Fire Coach Woodson Thread

[NashvilleHoosier 3,675]

22 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

I’ve heard that Ware asked for 500K just to visit. So I’m sure he got another 500K for committing.

I’m not up to speed on current NIL rules, or lack thereof, but this seems like a pretty clear violation of NIL not being allowed to be used for recruiting inducement or pay for play purposes. Maybe that’s changed….or…delete this please :-).

[Bowhunter 2,693]

21 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

No the 500K was the starting point.

Probably 500k was bare minimum to come visit. If we wouldn’t be willing to start there he wasn’t going to bother. I assume that’s what you mean . 

[Feathery 4,005]

31 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

Did IU give him 500K to visit?  As in if he didn't commit to IU, would he have gotten 500K?  That wouldn't seem legal even with NIL.

There is nothing illegal with NIL anymore. NCAA has stopped any and all NIL investigations after they got sued by the states of Tennessee and Virginia. 

[DLG3 1,034]

Ware is such a player. Having him and TJD in back to back years was such a treat. 
I do not expect we will see a third year with such rim protection and scoring capability. 
That does not mean we can't find success, but Woody does value that role a lot. Curious who we land for that slot. 
Guards, guards, guards please... and a wing too. 

I’m gonna be Debbie Downer again and say good luck to Woody finding anything close to what TJD and Ware have provided in back to back years. We are numb to just how good Ware has been because of TJD’s absurd numbers last year. Two absolutely unbelievable seasons (and an all-time great season for TJD) and what is there to show for it? If he can find a third rim protector anywhere close to those 2, he’s more of a magician than a coach.


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[Feathery 4,005]

17 minutes ago, iubb said:

16 million.. thats if the NCAA even exists within the next few years....

Not sure how much people are actually paying attention to this, but they should. The Big Ten and SEC are vastly approaching breaking away from the NCAA, at least for football. Then it’s only a matter time before they take over the tournament (or start a new one with the same requirements)as well. 

[BlueDevil 8,655]

4 minutes ago, DLG3 said:

I’m gonna be Debbie Downer again and say good luck to Woody finding anything close to what TJD and Ware have provided in back to back years. We are numb to just how good Ware has been because of TJD’s absurd numbers last year. Two absolutely unbelievable seasons (and an all-time great season for TJD) and what is there to show for it? If he can find a third rim protector anywhere close to those 2, he’s more of a magician than a coach.


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It’s gonna have to be the expectation if they want to find success next year in this offense. He will have to find something serviceable. A couple knockdown shooters will relieve some of the pressure in the paint as well. If Woodson is all on inside out wanker ball then he needs to get to work. Maybe he can strike a deal with big red liquors for an nba style jersey sponsorship to deepen the pockets with free wine as well. 

[Trish 11,505]

6 minutes ago, Feathery said:

Not sure how much people are actually paying attention to this, but they should. The Big Ten and SEC are vastly approaching breaking away from the NCAA, at least for football. Then it’s only a matter time before they take over the tournament (or start a new one with the same requirements)as well. 

It’s coming within the next 5 seasons. Indiana better hope Curt pans out because Indiana may not be invited while Clemson is left out. 

[Feathery 4,005]

Just now, Trish said:

It’s coming within the next 5 seasons. Indiana better hope Curt pans out because Indiana may not be invited while Clemson is left out. 

My opinion is the Big Ten isn’t taking Clemson. FSU I could see bc they are close to AAU status. I love Clemson football, highly entertaining, but they are going to be in the SEC. 
 

I think the Big Ten will go for FSU and UNC for sure. Then obviously ND and then not sure. I’d love to see Texas A&M to get Texas recruiting footprint. 

[WayneFleekHoosier 47,935]

And that's in year two of nil. What's it going to take in five years triple that?

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Arizona got DeAndre Ayton for 350k. So yes, NIL has really doubled/tripled the top end guys if not more.

Indiana could have had winning teams for a bargain in the past.


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5 hours ago, Stuhoo said:

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[WayneFleekHoosier 47,935]

There is nothing illegal with NIL anymore. NCAA has stopped any and all NIL investigations after they got sued by the states of Tennessee and Virginia. 

He didn’t get the money to visit. I think it was just the amount needed to be offered in order for him to consider a visit.

On that note. Pre-Nil. Lots of families expected 5-10k to do official visits.


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[OKHOOSIER 1,968]

Fun anecdote from a friend/coworker who happens to be a UNC grad that grew up an IU fan: “Only IU could have an alumnus that’s the hottest mid major coach in the country,  and stay with Mike Woodson.”

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9 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

He didn’t get the money to visit. I think it was just the amount needed to be offered in order for him to consider a visit.

On that note. Pre-Nil. Lots of families expected 5-10k to do official visits.


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This makes more sense. Otherwise I would have made a lot more visits.  I remember the time Crean got the big time visitors when he was on the hot seat. Not sure often we played that game but I believe we did then 

[Hornsby 1,651]

Arizona got DeAndre Ayton for 350k. So yes, NIL has really doubled/tripled the top end guys if not more.

Indiana could have had winning teams for a bargain in the past.


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Just think Sean Miller got fired for what became legal two years later. I remember vitale and the national guys screaming college basketball is finished after whole thing broke. Not only isn't it finished they decided to make what miller did legal.

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[SamIam 646]

49 minutes ago, Feathery said:

Not sure how much people are actually paying attention to this, but they should. The Big Ten and SEC are vastly approaching breaking away from the NCAA, at least for football. Then it’s only a matter time before they take over the tournament (or start a new one with the same requirements)as well. 

