They “Retired” Coach Woodson Thread

[OKHOOSIER]

5 minutes ago, Hornsby said:

Won't all the girls sue and claim discrimination if their sports start getting cut?

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The law only states that it has to be “proportional”. The vast majority of scholarships are not revenue sports. I should have said “Olympic sports”. The big four will survive in my opinion for both genders, sans football obviously. Football, basketball, hockey, baseball/softball and soccer. But that’s before you get into the weeds about scholarships in general. If football breaks from the NcAA they would not be subject to title 9 because, presumably, there would no longer be scholarships as we understand them— that removes title 9 protection for 90-100 women depending on how many scholarships the football team accounts for as they would be “professional” organizations, operating under the license of the school. I am by no means an expert, it’s just my general dumba** understanding. 

[Hornsby]

The law only states that it has to be “proportional”. The vast majority of scholarships are not revenue sports. I should have said “Olympic sports”. The big four will survive in my opinion for both genders, sans football obviously. Football, basketball, hockey, baseball/softball and soccer. But that’s before you get into the weeds about scholarships in general. If football breaks from the NcAA they would not be subject to title 9 because, presumably, there would no longer be scholarships as we understand them— that removes title 9 protection for 90-100 women depending on how many scholarships the football team accounts for as they would be “professional” organizations, operating under the license of the school. I am by no means an expert, it’s just my general dumba** understanding. 

Yeah makes sense without football women would be kind of screwed.

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[go iu bb]

2 hours ago, JF87 said:

Really?  We have to pay players just to visit?  How does that fall into NIL?  I thought the players had to do something to receive the money. (Oops! asked and answered)

Someone (OSU AD? I don't remember) said that football players were charging for visits. But orders of magnitude less than $500k. I think it was still a lot, though, like $5k.

[OKHOOSIER]

4 minutes ago, go iu bb said:

Someone (OSU AD? I don't remember) said that football players were charging for visits. But orders of magnitude less than $500k. I think it was still a lot, though, like $5k.

@Chris007 answered this. The numbers were minimum potential deals to get an OV, not to actually visit. OVs benefit the school even if you don’t get the player, the visibility this year of having multiple 5* guys OV was great for IU until we didn’t land any. A guy like Ware has people helping set a minimum value. Thats more what it meant. Don’t have 500k if I were to commit? Not visiting. 

[rcbowla]

3 hours ago, RaceToTheTop said:

Side note because this wasn''t Woody who said it.  Asking for guesses at who did say it when asked about speculation that he was retiring (FWIW, he was a guy I criticized for how he handled situations last year).

“I have no idea who said that,” (blank) said after Tuesday’s practice. “I’m not sure who said it; I know I didn’t. I have talked to nobody. Whoever is saying that is pure speculation. I’m not going anywhere — unless the school tells me I’m not here — but no, I’m not retiring, that’s for sure.”

So who was it? I'm guessing said coach did in fact retire?? Huggins?

[Golfman25]

1 hour ago, Hornsby said:

I assume at some point then school won't even be required. They will simply be like a union member in the nba.

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Is school "required" now?  For the four year guys, I guess they have that option which is good.  

[go iu bb]

1 hour ago, IUFAN1976 said:

Exactly, I am not a fan of it either, especially in the state it is in now.  It seems like a free for all, and every man for themselves.  They some rules and regulations, IMO but who or what entity is going to police it?  The NCAA doesn’t seem like they want to

The NCAA can't do anything. They're powerless and will lose in court if they try. The only way they can get any power back is if they get Congress to give them anti-trust protection like professional sport leagues. I don't see that happening without the athletes also forming a union. 

[OKHOOSIER]

44 minutes ago, Hornsby said:

Yeah makes sense without football women would be kind of screwed.

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Exactly. Football feeds the entirety and is protected, remove it and its money and lots are screwed. It is my opinion why we (a school that’s never showed any interest in being good at football) paid the largest buyout in B1G history and the 6th highest in history per 24:7. For reference, Texas paid 15.4 to buyout Tom Herman (7th) and LSU paid Orgeron (who won a natty!!) 16.9 (5th). That doesn’t happen in a vacuum unless IU is seeing the writing on the wall and understands being the lovable loser of the B1G isn’t going to guarantee a seat at the big boy table and the checks that come with it. Football is driving everything. NIL is simply a stop gap in the bigger picture.  

[RaceToTheTop]

8 minutes ago, rcbowla said:

So who was it? I'm guessing said coach did in fact retire?? Huggins?

Dana Altman of Oregon.  He didn’t retire but if there is someone worse than woods to fans, it’s him.  After Oregon lost their opener in the NIT at home last year he called out the fans.  He also was absolutely brutal to Ward in the media when he was there.

