Fire Coach Woodson Thread

[str8baller 5,098]

3 minutes ago, lillurk said:

1. Woody gets one more year and brings together a good team — say roughly last year’s or better. This probably includes some genuine strategic changes in roster and play style approaches.

2. There’s an agreement it’s the last rodeo.

He got a raise after last year. Why would he step down after such a team?

[OKHOOSIER 2,033]

10 minutes ago, Hornsby said:

The heck it doesn't. Marland stinks but any win helps Woodson big time.

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Maybe in a vacuum, but that’s why I qualified my statement. Does it help? Sure I guess, but the fundamental and macro problems with the program aren’t changing because of some late season meaningless wins over mediocre teams. For what it’s worth, I think Sparty will run us out of the gym. Time will tell I guess. 

[cleeter 2,123]

Right, I mean I get it. It definitely is hard to have faith in this administration, but it just feels like this could be different. If Dolson happens to think he’s got a guy in the bag, or at least heading smoothly in that direction then you’ve GOT to make the move. I think the comments Dolson said when he fired Allen to get Cignetti relate to the basketball program as well. Looking toward the outlook of the future, setting up for long term success, etc. 
Again, this is mostly wishful thinking on my part and will certainly not be surprised if we find out they let Woodson return. I hope to be pleasantly surprised. 
 
…or Chris could come on here and be like nevermind guys, he’s back now, and I go throw something lol 

I would say I kinda trust Dolson, but I don’t trust anyone else. And sadly, Dolson doesn’t get the final say. He’d have to get President Whitten on board, then get the Board on board after that. Woody has a lot of friends and Quinn has a big hand in the board also


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[cleeter 2,123]

Things can always change that’s what’s scary in all of this. We won’t know anything for almost a month. But Dolson has done the work.

A month? Portal opens on the 18th. We would need to know by then. Can’t wait longer than that.

PS - would you still be willing to share your info once you get it figured out?


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[tomallenfan1 581]

Me being bummed about a win speaks more to my lack of trust in the BOT than anything else. I don’t want to root against IU, but I can’t see another avenue to convince the incompetent decision makers.

[IUc2016 7,121]

1 minute ago, cleeter said:

A month? Portal opens on the 18th. We would need to know by then. Can’t wait longer than that.

PS - would you still be willing to share your info once you get it figured out?


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Yeah I can’t imagine they wouldn’t let woody go/announce a retirement until the end of march. Would be right after BTT.

Now the new hire could for sure be almost a month depending on who it is. 

[DChoosier 8,034]

10 minutes ago, TheWatShot said:

And Derick Queen chose that program over ours, which kind of says a lot about Woodson's lack of recruiting energy (see how I did that? didn't use the word lazy). 

I think it says he listened to his momma who made it very clear she wanted him to play close to home.  

[IUFAN1976 2,813]

10 minutes ago, lillurk said:

I await Chris’s juice like the rest of us, but I’ll say one possibility we haven’t discussed much is something like:

1. Woody gets one more year and brings together a good team — say roughly last year’s or better. This probably includes some genuine strategic changes in roster and play style approaches.

2. There’s an agreement it’s the last rodeo.

There are some issues with the idea. Makes the crucial ‘25 class tough, no obvious successor by his side, hard to project who signs an extension and takes himself off the market or what other jobs are available, so on. But you can squint and see a team next year with almost every contributor back except Ware, healthy Newton, portal guard reinforcements, and McNeeley being quite good.

That leaves IU better than he found it by quite a bit. It gives some younger candidates awhile longer to lengthen resumes (or prove they’re paper tigers).

Not my favorite outcome, but I think it’s clear one way or another there will be someone different in charge long-term. 

Have you watched the last 2 games, the style of play has already occurred.  We are pushing the ball a heck of a lot more and it is leading to more open shots in rhythm 

[AZ Hoosier 6,604]

29 minutes ago, str8baller said:

Alternatively it dovetails with getting X back which was always his reasoning. If you’re a Woody backer this season was just bad luck like any coach has suffered.
 

I would put the odds of him getting a 5th at about 50/50 at this point. 

Partially, yes... from that perspective, Woodson will hang his hat on that... but IF Woodson had gone out and recruited guards and shooters, it would not have mattered if X was out... but with X out, Woodson had no "fall back" plan... ironically, much like Dolson had no "fall back" plan when Stevens said "no"... regardless, I think we're doomed to another year of this BULLSHITE".

[Hoosierfan2017 21,002]

3 minutes ago, tomallenfan1 said:

Me being bummed about a win speaks more to my lack of trust in the BOT than anything else. I don’t want to root against IU, but I can’t see another avenue to convince the incompetent decision makers.

There isn’t. IU 100% doesn’t want to have to fire Woodson. They’ll look for any excuse to bring him back. Winning basketball games isn’t their priority. 

[cleeter 2,123]

Yeah I can’t imagine they wouldn’t let woody go/announce a retirement until the end of march. Would be right after BTT.
Now the new hire could for sure be almost a month depending on who it is. 

