Fire Coach Woodson Thread

[Stuhoo 80,548]

A lot of the "best" choice is about fit, potential, energy, fit, sustained success at a P5 program, longevity, and fit.

Did I say "fit" three times? That's because it is the far and away most important factor.

Therefore, the best choice (with an understanding that no one is a perfect choice) is; 

1) Dusty May

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2) Bruce Pearl

[Hovadipo 56,000]

5 minutes ago, johnsoniu said:

Well, KathywithaC has things fired up

We have a game tonight

Chris is sobering up from his wife's departure

And some will take the # I set as a personal challenge.........so,

The place is a powder keg ready to erupt. I'm going big, I think we hit 600 by tomorrow midnight.

I know you're a gambler because that's a great line. Page 407 was the last segment of the Maryland game. With your factors, I'm really torn, but I'm going over 600 at midnight on 3/8.

Edit: we ticked off another page before I could even get this posted. Unreal.

[SamIam 646]

I do think we all need to take a deep breath, it is quite unlikely that someone on the BoT is wasting their day posting here like us haha 

Credit to Kathywithac for making us cool it a little. We have a habit of making bogeymen out of some of the decision makers. Dolson, Whitten, Buckner etc are all very competent people and great stewards of the University. The fans are upset, true, but there are other stakeholders to consider. When the time comes, QB will listen to facts. I'm sure he believes in his friend/believes he can get it done, who wouldn't support their friend? But we have to understand that these people are running a University first.  They will not make any decision rashly. 

Regarding May, I do think he is an easier sell. A lot of fans are not super comfortable with Pearl's past, and if IU is his dream job it still would be after one more year of Woody. If it's Pearl, the only thing that will be different a year from now is that both BP and MW's buyouts will be diminished by 1yr.  Dusty, however, stands to have a much, much higher buyout next year. And if he succeeds, you may have to live with him at a conference rival for the next few decades. If you think he's the guy, the time is now. 

Happy to continue arguing about Dusty's record with anyone. I've watched a TON of FAU since he was hired and I am confident that he will succeed. But I understand those of you who want a P5 coach. At the end of the day it comes down to this: if we can get BP or DM we should move now to save the '25 class while the damage is minimal. I'm good with whoever the easier sell is to make this move happen. 

[WayneFleekHoosier 48,312]

23 minutes ago, Tom White said:

People do love their conspiracy theories. Probably all of us do to some extent.

It’s a fascinating topic.  Many of which are true spread amongst the most outrageous ones that aren’t.  
 

Cathy knows some stuff.  
 

This morning has been interesting.  
 

 

[Certified Sunshine Pumper 9,095]

1 minute ago, Hovadipo said:

I know you're a gambler because that's a great line. Page 407 was the last segment of the Maryland game. With your factors, I'm really torn, but I'm going over 600 at midnight on 3/8.

Edit: we ticked off another page before I could even get this posted. Unreal.

are you..... challenging me? 

[LamarCheeks 18,802]

24 minutes ago, Hornsby said:

I still cannot believe we blew up the program over Sampson who has averaged 31 wins the last three years. You never ever ever hear about kids being ineligible anymore but we fired him over text messages and kids grades. Houston is laughing at us big time.

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Sampson screwed the program -- not IU. 

The fact that text messages were his violation is irrelevant. The NCAA had busted him for this at Oklahoma, and so when he came here, he already was under sanctions, which limited our recruiting. 

When he was hired, he was told to stop with the illegal texts. He not only did not stop -- but continued, and then lied about it. If Sampson could've just exercised some self-control, who knows -- maybe he'd still be here and we wouldn't be in the mess we still are.  

And don't forget, the NCAA essentially kicked him out of college basketball for five years, so his behavior was deemed pretty egregious. 

[jbeaman9 1,021]

3 minutes ago, Demo said:

AHC at Indiana St. Coached at Butler and Xavier. Heavily connected in-state recruiter. 

This is what I was wondering. May being in Florida for the last several years means he hasn't been visual in the state or may not have the full/proper connections here. Any new coach would need an Indiana recruiting "expert" and massive connection to mend bridges that Woody has broken. 

[theriverpilot 5,593]

30 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

OK since @AZ Hoosier is firing me. I'm going to say this since it's been a good day so far and we have a game tonight.

From what I'm hearing I don't think QB is going to block Dolson from making a move after the season. He might not agree with it but he won't stop it from happening.

That is the good news. The bad news as of today is I would slowly start bracing ourselves that Bruce Pearl might not be the next coach. I'm not sure Dolson can get enough support for it. 

I think IU has a case of FOMO. If I were to guess today and this could change later today or this week I would say Dusty May would be the next coach. 

I feel so hip that I knew what FOMO meant!!  Anyway, May would be a marked improvement although not that grand slam splash most are wanting.

