COMPLAIN HERE!

[coonhounds 8,787]

Yes, he’s been much better literally his entire career until now and even those better times were up-and-down. They have two other guys who can play point in a pinch and should’ve prioritized any playable combo/2-guard

Injuries are playing a huge role. He wasn't imo a mentally tough player and we are seeing him struggle because of that. He is I'm his own head and the pressure is to much. I do believe he can get it together but he don't have much time. Hopefully this week

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[DChoosier 7,859]

On 1/22/2024 at 3:23 PM, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

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Personally, I could yell about college basketball all day. Basketball in general really. Plenty of changes I'd love to see from IU to the entire college game in general.

As for IU... Lordy does the program need a makeover. Stuck in the past. I get it... "Tradition" and blah blah blah. I've heard and I don't care. Our tradition right now is sucking. And guess what? Will probably continue that way because the peeps in charge don't know what they are doing. They keep trying to appease 65 year olds rather than 16-45 year olds who want to watch and attend IU. We want an exciting brand of basketball, we instead get Woodson. We want great apparel, we instead stick with Adidas. We want new looks, we just continue the same ole same ole. A ton has to change in the program. From jerseys, court, Assembly Hall renovations, shoe deals, media content, coaching, training... It's literally every aspect of the program. Everything needs an overhaul. We have just spent years trying to polish a turd.

I’m in a group text with 8 IU grads I knew in college, all huge IU basketball fans that graduated  way, way back in the ‘79-‘80 range (ie the “appeased” 65 or so year olds).

I’m curious as to how you think we are being “appeased”.
A few things might surprise you:

* I have my original teeth, hair, know where I am and in good health

* None (zero) of the 9 guys/oldsters in the group care if the coach has IU ties and although all of us were at IU when Woody played NONE of us had him on our wish list

* If you think we like watching the ball being brought up slowly, seeing it “stick” with a guard and then continuously get pounded into the paint you are mistaken.

* We are not tied to Adidas and are in favor of any brand(s) that will attract recruits. When it comes to jerseys/uniforms, which you have mentioned in the past, we don’t care what they look like. Do you think the oldsters are releasing our carrier pigeons (LOL) with messages to Dolson demanding the uniforms don’t change? We don’t give a rip.

* Assembly Hall renovations. Agreed. When I travel to games, once or twice a year, I won’t buy anything on stubhub above the 20th row. The atmosphere in the Hall is my favorite in all of sports but let’s face it, half the seats are bad.

* Lookout but….. 6 of the 9 guys in the group feel that a tradition, “the greatest timeout in basketball”, is corny while the other 3 think it’s great and shouldn’t be touched. We are split on that one.

*As you stated, media content, training, coaching etc must continuously evolve.

* Winning, and good, fun to watch, basketball would cure nearly all ills. Winning masks all the “nice to haves”. IU football was a great example when the place was packed for the 2021 Cincinnati game because fans were under the illusion that the team was going to be a winner.

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich 8,619]

8 hours ago, DChoosier said:

I’m in a group text with 8 IU grads I knew in college, all huge IU basketball fans that graduated  way, way back in the ‘79-‘80 range (ie the “appeased” 65 or so year olds).

I’m curious as to how you think we are being “appeased”.
A few things might surprise you:

* I have my original teeth, hair, know where I am and in good health

* None (zero) of the 9 guys/oldsters in the group care if the coach has IU ties and although all of us were at IU when Woody played NONE of us had him on our wish list

* If you think we like watching the ball being brought up slowly, seeing it “stick” with a guard and then continuously get pounded into the paint you are mistaken.

* We are not tied to Adidas and are in favor of any brand(s) that will attract recruits. When it comes to jerseys/uniforms, which you have mentioned in the past, we don’t care what they look like. Do you think the oldsters are releasing our carrier pigeons (LOL) with messages to Dolson demanding the uniforms don’t change? We don’t give a rip.

* Assembly Hall renovations. Agreed. When I travel to games, once or twice a year, I won’t buy anything on stubhub above the 20th row. The atmosphere in the Hall is my favorite in all of sports but let’s face it, half the seats are bad.