[IUrocker]

I know a lot of people don’t like how he acts, understood, but he sure says a lot of the things most of us have been feeling on this board in this clip. 

[8bucks]

Just now, IUrocker said:

I know a lot of people don’t like how he acts, understood, but he sure says a lot of the things most of us have been feeling on this board in this clip. 

This week. Wasn’t he singing a different tune last week?  

[IUrocker]

Just now, 8bucks said:

This week. Wasn’t he singing a different tune last week?  

Ha right, proceed with caution. This week I like what he’s saying haha

[TadQueasy]

Love him or hate him, he is dead on in that video.  Completely agree. 

[OKHOOSIER]

8 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

Is school "required" now?  For the four year guys, I guess they have that option which is good.  

It’s never been “required” it just depended on the schools willingness to shoot themselves in the foot if caught. The entire UNC paper class scandal happened before NIL was even a thing. UNC lawyered up, told the NCAA to prove it, they couldn’t of course, and nothing happened. Same things happened with payments at Arizona, LsU, Kansas et al. And some of those had wire fraud issues with the FBI. Can the NCAA do anything about people fired and convicted of wire fraud? Not without the cooperation of the institution. This is why we should have known we were not serious about winning when we self reported too many text messages. And now we are here, and the guy we reported won the Big 12 his first season in it at a former mid major lol. But now all the people who pearl clutch over Sampson are okay with literally buying a roster. It’s laughable. 

[go iu bb]

23 minutes ago, OKHOOSIER said:

@Chris007 answered this. The numbers were minimum potential deals to get an OV, not to actually visit. OVs benefit the school even if you don’t get the player, the visibility this year of having multiple 5* guys OV was great for IU until we didn’t land any. A guy like Ware has people helping set a minimum value. Thats more what it meant. Don’t have 500k if I were to commit? Not visiting. 

I understand that in this case. I'm saying done football players get paid to visit. 

[Capt. Crimson]

Yeagley said there was a meeting tomorrow before Woody return announcement and then that Dolson burner was saying there was a meeting tomorrow as well after the announcement.

Not believing any of it currently, but do we know if there is any sort of meeting actually happening tomorrow?


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[Stuhoo]

37 minutes ago, 8bucks said:

This week. Wasn’t he singing a different tune last week?  

Dan Dakich on March 11, 2024:

”Everybody ever involved with Indiana University Men’s basketball should never comment about the fans, and that includes Mike Woodson, except to say thank you. Period. Because those fans show out. And those fans know.”

Dan Dakich on February 29, 2024:

 

Dakich, again on March 11th:

”A walk-on, err, back up kid that loses the ball every time it gets tough. Every time a tough play needs to be made, Leal loses the basketball.”

Really? REALLY?!!?

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Dan Dakich is a hypocrite and leverages flat out lies as a method to get clicks. Spot on? If anyone is riding with Dakich instead of a kid like Leal… that’s a prime example of someone that “needs to chill.”

[HoosierMoore]

6 minutes ago, Capt. Crimson said:

Yeagley said there was a meeting tomorrow before Woody return announcement and then that Dolson burner was saying there was a meeting tomorrow as well after the announcement.

Not believing any of it currently, but do we know if there is any sort of meeting actually happening tomorrow?


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Average record, Bad Ken POM/NET/etc., BIG 10-10 record, zero recruits, bad home losses, etc.  but hey we have won 4 in a row and Leal likes him. Cancel the meeting. Woodson=Wooden

[OKHOOSIER]

4 minutes ago, go iu bb said:

I understand that in this case. I'm saying done football players get paid to visit. 

It’s possible I guess, but it’s definitely not six figures. Maybe a couple grand walking around money. It isn’t a bottomless pit. It would also have to be funded by bag men or true fans, because coaches still can’t. Unrelated but there are already rumblings that the model isn’t sustainable from the people making big donations to NIL. Which makes sense. If I was a billionaire I might be willing to fund a turn around, but year over year? It’s a terrible investment. And in my experience with rich people, they generally don’t continue doing that with poor ROI.  that’s why I think this comes to a head fairly soon. Even the Simons and Cooks are expecting ROI— in this case, winning.  Nick Saban more or less said he retired because after the Rose Bowl his players wanted to know 2 things to stay, how much money am I going to make, and how much am I going to play. It’s going to be a wild few years once the CFP expands next year. 

[HoosierAloha]

Good couple of wins to close out the season. Hopefully IU makes a run to win the Big Ten and makes it to the Sweet 16 before Woody retires.


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