Transfer Portal w IU Interest

[HoosierTrav 7,762]

This all feels like we’re going to need more than $6m. 

[Golfman25 5,128]

49 minutes ago, rcbowla said:

I mean Mbagko and Reneau vs Walker and Leal? Yeah of course. That's not really an apples to apples when discussing Galloway vs an incoming Fr or So

Or with X hurt.  

[Golfman25 5,128]

53 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

Last season IU's freshmen and sophomores played more minutes than their juniors and seniors.

X would have Cupps minutes had he been healthy.  

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8 hours ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

Over half the roster is FR & SOPH…can’t wait for Woody’s response that ‘we’re a young team’ when facing struggles and missing expectations in January. Many new folks too…so ‘we’re still learning each other’ when struggling in February. Oops, wrong thread…sorry! Hope this works and we win…got my knife and fork polished and on the ready to eat crow!!

[RaceToTheTop 25,256]

1 hour ago, Golfman25 said:

Too much math. :)  And all good.  All numbers come with a plus/minus variance.  Really looking at big differences, which we don't have.  All I am doing is taking a 30,000 foot look at it -- to answer the question Are we any different?  Last three years have generally been a disappointment, no?  Year 1: play in game, 1st round blowout.  Year 2: 4th seed, 2nd round blowout.  Last season: a complete miss.  

Is Rice "better" than X?  Probably, has more upside.  But he did what he did and the fact is he doesn't shoot the three as good (not saying he can't improve).  

Is Ballo "better" than Ware?  They are different players, with similar numbers.  I am really concerned we end up with two bigs under the basket clogging everything up (like Race and TJD did).    

So like I said, net net it looks like a push to me right now.  We lost 2 good players and replaced them with 2 good players. If we had to take the floor tonight we have:  Rice, Gallo, MM, Malik and Ballo.  How many wins is that better than X, Gallo, MM, Malik and Ware?  Does that lead to more blowouts in non-conference to improve the tournament resume?  These are the big questions.  

Tucker and the next two players are the ones who can potentially make a difference.  If we can upgrade those players that left, maybe we have something.  Maybe one pushed Gallo out of the starting lineup?   Maybe one can shoot?  Maybe one doesn't drop off the big man play when someone is in foul trouble?   Like I said, there is still a lot of work to do.  Am I happy we landed these guys, yes I am.  But I am not falling for the hype.  Call me cautiously optimistic.  

Gonna have to say if I look back at your post history, you weren’t calling X a good player.  And you are trying to compare first season Myles Rice after two years of cancer to sixth year Xavier Johnson.  Would you really go on record saying that you’ wouldn’t rather have second year Myles rice over ANY year if X?

[cthomas 6,357]

7 hours ago, Golfman25 said:

Call me cautiously optimistic.  

I usually call myself cautiously pessimistic.

[OKHOOSIER 2,108]

1 hour ago, cthomas said:

I usually call myself cautiously pessimistic.

I wouldn’t say I am optimistic or pessimistic right now. Maybe just a little mistic 

[IH8PU 220]

8 hours ago, rcbowla said:

Not sure why so many think this is true. 5th year senior and most trusted player of the HC is most likely starting imo. I could be wrong, for sure, but I don't see a scenario where Galloway is coming off the bench with the current roster projection.

If that's the case then you have Gallo, Rice, Carlyle, MgBako and Baso .... where's Reneau? I cannot see those two guards from the Pac12 agreeing to come off the bench when they could start anywhere else. Baso at a $1.2M is starting. With MbBako's late improvement in shooting the 3 and getting to the basket he is starting.

Like @Chris007 mentioned a few days ago, not enough basketballs to go around ... to me that is a good thing. Competition for playing time is a good thing. How many times has IU fans complained about lack of a bench? Well next year it looks like IU should have a really good bench and they still have scholarships to give.

[Golfman25 5,128]

7 hours ago, RaceToTheTop said:

Gonna have to say if I look back at your post history, you weren’t calling X a good player.  And you are trying to compare first season Myles Rice after two years of cancer to sixth year Xavier Johnson.  Would you really go on record saying that you’ wouldn’t rather have second year Myles rice over ANY year if X?

I am taking projections out of the equation and just going on simplistic blind numbers — past performance.  It’s not advanced by any means.  I am just not seeing how these two moves, and these two moves only, make us a championship contender.   They may be some of the better players available, but their stats don’t jump off the charts compared with what we lost.    With these two additions are we really significantly better than we have been the past three years?  Or will we be back here in November saying the things we did the past three years.  
 