* Lookout but….. 6 of the 9 guys in the group feel that a tradition, “the greatest timeout in basketball”, is corny while the other 3 think it’s great and shouldn’t be touched. We are split on that one.

*As you stated, media content, training, coaching etc must continuously evolve.

* Winning, and good, fun to watch, basketball would cure nearly all ills. Winning masks all the “nice to haves”. IU football was a great example when the place was packed for the 2021 Cincinnati game because fans were under the illusion that the team was going to be a winner.

Well then it sounds like you and your friends are of the minority.

[IUFAN1976 2,791]

8 hours ago, DChoosier said:

I’m in a group text with 8 IU grads I knew in college, all huge IU basketball fans that graduated  way, way back in the ‘79-‘80 range (ie the “appeased” 65 or so year olds).

I’m curious as to how you think we are being “appeased”.
A few things might surprise you:

* I have my original teeth, hair, know where I am and in good health

* None (zero) of the 9 guys/oldsters in the group care if the coach has IU ties and although all of us were at IU when Woody played NONE of us had him on our wish list

* If you think we like watching the ball being brought up slowly, seeing it “stick” with a guard and then continuously get pounded into the paint you are mistaken.

* We are not tied to Adidas and are in favor of any brand(s) that will attract recruits. When it comes to jerseys/uniforms, which you have mentioned in the past, we don’t care what they look like. Do you think the oldsters are releasing our carrier pigeons (LOL) with messages to Dolson demanding the uniforms don’t change? We don’t give a rip.

* Assembly Hall renovations. Agreed. When I travel to games, once or twice a year, I won’t buy anything on stubhub above the 20th row. The atmosphere in the Hall is my favorite in all of sports but let’s face it, half the seats are bad.

* Lookout but….. 6 of the 9 guys in the group feel that a tradition, “the greatest timeout in basketball”, is corny while the other 3 think it’s great and shouldn’t be touched. We are split on that one.

*As you stated, media content, training, coaching etc must continuously evolve.

* Winning, and good, fun to watch, basketball would cure nearly all ills. Winning masks all the “nice to haves”. IU football was a great example when the place was packed for the 2021 Cincinnati game because fans were under the illusion that the team was going to be a winner.

I’m not quite that old yet but I have seen all of IU’s National Championships coached by RMK and I agree with everything you said. Make that 10, I’m inviting myself to your group.  Also, I hate our age group being singled out and blamed for the reason we are losing.  
 

Our program has been bad since the BK firing and it is all due to our administration.   By making Mike Davis the head coach instead of actually getting a more D1 experienced coach was the start of one bad decision after another.  And here we are today, that’s the real root cause.  Don’t blame us older fans, we aren’t all stuck in our ways like Woodson is.

[Stuhoo 79,751]

8 hours ago, DChoosier said:

I’m in a group text with 8 IU grads I knew in college, all huge IU basketball fans that graduated  way, way back in the ‘79-‘80 range (ie the “appeased” 65 or so year olds).

I’m curious as to how you think we are being “appeased”.
A few things might surprise you:

* I have my original teeth, hair, know where I am and in good health

* None (zero) of the 9 guys/oldsters in the group care if the coach has IU ties and although all of us were at IU when Woody played NONE of us had him on our wish list

* If you think we like watching the ball being brought up slowly, seeing it “stick” with a guard and then continuously get pounded into the paint you are mistaken.

* We are not tied to Adidas and are in favor of any brand(s) that will attract recruits. When it comes to jerseys/uniforms, which you have mentioned in the past, we don’t care what they look like. Do you think the oldsters are releasing our carrier pigeons (LOL) with messages to Dolson demanding the uniforms don’t change? We don’t give a rip.

* Assembly Hall renovations. Agreed. When I travel to games, once or twice a year, I won’t buy anything on stubhub above the 20th row. The atmosphere in the Hall is my favorite in all of sports but let’s face it, half the seats are bad.

