They “Retired” Coach Woodson Thread

[8bucks]

21 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

And I’m really sick of hearing about how much he (and Mike Woodson) “cares about IU. Every action he takes suggests they put their own wants and desires far ahead of what’s best for the program. 

I think they do care but completely misunderstood how much effort it takes.  I think they felt Woody could attract talent based on his experience and grandfatherly way, which he has to some extent, but did not realize how much time was needed on the HS recruiting side of things.  I also think they overlooked how you have to be a very good coach to excel.

This is not an easy job.  There are some really good coaches out there who can build a program, have resources and are great at Xs and Os.  Woody just does not seem to have the stamina or acumen to excel here.  

[KathywithaC]

49 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

Sorry I call complete BS on that statement.  While Stevens may have been a low odds longshot, you miss 100% of the shots you don't take.  Dude gets major kudos from me for have the gonads to take the shot.  It's not his fault the powers that be at IU are a bunch of idiots.  What is it that Cig says -- NO SELF IMPOSED LIMITATIONS.  

If you’re going to take a shot, it would help to have a basket to shoot at. We didn’t.

[go iu bb]

28 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

It's a completely different handle there, but it's 100% so.

And the same know-it-all, at times informative and at times extremely condescending style.

I was on that board until a few years ago and I don't miss it. That describes multiple posters on there. The first one that comes to mind is Cavanagh but from what I remember he's way more combative than this poster. 

[KathywithaC]

43 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

KathyC paints an incredibly depressing picture of IU athletics. All this HR talk about “consensus building” and “relationships” being what matters instead of wins. An unserious administration delivering unserious results. No surprise there. It’s way past time to get all these has beens out of the picture and let the AD do his job. 

At least we have IU football to enjoy until that happens. I’d rather be a football school anyway. 

Last evening, I listed our last half dozen Athletic Directors. Most of them had never been ADs when we hired them. When I talk about consensus building and relationships and you talk about the seriousness of our administration, go back to that list. Most of them weren’t / aren’t bad people, but IU has always been an extremely provincial culture, and that includes the athletic department. Decision making has been a team sport there for quite some time. It’s a big reason why Bob Knight demanded that he have full control of the basketball program during his tenure, and why he began to bristle when anyone tried to insert themselves. John Ryan, Bill Orwig and Ralph Floyd got it and were very respectful of that, which led to Knight respecting them. That began to change when those guys left.

[KathywithaC]

50 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

I disagree with Cathy about the whole Cluster F Stevens process. But it doesn't matter these days. From what I was told from people in the room we thought we had a signed contract with BS and his agent wife. But maybe Quinn knew he would say no so he could move on to Woody. Anyway can't wait to go through the process again here soon

That wasn’t my understanding (signed contract) but I was told directly that Mrs. Stevens was a challenge, to say the least. We also had several cooks in the kitchen, each of whom thought they had the code cracked on what it would take to get Stevens. In the end, I don’t think the code really existed.

[deserthoosier]

3 minutes ago, KathywithaC said:

Last evening, I listed our last half dozen Athletic Directors. Most of them had never been ADs when we hired them. When I talk about consensus building and relationships and you talk about the seriousness of our administration, go back to that list. Most of them weren’t / aren’t bad people, but IU has always been an extremely provincial culture, and that includes the athletic department. Decision making has been a team sport there for quite some time. It’s a big reason why Bob Knight demanded that he have full control of the basketball program during his tenure, and why he began to bristle when anyone tried to insert themselves. John Ryan, Bill Orwig and Ralph Floyd got it and were very respectful of that, which led to Knight respecting them. That began to change when those guys left.

McNeely...what a TERRIBLE hire.

[KathywithaC]

47 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

KathywithaC is just some message board poster. Anonymous, has been active on the rivals free board for years, provocative, but no reason for me to believe that he/she has anything more than anyone else here, and less than a few that I know may have some program access.

So don't let negativity be depressing and don't let irrational optimism get you too sure of improvements. The fun is in the sorting though it and finding out.

Drip...drip...drip.

No issue with your disagreement or what you do or don’t believe  but I do take issue with your statement that I post elsewhere, which isn’t true. I would’ve sent this to you privately but I have no problem stating it clearly for anyone here to see.

[Pagoda]

3 minutes ago, KathywithaC said:

That wasn’t my understanding (signed contract) but I was told directly that Mrs. Stevens was a challenge, to say the least. We also had several cooks in the kitchen, each of whom thought they had the code cracked on what it would take to get Stevens. In the end, I don’t think the code really existed.