Plus we need to pass the time until the next visits this weekend. :)

[Certified Sunshine Pumper 8,947]

10 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

I am taking projections out of the equation and just going on simplistic blind numbers — past performance.  It’s not advanced by any means.  I am just not seeing how these two moves, and these two moves only, make us a championship contender.   They may be some of the better players available, but their stats don’t jump off the charts compared with what we lost.    With these two additions are we really significantly better than we have been the past three years?  Or will we be back here in November saying the things we did the past three years.  
 

Plus we need to pass the time until the next visits this weekend. :)

Yeah Haircut Gunn, Banks, Sparks, and our child of a 24yr old point guard. Huge losses 

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7 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

 With these two additions are we really significantly better than we have been the past three years? 

With just Ballo and Rice? No. But I think Rice could be significantly better than X. And given that we had to replace Ware and X, it’s hard to imagine doing better than these two going into the portal.

And adding in Carlyle, Tucker and whoever else does make us significantly better than we have been in terms of talent.

That doesn’t mean Woodson will win at a high level. But he is certainly building a roster better than it has been. As long as we get a shooter or two with remaining spots.

 

[68Hoosier 514]

Question regarding a signed letter of intent.  With the portal is there really a need anymore?  It seems that everyone who asks out gets a pass and allowed to move to another school.  

[IH8PU 220]

3 minutes ago, 68Hoosier said:

Question regarding a signed letter of intent.  With the portal is there really a need anymore?  It seems that everyone who asks out gets a pass and allowed to move to another school.  

Good point. I am not sure what an LOI even does anymore in the 'Wild West' of college athletics.

[Chris007 43,625]

10 hours ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

Would he really leave UNC?

You asked for a big name. People have said he might want a change of scenery and to see how much he could get on the open market

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2 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

You asked for a big name. People have said he might want a change of scenery and to see how much he could get on the open market

LOL ... what that wouldn't do to IU's guard situation. Competition would be fierce in practice for playing time. How many total minutes are available in a game? 200 .... some are not going to play as much as they want.

[Chris007 43,625]

28 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

I am taking projections out of the equation and just going on simplistic blind numbers — past performance.  It’s not advanced by any means.  I am just not seeing how these two moves, and these two moves only, make us a championship contender.   They may be some of the better players available, but their stats don’t jump off the charts compared with what we lost.    With these two additions are we really significantly better than we have been the past three years?  Or will we be back here in November saying the things we did the past three years.  
 

Plus we need to pass the time until the next visits this weekend. :)

These guys feel the same as you do. Still no shooting and everything is crowded. Goodman said this is a roster for the 80's

 

[Golfman25 5,128]

15 minutes ago, Papacap said:

With just Ballo and Rice? No. But I think Rice could be significantly better than X. And given that we had to replace Ware and X, it’s hard to imagine doing better than these two going into the portal.

And adding in Carlyle, Tucker and whoever else does make us significantly better than we have been in terms of talent.

That doesn’t mean Woodson will win at a high level. But he is certainly building a roster better than it has been. As long as we get a shooter or two with remaining spots.

 

As I have said the next few players, plus Tucker, may make the difference.  But Tucker has yet to play a game and the others aren’t official yet. 

[Golfman25 5,128]

18 minutes ago, btownqb said:

Yeah Haircut Gunn, Banks, Sparks, and our child of a 24yr old point guard. Huge losses 

Only comparing to X and Ware.  The others should be upgrades. 

[Golfman25 5,128]

18 minutes ago, Papacap said:

With just Ballo and Rice? No. But I think Rice could be significantly better than X. And given that we had to replace Ware and X, it’s hard to imagine doing better than these two going into the portal.

And adding in Carlyle, Tucker and whoever else does make us significantly better than we have been in terms of talent.

That doesn’t mean Woodson will win at a high level. But he is certainly building a roster better than it has been. As long as we get a shooter or two with remaining spots.

 

I Don’t disagree.  But I am taking the “could” out of the equation.  What if he doesn’t get there?  I know what he is now, for sure.  

[Hovadipo 55,318]

3 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

These guys feel the same as you do. Still no shooting and everything is crowded. Goodman said this is a roster for the 80's

 

Well…the 80s were pretty good to us. Thank u jeff!!!!