* Lookout but….. 6 of the 9 guys in the group feel that a tradition, “the greatest timeout in basketball”, is corny while the other 3 think it’s great and shouldn’t be touched. We are split on that one.

*As you stated, media content, training, coaching etc must continuously evolve.

* Winning, and good, fun to watch, basketball would cure nearly all ills. Winning masks all the “nice to haves”. IU football was a great example when the place was packed for the 2021 Cincinnati game because fans were under the illusion that the team was going to be a winner.

58 years old and I co-sign every item on your list about style of play and being open to change. This is list is not 'the minority' of the fan base; it is the fanbase.

[LamarCheeks 18,070]

10 hours ago, DChoosier said:

I’m in a group text with 8 IU grads I knew in college, all huge IU basketball fans that graduated  way, way back in the ‘79-‘80 range (ie the “appeased” 65 or so year olds).

I’m curious as to how you think we are being “appeased”.
A few things might surprise you:

* I have my original teeth, hair, know where I am and in good health

* None (zero) of the 9 guys/oldsters in the group care if the coach has IU ties and although all of us were at IU when Woody played NONE of us had him on our wish list

* If you think we like watching the ball being brought up slowly, seeing it “stick” with a guard and then continuously get pounded into the paint you are mistaken.

* We are not tied to Adidas and are in favor of any brand(s) that will attract recruits. When it comes to jerseys/uniforms, which you have mentioned in the past, we don’t care what they look like. Do you think the oldsters are releasing our carrier pigeons (LOL) with messages to Dolson demanding the uniforms don’t change? We don’t give a rip.

* Assembly Hall renovations. Agreed. When I travel to games, once or twice a year, I won’t buy anything on stubhub above the 20th row. The atmosphere in the Hall is my favorite in all of sports but let’s face it, half the seats are bad.

* Lookout but….. 6 of the 9 guys in the group feel that a tradition, “the greatest timeout in basketball”, is corny while the other 3 think it’s great and shouldn’t be touched. We are split on that one.

*As you stated, media content, training, coaching etc must continuously evolve.

* Winning, and good, fun to watch, basketball would cure nearly all ills. Winning masks all the “nice to haves”. IU football was a great example when the place was packed for the 2021 Cincinnati game because fans were under the illusion that the team was going to be a winner.

 

2 hours ago, IUFAN1976 said:

I’m not quite that old yet but I have seen all of IU’s National Championships coached by RMK and I agree with everything you said. Make that 10, I’m inviting myself to your group.  Also, I hate our age group being singled out and blamed for the reason we are losing.  
 

Our program has been bad since the BK firing and it is all due to our administration.   By making Mike Davis the head coach instead of actually getting a more D1 experienced coach was the start of one bad decision after another.  And here we are today, that’s the real root cause.  Don’t blame us older fans, we aren’t all stuck in our ways like Woodson is.

Agree with most of what these two "veterans" wrote. I'm 55 -- graduated in 1991, so don't go that far back as far as being in school, but was there for the '87 championship (I was on the five-year plan) and watched the '76 and '81 championships as a kid. 

I do like our "greatest timeout" and do like the fact we don't have names on our jerseys -- but if someone were to tell me those would change, I wouldn't kick up a fuss. 

As far as everything else -- yep. Pisses me off that those who've been around are seemingly getting called out for IU's basketball struggles. 

Despite Davis jumping in and keeping the ship afloat, there's no way he should've been given the keys to the program. I believe he interviewed for the Delaware job when Mike Brey left for Notre Dame, and didn't get it. So, he's not good enough for Delaware, but is for IU? Despite the run to the 2002 title game, that hire set us back. 

IU seems to have a habit recently of taking the path of least resistence: Davis get basketball job; Lynch gets football job; Allen gets football job. Could even add Dolson getting the AD job to the list, but that remains to be seen. 

Cracks me up that someone who has not experienced the glory of IU basketball is trying to tell those of us who have that our beliefs are what ail the program -- when they don't even know what our beliefs are!  

