They “Retired” Coach Woodson Thread

[wirenuts]

1 minute ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Lol. Wade and Brownell won’t be candidates. There, that’s that. This has been going on for hours.




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Absolutely not. Somehow, we have opinions that IU is going to disregard their "optics" to hire people like beard or wade, when this administration won't even disregard their optics to fire Woodson. It's laughable and sad at the same time

[go iu bb]

1 hour ago, AH1971 said:

Stick to your Stevens delusions, we're over here in the real world.

You're in the real world yet talking about Will Wade as though he's a viable candidate for the IU job when it opens? Okaaaay.....

[AZ Hoosier]

17 minutes ago, Silat Player said:

To be fair, the fans gave both Woodson and Crean more time than they probably should have. Crean deserved a lot more criticism than he received, especially in year 3. That was a much worse year than it should've been. He should have been facing some heat then, but he did have some better players coming in, so that mitigated things a bit, but the team showed some regression that year. 

And Woodson's coaching issues were very evident early in his coaching tenure.

IU fans have gotten a bad reputation among B1G fans for not being patient...

I'm pretty sure Crean got a bit more grace because he was willing to come here and start over after cleaning up the Sampson crap... 

[Pagoda]

24 minutes ago, Scotty R said:

The administration gives coaches time but us fans don't 

Crean got three years to rebuild.  Woody was mediocre to okay for two years and still had very strong support going into year three, then he imploded and the fans noticed we were ranked #100.

It’s pretty amazing how many fans still show up to watch Woody’s terrible program this year.

The fans are pretty reasonable and very supportive given the coaching performances here.

[Herotime]

We aren’t talking enough about firing Mike Woodson, fellas. Back on topic, if you please.

[AH1971]

1 minute ago, AZ Hoosier said:

I'm pretty sure Crean got a bit more grace because he was willing to come here and start over after cleaning up the Sampson crap... 

And was our best coach by far. A shocking coincidence I tell you.

[iu eyedoc]

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2 hours ago, AH1971 said:

This board is in for a rude awakening 6 or so weeks from now despite what you’ve been told for months by the self-proclaimed important people on this board. When May signs that extension with Michigan and Stevens turns us down (again), going to have to pivot fast. You’re talking guys like Ben McCollum, Bucky McMillan, Josh Schertz, etc who are complete crapshoots as next tier candidates. Give me Will Wade over those three in a heartbeat, assuming someone else doesn’t beat us to the punch.

Conservatively there are 50+ college coaches that could do more with less than CMW, considering IU's physical talent is top 15-20, there are literally 50 currently doing more with less  than CMW, the only rude awakening is if they ran it back again with CMW

[AH1971]

3 minutes ago, go iu bb said:

You're in the real world yet talking about Will Wade as though he's a viable candidate for the IU job when it opens? Okaaaay.....

Curious to hear who you think IU goes after once Stevens and May say no? 

[coonhounds]

We aren’t talking enough about firing Mike Woodson, fellas. Back on topic, if you please.

Probably saving it all up for later tonight I am guessing! I am sure wade and brownstain or whatever will be forgotten about and firing woodson at all cost will be top topic in here again

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[VFury]

6 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Lol. Wade and Brownell won’t be candidates. There, that’s that. This has been going on for hours.




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We need to get back to more sensible, realistic candidates, like Brad Stevens.

[Home Jersey]

3 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

Of course you can win big overnight, but that shouldn’t be the expectation or even the #1 priority year 1. Getting a guy in here who can establish a culture and identify 9-10 guys who all fit that culture should be the #1 priority. And then build from there. If it results in 15 wins, so be it. But we can’t or won’t accept that it make take 2 maybe 3 seasons until the old culture is completely overhauled. 
  

 I know what we’ve done the last 25 or so years and it’s never worked. 

Winning big shouldn't be the expectation or even number 1 priority? 

Fans can't or won't accept it taking 2 maybe 3 seasons to overhaul the culture? Whole new roster/staff should fix that. 

The bolded part I somewhat agree with, but don't see why if we have 9-10 talented guys who buy in, why they'd only win 15 games in year 1. 