I doubt she was that challenging.  We just don’t know what we’re doing, so she appears challenging.

[KathywithaC]

5 minutes ago, deserthoosier said:

McNeely...what a TERRIBLE hire.

Among others.

[Chris007]

1 minute ago, KathywithaC said:

That wasn’t my understanding (signed contract) but I was told directly that Mrs. Stevens was a challenge, to say the least. We also had several cooks in the kitchen, each of whom thought they had the code cracked on what it would take to get Stevens. In the end, I don’t think the code really existed.

Well, my understanding was that we agreed to terms, wrote them up, she took the agreement on a plane from Florida to Boston made a few calls on the plane. Brad got outvoted by his family about leaving Boston but a short time later after the NBA season ended, Ainge retired and Brad became general manager. 

There were way too many people at the house when all of this was being discussed in Florida.

[Chris007]

1 minute ago, Pagoda said:

I doubt she was that challenging.  We just don’t know what we’re doing, so she appears challenging.

We had a lot of old rich men in the room and most were intimidated by a smart young woman. So they say she is challenging 

[Golfman25]

12 minutes ago, Pagoda said:

I doubt she was that challenging.  We just don’t know what we’re doing, so she appears challenging.

OH, please tell.  You have the secret to understanding women?  :)   

[LamarCheeks]

I think it's about time we all stop this nonsense, rally around our beloved Hoosiers and throw 100% of our support behind the
KING OF INDIANA! 

Sorry -- I finally got around to listening to the HH podcast. 

Oy-vey! 

[KathywithaC]

5 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Well, my understanding was that we agreed to terms, wrote them up, she took the agreement on a plane from Florida to Boston made a few calls on the plane. Brad got outvoted by his family about leaving Boston but a short time later after the NBA season ended, Ainge retired and Brad became general manager. 

There were way too many people at the house when all of this was being discussed in Florida.

It wasn’t my understanding that there was ever an agreement. We definitely made a written proposal, or at least the broad provisions of one, but it was always a moving target and nobody on the IU side ever felt like he / they were going to say yes. We also had several people on our side who thought they knew how to close the deal, and they were more talk than action.

[IU Prof]

33 minutes ago, KathywithaC said:

That wasn’t my understanding (signed contract) but I was told directly that Mrs. Stevens was a challenge, to say the least. We also had several cooks in the kitchen, each of whom thought they had the code cracked on what it would take to get Stevens. In the end, I don’t think the code really existed.

Yeah, I don't think that's how most (competently run) universities would handle a negotiation of that sort.

[Golfman25]

 

16 minutes ago, LamarCheeks said:

I think it's about time we all stop this nonsense, rally around our beloved Hoosiers and throw 100% of our support behind the
KING OF INDANA! 

Sorry -- I finally got around to listening to the HH podcast. 

Oy-vey! 

Yeah no.  There is only one KING OF INDIANA

 

 

[Brass Cannon]

16 minutes ago, LamarCheeks said:

I think it's about time we all stop this nonsense, rally around our beloved Hoosiers and throw 100% of our support behind the
KING OF INDANA! 

Sorry -- I finally got around to listening to the HH podcast. 

Oy-vey! 

I like coach Cig but I don’t think he’s qualified to coach basketball. But to be fair doesn’t look like woody is either 

[OGIUAndy]

20 minutes ago, KathywithaC said:

It wasn’t my understanding that there was ever an agreement. We definitely made a written proposal, or at least the broad provisions of one, but it was always a moving target and nobody on the IU side ever felt like he / they were going to say yes. We also had several people on our side who thought they knew how to close the deal, and they were more talk than action.

How long have you worked at IU? 

[ap2345]

1 hour ago, Golfman25 said:

Sure.  Stuff happens, especially when wives are involved.  :)  But it is interesting that the guy gave up coaching after that -- maybe his heart just wasn't in it anymore.  

He’s not done coaching 

[ap2345]

54 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Well, my understanding was that we agreed to terms, wrote them up, she took the agreement on a plane from Florida to Boston made a few calls on the plane. Brad got outvoted by his family about leaving Boston but a short time later after the NBA season ended, Ainge retired and Brad became general manager. 

There were way too many people at the house when all of this was being discussed in Florida.

Bingo