Fire Coach Woodson Thread

[iu eyedoc 2,004]

55 minutes ago, Hornsby said:

Did anyone honestly believe we were headed back to titles when we hired archie and Woodson? I certainly did not. I didn't like the archie hire and I hated the Woodson hire. Most national media laughed at the Woodson hire that's how crazy it was.

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I, and I think most, expected Woodson and his NBA cred would allow him to lock down the state talent and bring in high level national recruits and that he would lean on the experienced staff he was given to learn the college game and return IU to being a perennial B1G contender and  tourney second weekend team. Then he would take a bow and pass the team on to continue it's rise back to prominence

 

I don't think anyone could have predicted the hubris, laziness,pettiness and contempt.

[bird4par 266]

1 hour ago, str8baller said:

Just because this discussion is kind of fun…in a perverse sort of way…

 

Davis also took over the best program of any of them.  We were still considered elite and one of five blue bloods. Jeffries wasn’t coached by knight but definitely was recruited by him—the same with the rest of that loaded roster Davis inherited. He was by far left the best roster of all our post knight coaches which he promptly ran dry with his Woodson-esque local recruiting. 
 

Which brings me to one name that hasn’t been brought up yet: Eric Gordon. He desperately wanted to play at IU but it was a complete no go with Davis. Oden, Conley, Gordon, Harangody, older Zeller, and about a half dozen more was a good era for in state recruiting. I think you could’ve never left the state and built one, maybe two, championship teams in that era. Davis wasn’t really a factor for any of them.  
 

At the time I honestly thought if Davis left, we’d go back to championships. I can’t even believe I’ve survived 25 yrs of this crap. :/ 

Are you a Dane Fife fan?  Remember the rumbling that if Mike Davis was not retained, he would transfer. 

[JF87 1,471]

8 minutes ago, Five Prime said:

Remember when we all thought we were getting Brad Stevens, like legitimately thought there was a deal being drawn up?  Then he called himself a Masshole and we ended up with Mike Woodson.  The rest of the country had to be laughing.  But then we actually talked ourselves into thinking it may work because he had Dane Fife and Thad Matta to help.  Holy ****, typing that out is depressingly hilarious. 

[Herotime 760]

Off topic. Is there an app for the board for iOS?

[IUFAN1976 3,137]

9 minutes ago, Five Prime said:

Remember when we all thought we were getting Brad Stevens, like legitimately thought there was a deal being drawn up?  Then he called himself a Masshole and we ended up with Mike Woodson.  The rest of the country had to be laughing.  But then we actually talked ourselves into thinking it may work because he had Dane Fife and Thad Matta to help.  Holy ****, typing that out is depressingly hilarious. 

We all thought that.  I was bought in just because of the reason I bolded above.  MW’s ego and arrogance took over and those two were gone pretty much before it really got started and I think the reason why is for the reason most of us didn’t know and that was MW doesn’t report to Dolson and that caused everything to breakdown and MW to get his way.  That should have never been agreed to because that’s caused some issues and that’s why it’s still going to be hard to get rid of him.

[Uspshoosier 45,680]

9 minutes ago, Herotime said:

Off topic. Is there an app for the board for iOS?

Not anymore.  There used to be one but it’s not in the App Store anymore 

[Golfman25 5,406]

20 minutes ago, iu eyedoc said:

I, and I think most, expected Woodson and his NBA cred would allow him to lock down the state talent and bring in high level national recruits and that he would lean on the experienced staff he was given to learn the college game and return IU to being a perennial B1G contender and  tourney second weekend team. Then he would pass the team on to continue it's rise back to prominence

 

I don't think anyone could have predicted the hubris, laziness,pettiness and contempt.

Exactly, he had the place given to him on a platter to be a "hero."  But laziness took over and now he has tarnished his legacy and is going to go out to a chorus of boos.  Sad really.  

[AH1971 1,480]

2 hours ago, OKHOOSIER said:

Using who you play and where is 100% commonplace in recruiting. Playing a G5 or low major on the road at their place is not. There is a distinction. Both things can be true. 

You can count on one hand each season the number of P4 schools who voluntarily schedule true road games against Q3 and Q4 opponents such as Kennesaw State and North Dakota. It is not commonplace in the least because there is literally zero gain. 

[Herotime 760]

6 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

Not anymore.  There used to be one but it’s not in the App Store anymore 

Gracias. I just hate all the adds and drop downs.

[Hornsby 1,920]

We all thought that.  I was bought in just because of the reason I bolded above.  MW’s ego and arrogance took over and those two were gone pretty much before it really got started and I think the reason why is for the reason most of us didn’t know and that was MW doesn’t report to Dolson and that caused everything to breakdown and MW to get his way.  That should have never been agreed to because that’s caused some issues and that’s why it’s still going to be hard to get rid of him.

I'm guessing the Matta and fife thing were done after quinn hired Woodson as a way to try and sell the hire.But Woodson had zero interest in it and this was then doomed from the start. The whole thing was clearly not well thought out or looked at in depth. If this was seriously going to be the plan we may as well kept archie.