Feels like you don't have an actual point of view aside from being a contrarian. 

[darB s'tI]

1 minute ago, AH1971 said:

Curious to hear who you think IU goes after once Stevens and May say no? 

AH1971 you're killing all optimism that some of us enjoy!!!  Take your glass half empty posts to the Keep Mike Woodson thread. Kidding, sort of. We want Stevens, we want, May. Etc. Long shot on both, maybe, but there's a general consensus within this specific thread that seem to enjoy the concept of getting a coach we believe in. We're all frustrated, so go get a beer, a bourbon, an edible or whatever tickles your fancy and let's GET BRAD STEVENS. :)

[Class of '66 Old Fart]

1 hour ago, AZ Hoosier said:

Hey, @Class of '66 Old Fart, he said "dude"!

:) :) :) :) :) :) :)

Actually, I'd call Wade a lot worse than that.

[Kentuckysucks]

10 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

Of course you can win big overnight, but that shouldn’t be the expectation or even the #1 priority year 1. Getting a guy in here who can establish a culture and identify 9-10 guys who all fit that culture should be the #1 priority. And then build from there. If it results in 15 wins, so be it. But we can’t or won’t accept that it make take 2 maybe 3 seasons until the old culture is completely overhauled. 
 

I know what we’ve done the last 25 or so years and it’s never worked. 

What we have done for 25 years is consistently hire bad coaches.  I predicted all of them would fail miserably at the time they were hired outside of Sampson.  We just need to hire a good coach.  I will give agree with you that outside of Brad all the other potential hires are very risky.  But this is IU so no sense in arguing about coaches we know will never get hired here.

[AH1971]

Just now, Home Jersey said:

Winning big shouldn't be the expectation or even number 1 priority? 

Fans can't or won't accept it taking 2 maybe 3 seasons to overhaul the culture? Whole new roster/staff should fix that. 

The bolded part I somewhat agree with, but don't see why if we have 9-10 talented guys who buy in, why they'd only win 15 games in year 1. 

Feels like you don't have an actual point of view aside from being a contrarian. 

In year 1? No.

Completely overhauling the last 30 years of mediocrity and non-existent culture should be priority #1. If you win 20+ games, that’s a cherry on top. But it shouldn’t be the expectation that starts the seat warmer going into year 2.

You guts act like I’m crazy but we’ve been doing the same **** over and over the last quarter century.

[MikeRoberts]

29 minutes ago, Silat Player said:

Dude. It just takes one coach. It's like Alabama football. Each coach isn't a slave to the history of the program. Everything is in place to be a monster, all IU needs is the right coach. 

You're so dramatic. LOL

Dude? 

[Home Jersey]

Just now, AH1971 said:

In year 1? No.

Completely overhauling the last 30 years of mediocrity and non-existent culture should be priority #1. If you win 20+ games, that’s a cherry on top. But it shouldn’t be the expectation that starts the seat warmer going into year 2.

You guts act like I’m crazy but we’ve been doing the same **** over and over the last quarter century.

What is it that we've been doing the same for the past quarter century other than making bad hiring/firing decisions? 

What other part of the IU culture needs to change?

Is it the admin? AD? Basketball program? Coaching Staff? Trainers? Players? Fans?

[AH1971]

1 minute ago, Kentuckysucks said:

What we have done for 25 years is consistently hire bad coaches.  I predicted all of them would fail miserably at the time they were hired outside of Sampson.  We just need to hire a good coach.  I will give agree with you that outside of Brad all the other potential hires are very risky.  But this is IU so no sense in arguing about coaches we know will never get hired here.

That’s the problem. We determine a coach isn’t good because he doesn’t win overnight and then it’s over from there. Who thought after 3 seasons Crean was going to win two B10 titles and go to three S16’s in a 5 year period? If Crean was hired under normal circumstances he would have been long gone before then.

[go iu bb]

12 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

Curious to hear who you think IU goes after once Stevens and May say no? 

I'm not sure except that I know that it won't be Wade or Beard. Brownell seems extremely unlikely.

[go iu bb]

What should we discuss now? Oh, I have an idea! It's a crazy idea but bear with me: Let's talk about firing Mike Woodson!