Yeah people don't realize how many existential threats to the NCAA are developing behind the scenes rn. Best case scenario, the NCAA can get Congress to do something. Then they can regulate NIL, enforce transfer rules and tampering rules etc etc. Most likely scenario, any one of the many pending antitrust cases is handed down, essentially forcing the NCAA to recognize athletes as employees and likely bankrupting them in the process. Even if the NCAA survives that, it likely nukes non-revenue and olympic sports. 

Even in the best case, if Congress acts on the antitrust point,  the NCAA needs to take on the conferences, best case scenario there is that they are able to sever football from all other sports. Thats super unlikely, meaning that the B1G and SEC will take control of CBB and greatly expand the NCAAT. 

Things are gonna get a lot worse unless people start speaking out about how much they dislike all the changes. Unfortunately most people's opinions don't extend past the very nuanced "NCAA Bad" right now. 

[Feathery 4,005]

1 minute ago, SamIam said:

Yeah people don't realize how many existential threats to the NCAA are developing behind the scenes rn. Best case scenario, the NCAA can get Congress to do something. Then they can regulate NIL, enforce transfer rules and tampering rules etc etc. Most likely scenario, any one of the many pending antitrust cases is handed down, essentially forcing the NCAA to recognize athletes as employees and likely bankrupting them in the process. Even if the NCAA survives that, it likely nukes non-revenue and olympic sports. 

Even in the best case, if Congress acts on the antitrust point,  the NCAA needs to take on the conferences, best case scenario there is that they are able to sever football from all other sports. Thats super unlikely, meaning that the B1G and SEC will take control of CBB and greatly expand the NCAAT. 

Things are gonna get a lot worse unless people start speaking out about how much they dislike all the changes. Unfortunately most people's opinions don't extend past the very nuanced "NCAA Bad" right now. 

I don’t want the government to be involved in helping the corrupt NCAA. To be able to govern over NIL there needs to be collective bargaining. Which means the players have to be viewed as employees and Vermont basketball players are working towards that now. Once viewed as employees then college players and collectively bargain with the Big Ten/SEC etc and there can be guard rails. Until then it’s unregulated free market capitalism.

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4 minutes ago, SamIam said:

Yeah people don't realize how many existential threats to the NCAA are developing behind the scenes rn. Best case scenario, the NCAA can get Congress to do something. Then they can regulate NIL, enforce transfer rules and tampering rules etc etc. Most likely scenario, any one of the many pending antitrust cases is handed down, essentially forcing the NCAA to recognize athletes as employees and likely bankrupting them in the process. Even if the NCAA survives that, it likely nukes non-revenue and olympic sports. 

Even in the best case, if Congress acts on the antitrust point,  the NCAA needs to take on the conferences, best case scenario there is that they are able to sever football from all other sports. Thats super unlikely, meaning that the B1G and SEC will take control of CBB and greatly expand the NCAAT. 

Things are gonna get a lot worse unless people start speaking out about how much they dislike all the changes. Unfortunately most people's opinions don't extend past the very nuanced "NCAA Bad" right now. 

Whether it is the NCAA or another body, you're just going to see the pro model -- NFL, NBA, MLB, etc.  Schools will agree to certain rules, salary caps, etc.  Players will go to contracts, so you won't have all this movement every year.  The players these next few years will clean up, but those coming after will get less, in a more organized system.  

[Hoosierfan2017 20,855]

Count me as an NIL hater. It’s professional sports without any regulation. In the NBA you have salary caps, multi-year contracts, maximum amounts. There’s structure. In college basketball every player is a mercenary demanding more money every year or else they’ll bolt and go somewhere else. It will ruin college sports if it continues unchecked. 

[IUFAN1976 2,778]

2 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Count me as an NIL hater. It’s professional sports without any regulation. In the NBA you have salary caps, multi-year contracts, maximum amounts. There’s structure. In college basketball every player is a mercenary demanding more money every year or else they’ll bolt and go somewhere else. It will ruin college sports if it continues unchecked. 

Exactly, I am not a fan of it either, especially in the state it is in now.  It seems like a free for all, and every man for themselves.  They some rules and regulations, IMO but who or what entity is going to police it?  The NCAA doesn’t seem like they want to

[OKHOOSIER 1,968]

4 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Count me as an NIL hater. It’s professional sports without any regulation. In the NBA you have salary caps, multi-year contracts, maximum amounts. There’s structure. In college basketball every player is a mercenary demanding more money every year or else they’ll bolt and go somewhere else. It will ruin college sports if it continues unchecked. 

I support the players getting compensated for their labor. Only sports had ridiculous rules set forth on the players by an outside entity. A student on a full music scholarship can gig and make money, before congress stepped in, players couldn’t get a free cheeseburger. That said, this is entirely the fault of the NcAA fighting to maintain their stranglehold on profits under the farcical guise of “amateurism”. Football is going to kill the NCAA and probably major conferences. When the 75 or so best football teams break off, the NCAA will only have the men’s basketball tournament as their cash cow. We are 100% barreling towards a salary cap, but that can only exist with collective bargaining and players unionizing. We got here because the Universities were greedy but didn’t wanna be the bad guy, the NCAA was also greedy and didn’t mind being the bad guy— at the expense of student athletes.. I hate the idea of buying a team, there has to be some contracts, restrictions on transfers, etc. But that can’t happen until the players have someone to negotiate with. They tried with the NCAA, the NCAA stayed the course, got sued and rightly got shot into the sun by SCOTUS. There may not be a more tone deaf organization than the NCAA. This will kill lots of non revenue sports and it is entirely the fault of the NCAA standing by their archaic practices— for maximum profit. Sorry for the rant lol, I hate the NCAA.