushes rounding up cash for one more impact player. Hope we do not hear anything until after May 27th the day when players can withdraw and maintain college eligibility. Remember the names Lazar Gacic and Pavle Backo they are both clients of Misko Raznatovic who I think might owe us a favor for taking on Clemens Sokolof as our developmental big. A three way rotation with one of those guys and Sherrell and Yigitoglu would solve our injury/foul issues.