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[Golfman25 5,406]

1 hour ago, Hornsby said:

I'm guessing the Matta and fife thing were done after quinn hired Woodson as a way to try and sell the hire.But Woodson had zero interest in it and this was then doomed from the start. The whole thing was clearly not well thought out or looked at in depth. If this was seriously going to be the plan we may as well kept archie.

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I think the reality was that Dolson was trying to make a chit sandwich edible.  

[Pagoda 325]

6 hours ago, Golfman25 said:

I think the reality was that Dolson was trying to make a chit sandwich edible.  

Yea.  When Thad left and was not replaced, it was clear the whole story of a new structure with an Associate AD for BBall was all nonsense.

It's f'ing insane, F'ING INSANE, we hired someone that we felt needed help in Thad and Dane.  If an HC needs that sort of help to learn the college game, that's the wrong guy.  And whaddaya know, he was.

[JSHoosier 20,215]

8 minutes ago, Pagoda said:

Yea.  When Thad left and was not replaced, it was clear the whole story of a new structure with an Associate AD for BBall was all nonsense.

It's f'ing insane, F'ING INSANE, we hired someone that we felt needed help in Thad and Dane.  If an HC needs that sort of help to learn the college game, that's the wrong guy.  And whaddaya know, he was.

The fact no one else wanted him for HC should've said he was the wrong guy. 

 

[str8baller 5,253]

10 hours ago, Hornsby said:

Did anyone honestly believe we were headed back to titles when we hired archie and Woodson? I certainly did not. I didn't like the archie hire and I hated the Woodson hire. Most national media laughed at the Woodson hire that's how crazy it was.

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My last bit of faith died when I waited around for Crean to tear down the program so he could build it exactly like he wanted and he built one team (and awesome one at that) and promptly crapped out and went right back to mediocre. I barely could gather my interest for the Archie years after watching his teams play a little. 
 

I was very skeptical Woody would work out. My interest has somewhat been driven by the new changes with transfers and NIL I have long maintained, before I even joined this board, at such changes would primarily benefit a school like Indiana.  I feel vindicated in that belief, but unfortunately you still need a good coach to steer the ship. Arguably now a good X’s and O’s coach is more important than a good recruiter (the types that have dominated college ball for a while now) because you could theoretically offload ~50% of player acquisition duties to a good GM type. 
 

i’m excited for the upcoming coaching search, simply because they are fun. But I have no confidence IU will get it right.

[str8baller 5,253]

9 hours ago, bird4par said:

Are you a Dane Fife fan?  Remember the rumbling that if Mike Davis was not retained, he would transfer. 

He’s never registered on my radar enough for me to even consider the question. Let me think…yea, I guess I liked him enough as a player. I was around when he was ipfw and he did a decent enough job, I guess. So…I don’t know…
 

The broader question is: wtf would the IU administration be listening to a 21 yr old f’n kid? 21 yr old kids are idiots with the worldly wisdom of gnat. Lots of athletes in his position make loyalty plays for their favorite assistants. Why would any adults even listen to it??? It speaks volumes about how unserious an administration Indiana is/was.  
 

If there were an adult in the room and they had told Fife to pack his bags and head for the Michigan border because we have this young coach named Jay Wright we’re bringing in, would anybody even care? Sure, a lot of the old guard would have cried at the time. But by now they would all lie and say they always knew we should’ve dumped Fife, Alford, Buckner, Gonzo et al and went with the talented young guy who brought us more championships.  
 

I can’t wait for a DC search firm to identify Jerome tang as our top target.

[Pagoda 325]

50 minutes ago, JSHoosier said:

The fact no one else wanted him for HC should've said he was the wrong guy. 

 

Yea.  When the NBA passes on him as a HC for seven years, and he was interviewing for HC jobs, that's a red flag.

[AZ Hoosier 7,174]

Woodson is a horrible coach that no one wanted to hire... and a loathsome human being... 

It's Indiana... It's Indiana.

[Golfman25 5,406]

1 hour ago, Pagoda said:

Yea.  When Thad left and was not replaced, it was clear the whole story of a new structure with an Associate AD for BBall was all nonsense.

It's f'ing insane, F'ING INSANE, we hired someone that we felt needed help in Thad and Dane.  If an HC needs that sort of help to learn the college game, that's the wrong guy.  And whaddaya know, he was.

“We” didn’t hire him.  This was all Buckner’s doing.  He wouldn’t have been hired if Buckner wasn’t bullying people.  

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3 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

“We” didn’t hire him.  This was all Buckner’s doing.  He wouldn’t have been hired if Buckner wasn’t bullying people.  

Agree!

[JSHoosier 20,215]

31 minutes ago, AZ Hoosier said:

Woodson is a horrible coach that no one wanted to hire... and a loathsome human being... 

It's Indiana... It's Indiana.

I don't know if I'd go that far. Large ego and equally thin skin, sure.