BTT ends on the 17th. Selection Sunday is the 17th. Portal opens on the 18th.
If Woodson or staff is recruiting the portal on the 18th, we will know.


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[lillurk 3,738]

3 minutes ago, str8baller said:

He got a raise after last year. Why would he step down after such a team?

1. Maybe he wouldn’t!

2. Chris has hinted he was told he’d get 4 years at one point and the entire approach seems pretty near-sighted; he’s not offering many ‘26s or beyond (recall Crean offering lots of underclassmen, for example). The contract sort of implies that, too, even with the raise the buyout/length didn’t change (and buyout drops to 50% remaining $ owed on 4/1/25).

3. I do wonder if at this point he’s realizing the job is a bit different than he anticipated. No one doubts he wants to succeed OR that he loves IU, maybe he rides off into the sunset to spend time with his new grand baby. He could leave on a high note, program better than he found it, and someone else could level it the rest of the way up.

4. I didn’t make this explicit but I would also guess that if he's retained, the offseason conversation this year would make expectations clear, and due to the contract details mentioned above, it gets a LOT cheaper to move on then.

5. next year is also about the time he’d want an extension if he’s gonna continue, as he’d be down to 3 years left on the original 7 year contract. Would guess there’s no such extension forthcoming unless it’s a Harbaugh-in-2020 type thing where it’s actually easier and or cheaper for both parties to move on in the future. (E.g. if IU is 26-5 next year and he doesn’t plan to hang ‘em up, tack on a year or # but do do so with heavy incentives so you’re not paying a guy to retire when you also have to go out to pay his replacement.)

[Hornsby 1,667]

Maybe in a vacuum, but that’s why I qualified my statement. Does it help? Sure I guess, but the fundamental and macro problems with the program aren’t changing because of some late season meaningless wins over mediocre teams. For what it’s worth, I think Sparty will run us out of the gym. Time will tell I guess. 

If dolson was making the decision alone this wouldn't help Woodson. But my guess is woodsons buddies will push and wins as momentum and
say x is back and the smartest guy in the room was right all along.

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[WayneFleekHoosier 48,053]

This is what I expected. Maryland can’t shoot and they are dumber than us. Perfect matchup to get the W.

I think we probably win the next 2. Or at least 1 of them. It’ll make the optics look worse. That’s the only problem. Players definitely playing a bit more free. But what do they have to lose? Nothing. Tournament is out of the question, so no pressure on them now.

A couple nice performances.


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3 minutes ago, IUFAN1976 said:

Have you watched the last 2 games, the style of play has already occurred.  We are pushing the ball a heck of a lot more and it is leading to more open shots in rhythm 

Yes, they’ve also basically glued the backup frontcourt transfers to the bench and played some minutes w/MM at the 4. He really hasn’t adjusted to the season being 40% as long as the NBA season, these things were obvious to anyone who knew ball in July, let along November, and I don’t get to see practice. 

[Scotty R 2,127]

51 minutes ago, Hornsby said:

He is going to win out and save his job. Unreal.

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Well if he wins out the rest of the season it means we are hanging banner #6

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12 minutes ago, cleeter said:

I would say I kinda trust Dolson, but I don’t trust anyone else. And sadly, Dolson doesn’t get the final say. He’d have to get President Whitten on board, then get the Board on board after that. Woody has a lot of friends and Quinn has a big hand in the board also


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Dolson seemed to actually take the football hire serious, but he's also the guy that hired Woodson them gave him a raise for winning 1 tournament game in 2 years.

[Golfman25 5,088]

48 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

They win 2 games right after Xavier comes back. Guarantee Woodson brings it up again after the game like he did after the last one. He and his buddy Quinn will use it at justification to Dolson - “Look Scott, we would’ve made the tournament if we had Xavier all year! JHS blindsided is and then Xavier got hurt, otherwise we’d have been just fine. Can’t fire us now.” 

And Scott, of course, will dutifully go along with it. I feel sick. It shouldn’t matter but it will to this joke of an administration. 

Well, then it is Scott's duty to ask the follow up question -- Ok Mike, well X is out of eligibility, so who is going to take his place.  Looking at your portal picks last year, there isn't anyone.  Looking at your incoming class of 1, there isn't anyone.  Why haven't you planned for this eventuality?  

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1 minute ago, Golfman25 said:

Well, then it is Scott's duty to ask the follow up question -- Ok Mike, well X is out of eligibility, so who is going to take his place.  Looking at your portal picks last year, there isn't anyone.  Looking at your incoming class of 1, there isn't anyone.  Why haven't you planned for this eventuality?  

Then Quinn steps in to gently remind Scott that he serves as AD at the pleasure of the BOT and should tread carefully. 

[cleeter 2,123]

Dolson seemed to actually take the football hire serious, but he's also the guy that hired Woodson them gave him a raise for winning 1 tournament game in 2 years.

Dolson did hire Cig but had no one holding him back.

Dolson did NOT hire Woodson and did NOT give him the raise. That’s all that shows that he doesn’t have the choice to make the right decision when it comes to basketball

 

 

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