[Chris007 43,567]

8 hours ago, DChoosier said:

I’m in a group text with 8 IU grads I knew in college, all huge IU basketball fans that graduated  way, way back in the ‘79-‘80 range (ie the “appeased” 65 or so year olds).

I’m curious as to how you think we are being “appeased”.
A few things might surprise you:

* I have my original teeth, hair, know where I am and in good health

* None (zero) of the 9 guys/oldsters in the group care if the coach has IU ties and although all of us were at IU when Woody played NONE of us had him on our wish list

* If you think we like watching the ball being brought up slowly, seeing it “stick” with a guard and then continuously get pounded into the paint you are mistaken.

* We are not tied to Adidas and are in favor of any brand(s) that will attract recruits. When it comes to jerseys/uniforms, which you have mentioned in the past, we don’t care what they look like. Do you think the oldsters are releasing our carrier pigeons (LOL) with messages to Dolson demanding the uniforms don’t change? We don’t give a rip.

* Assembly Hall renovations. Agreed. When I travel to games, once or twice a year, I won’t buy anything on stubhub above the 20th row. The atmosphere in the Hall is my favorite in all of sports but let’s face it, half the seats are bad.

* Lookout but….. 6 of the 9 guys in the group feel that a tradition, “the greatest timeout in basketball”, is corny while the other 3 think it’s great and shouldn’t be touched. We are split on that one.

*As you stated, media content, training, coaching etc must continuously evolve.

* Winning, and good, fun to watch, basketball would cure nearly all ills. Winning masks all the “nice to haves”. IU football was a great example when the place was packed for the 2021 Cincinnati game because fans were under the illusion that the team was going to be a winner.

I'm 47 and I'm in on all of this. I will say I kind of like Adidas myself but my son who will be at IU next year doesn't have much IU stuff because he likes Nike. As far as Assembly Hall goes I refuse to sit higher than row 25. My wife calls me a snob because when someone offers me tickets I immediately ask where are the seats. If it's higher than row 25, then I would rather watch it on TV. 

[Dave from Dayton 2,964]

My wife and I graduated with the undefeated team.  In '82 I earned my engineering degree...not from Purdue but from Wisconsin.   I cheer for Wisconsin hockey...and that is it for UW.

We watch and cheer each and every game that IU basketball plays.  I even watch losses till the buzzer.

IU has stuck a fork in the men's basketball program since RMK.  I do not want IU to cheat but with OSU's football NIL over $13 million just this year alone...what the heck is cheating anymore?  Face it, college football and basketball are now professional sports.

Changes are coming more rapidly than ever before.  Everything is on the table.  Change it if it means a successful basketball program.  

What does the Indiana University administration view as a successful basketball program?  How do they plan to get there?  Since RMK IU has churned through one misfit after another.  This old guy is tired of it.  Been tired of it.

I'm thinking that Bloated Chicken Sammy is in error when assuming that old guys want only IU guys coaching and certain named brands and little change.  I will even sit in row 33 or 34 and be happier than a pig in $4!+ if they win.  Traditions are fun, but winning is 'funner'

Change it.

[Stuhoo 79,751]

18 minutes ago, Dave from Dayton said:

Traditions are fun, but winning is 'funner'

^^This^^

[Hovadipo 55,116]

1 hour ago, IUFAN1976 said:

I’m not quite that old yet

 

1 hour ago, Stuhoo said:

58 years old

 

1 hour ago, LamarCheeks said:

 

I'm 55 

 

1 hour ago, Chris007 said:

I'm 47

I'm 30 and have no input other than you guys are OLD. What was it like when they switched over to color TV?!

[Chris007 43,567]

Just now, Hovadipo said:

 

 

 

I'm 30 and have no input other than you guys are OLD. What was it like when they switched over to color TV?!

I've always had color TV in my lifetime thank you, unless I was watching Andy Griffth reruns. But I was in better shape when my parents made me get up to change the channel because remote controls weren't a thing yet. It sucked being the youngest. 

[johnsoniu 6,291]

3 minutes ago, Hovadipo said:

 

 

 

I'm 30 and have no input other than you guys are OLD. What was it like when they switched over to color TV?!