[CrossboneIU22 1,193]

30 minutes ago, Coach Robby said:

Predict what page number any decision will take place on....it's active all day, so I'm gonna go 729

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[Class of '66 Old Fart 84,648]

Coaching Changes @CoachingChanges

Sticking with #IUBB, an unvetted and therefore for the time being untrusted source tells us that Quinn Buckner behind closed doors is not defending Mike Woodson as boisterously as he had been. Not against him, but apparently less for him. I was 95/5 Woody stays. Now I’m 50/50.

[TadQueasy 706]

3 minutes ago, jbeaman9 said:

This is what I was wondering. May being in Florida for the last several years means he hasn't been visual in the state or may not have the full/proper connections here. Any new coach would need an Indiana recruiting "expert" and massive connection to mend bridges that Woody has broken. 

Isn't one of Mays best players from the state of Indiana?  

I agree he would need some good assistants with connections, but that is every coach that comes in.   

May would have a lot of buy in from people from the start IMO.  

[SamIam 646]

One thing we haven't considered is the effect of march madness. If you think the fanbase is a powder keg right now....wait until Purdue makes their run. I'm sure the decision makers will have made their call by then, but if its still Woody the fanbase will be....restless

[TadQueasy 706]

2 minutes ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

Coaching Changes @CoachingChanges

Sticking with #IUBB, an unvetted and therefore for the time being untrusted source tells us that Quinn Buckner behind closed doors is not defending Mike Woodson as boisterously as he had been. Not against him, but apparently less for him. I was 95/5 Woody stays. Now I’m 50/50.

They need to put some respect on our man Chris....untrusted source my rear end! 

[IUc2016 7,121]

6 minutes ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

Coaching Changes @CoachingChanges

Sticking with #IUBB, an unvetted and therefore for the time being untrusted source tells us that Quinn Buckner behind closed doors is not defending Mike Woodson as boisterously as he had been. Not against him, but apparently less for him. I was 95/5 Woody stays. Now I’m 50/50.

Blasphemy! @Chris007 is as vetted and trusted as they come!

[JSHoosier 20,176]

13 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

I don't disagree. And believe me I'm hoping I'm wrong. I love Dusty but think Pearl gets us back to elite quicker

I'm not convinced May does get us back there. I had a 'believe it when I see it' Outlook on Pearl because he doesn't fit IU's holier than thou crap, but I'm sorry May would be a disappointing hire.

[theriverpilot 5,593]

9 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

A lot of the "best" choice is about fit, potential, energy, fit, sustained success at a P5 program, longevity, and fit.

Did I say "fit" three times? That's because it is the far and away most important factor.

Therefore, the best choice (with an understanding that no one is a perfect choice) is; 

1) Dusty May

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2) Bruce Pearl

I'm marking this point in time now but Stu has been the most ardent supporter of May since the start of this thread.  Mad props to him if the May hire becomes a reality, especially after Chris007's new info.

[jbeaman9 1,021]

2 minutes ago, TadQueasy said:

Isn't one of Mays best players from the state of Indiana?  

I agree he would need some good assistants with connections, but that is every coach that comes in.   

May would have a lot of buy in from people from the start IMO.  

Yes, he is from Indiana but what were his HS rankings? Not saying he didn't recruit him but we need bigger recruitment wins and connections to agencies to land big time recruitments. 

[Home Jersey 7,370]

7 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

A lot of the "best" choice is about fit, potential, energy, fit, sustained success at a P5 program, longevity, and fit.

Did I say "fit" three times? That's because it is the far and away most important factor.

Therefore, the best choice (with an understanding that no one is a perfect choice) is; 

1) Dusty May

v

v

v

v

v

2) Bruce Pearl

The upside potential if Dusty works out here would make him the clear cut best candidate on that criteria IMO. But you can only know that with the benefit of hindsight. The potential downsides, though, would leave us right back where we are today. With Pearl you can be relatively sure you'll be in a better place and have good options for the next hire too. The kind of hire Dusty would be right now, is what we tried for in Archie after Crean. Please do not confuse what I'm saying - I think May, having built FAU from basically nothing, is a way better candidate than Archie. But we KNOW Pearl can do this job at this level and do it well. IMO he can meet the moment that we are in right now, better than anyone else who may be up for the task (as far as we are aware). That is why I would hire Pearl over May today, but they are very much options 1A and 1B to me

[Chris007 43,924]

6 minutes ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

Coaching Changes @CoachingChanges

Sticking with #IUBB, an unvetted and therefore for the time being untrusted source tells us that Quinn Buckner behind closed doors is not defending Mike Woodson as boisterously as he had been. Not against him, but apparently less for him. I was 95/5 Woody stays. Now I’m 50/50.

Where is my attorney? Can I not get compensated for some of this? 

[Chris007 43,924]

2 minutes ago, JSHoosier said:

I'm not convinced May does get us back there. I had a 'believe it when I see it' Outlook on Pearl because he doesn't fit IU's holier than thou crap, but I'm sorry May would be a disappointing hire.

So your on record saying you want to stay with Woodson? You and NGW?