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lol.  Indiana ain’t got any Juice. And especially DeVries. Maybe should have kept Woodson on as the Closer. 
 

This was always gonna be this way unless we overpay.  We aren’t willing to overpay, so we will get what we get.  I’ve been ahead of this from the beginning. Could see exactly how it was going to go.

When we sign another middling roster during the pay to play era, the fanbase will respond accordingly.  Simple as that. 

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1 minute ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

lol.  Indiana ain’t got any Juice. And especially DeVries. Maybe should have kept Woodson on as the Closer. 
 

This was always gonna be this way unless we overpay.  We aren’t willing to overpay, so we will get what we get.  I’ve been ahead of this from the beginning. Could see exactly how it was going to go.

When we sign another middling roster during the pay to play era, the fanbase will respond accordingly.  Simple as that. 

Which means because we didn't overpay we'll have to pay a massive buyout next year.  Make it make sense.

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18 minutes ago, Home Jersey said:

Maybe! Totally possible

Lot of truth in this... Easier said than done, but totally doable. We need early momentum with as much roster turnover as we have. So they should be aggressive with their top targets. 

Don't think the Indiana history or name value resonates with recruits these days. Sad but true. 

Tough to create swagger in the offseason when you didn't make the tournament and are replacing the entire roster without the benefit of the doubt of being a new coach in his first year. Cig swagger is a long ways away.

Other schools can have their pick much more easily than Indiana can today. We've gotta be smarter than them about prioritization and evaluation. 

Good points, I think swag can be achieved in other ways, but first you have to be a good identifier of exactly the right talent that you want in your program and then identify the top two targets and pay whatever it takes to get those two players and then let the rest of the chips fall. I have a hard time believing that we are that far below Michigan moneywise.
 I really don’t think there’s any other way for DDV to do that and time as of the essence.

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Just now, Kentuckysucks said:

Which means because we didn't overpay we'll have to pay a massive buyout next year.  Make it make sense.

It all started last season when we didnt sign a good enough class.  I knew it. You have to build momentum.  Prove system works. Provide value. We did none of that because we wanted to save a few million. Now the job is infinitely harder. And we will do it again. We might have more talent on paper but we won’t step up a level enough to make an impact. It’s not that hard to figure out. 

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8 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

It all started last season when we didnt sign a good enough class.  I knew it. You have to build momentum.  Prove system works. Provide value. We did none of that because we wanted to save a few million. Now the job is infinitely harder. And we will do it again. We might have more talent on paper but we won’t step up a level enough to make an impact. It’s not that hard to figure out. 

One guy signed elsewhere. No need to go crazy…just yet.

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13 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

lol.  Indiana ain’t got any Juice. And especially DeVries. Maybe should have kept Woodson on as the Closer. 
 

This was always gonna be this way unless we overpay.  We aren’t willing to overpay, so we will get what we get.  I’ve been ahead of this from the beginning. Could see exactly how it was going to go.

When we sign another middling roster during the pay to play era, the fanbase will respond accordingly.  Simple as that. 

Mostly agree. Do think we’ll end getting some quality players though. Remains to be seen. 

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17 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

lol.  Indiana ain’t got any Juice. And especially DeVries. Maybe should have kept Woodson on as the Closer. 
 

This was always gonna be this way unless we overpay.  We aren’t willing to overpay, so we will get what we get.  I’ve been ahead of this from the beginning. Could see exactly how it was going to go.

When we sign another middling roster during the pay to play era, the fanbase will respond accordingly.  Simple as that. 

Is Estrella someone you overpay for? Genuinely asking? I think he’s solid no doubt but a big man with a history of foot injuries isn’t something to take lightly. It’s rumored he got somewhere between $2.5-3mil to go to Michigan? Is he worth $3.5-$4mil to IU? I don’t know that he is, especially if Fru is asking ~$3mil who I think is better.

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1 minute ago, Uspshoosier said:

It’s not.   IU basketball isn’t a thing anymore.   Is this the year some of you realize it and treat them like the mediocre  program they are or just going to still hold out hope and think they are relevant in college basketball?  I hear the football program is rolling though. 

You and I will never agree on this.  No self imposed limitations. Michigan was in the tank 2 years ago.  Now they are top of the sport two years later with the right hire and resources. Louisville is better with a corny coach. They aren’t great but they are in top 25 status with potential to do more each season.  That all I really ask of Indiana to start.  Other examples of programs becoming relevant with money.  BYU. Etc. 
 

If our Nil is legitimately top 20, the expectations will always be there. How would we be feeling if we just had the season Iowa had and then you give McCollum 14-16 million to build his ideal roster. 
 

Problem right now is DeVries wasted the most important year 1.  No he (we) has to pay for it. 
 

Past does not forecast future particularly when resources are as important as they are.   

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Just now, WayneFleekHoosier said:

You and I will never agree on this.

We don’t have to agree on it.  You have hope and are willing to ignore the past 20+ on courts results.   Couple years ago I stopped ignoring on courts results.    IU isn’t a thing in college basketball anymore until they prove it on the court.  Until then they are just another program regardless of how much they spend 

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