It was real, and it was spectacular 

[go iu bb 5,532]

27 minutes ago, Hovadipo said:

 

I'm 30 and have no input other than you guys are OLD. What was it like when they switched over to color TV?!

 

25 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

I've always had color TV in my lifetime thank you, unless I was watching Andy Griffth reruns. But I was in better shape when my parents made me get up to change the channel because remote controls weren't a thing yet. It sucked being the youngest. 

46. Like Chris I always had color TV but did have an outside antenna that would have to be adjusted and at one time tried the bunny year antenna (with foil!).

However, I do remember text based operating systems (DOS) and when video games were basically large blocks shooting other large blocks with smaller blocks or all text.

As far as the basketball team, make any changes needed to make it a winning program. I'd be down for names on jerseys, moving away from Adidas to basically anything else other than UA, etc.

[Stuhoo 79,751]

54 minutes ago, Hovadipo said:

I'm 30 and have no input other than you guys are OLD. What was it like when they switched over to color TV?!

A few things:

1. You suck.
2. I very much like your new sig line about how Robbie Hummel actually sucks.
3. I am old and bald-ish (strictly a style choice) but ran a 5k in under 30 min last weekend and hooped in the city park three weeks ago. So I am immature and bouncy in contradiction with my old-ness.
4. You suck.

 

[Scotty R 2,127]

2 hours ago, LamarCheeks said:

 

Agree with most of what these two "veterans" wrote. I'm 55 -- graduated in 1991, so don't go that far back as far as being in school, but was there for the '87 championship (I was on the five-year plan) and watched the '76 and '81 championships as a kid. 

I do like our "greatest timeout" and do like the fact we don't have names on our jerseys -- but if someone were to tell me those would change, I wouldn't kick up a fuss. 

As far as everything else -- yep. Pisses me off that those who've been around are seemingly getting called out for IU's basketball struggles. 

Despite Davis jumping in and keeping the ship afloat, there's no way he should've been given the keys to the program. I believe he interviewed for the Delaware job when Mike Brey left for Notre Dame, and didn't get it. So, he's not good enough for Delaware, but is for IU? Despite the run to the 2002 title game, that hire set us back. 

IU seems to have a habit recently of taking the path of least resistence: Davis get basketball job; Lynch gets football job; Allen gets football job. Could even add Dolson getting the AD job to the list, but that remains to be seen. 

Cracks me up that someone who has not experienced the glory of IU basketball is trying to tell those of us who have that our beliefs are what ail the program -- when they don't even know what our beliefs are!  

Without us older fans how would the younger fans ever got into IU basketball and their history. I would think most of the younger crowd became fans of IU because their fathers or grandfathers brought them up in an IU home. I know more and more our students are coming from farther away and probably didn't even know about IU basketball before they attended IU. To those fans how dare you blame us older fans who has stuck with the program through thick and thin.

[Stuhoo 79,751]

2 minutes ago, Scotty R said:

Without us older fans how would the younger fans ever got into IU basketball and their history. I would think most of the younger crowd became fans of IU because their fathers or grandfathers brought them up in an IU home. I know more and more our students are coming from farther away and probably didn't even know about OU basketball before they attended IU. To those fans how dare you blame us older fans who has stuck with the program through thick and thin.

^^ Hey LCS - there are still some "get off my lawn" throwbacks!  ;)   ^^

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich 8,619]

Indiana needs to evolve. Who doesn't want Indiana to evolve? The old farts on the BoT and old fart donors.

[Scotty R 2,127]

2 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

^^ Hey LCS - there are still some "get off my lawn" throwbacks!  ;)   ^^

Not really because I have been saying for years that AH needed to go. I don't care if we switched sho companies. I was also in the minority in the late 90's saying it was time to move on from RMK. I just have way more respect for fans who grew up watching IU sports and it has been their over some people from New York who didn't even know about IU basketball 

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich 8,619]

Could you imagine if Indiana basketball changed the entire look of the court for once? Completely changed the uniforms? Hospitals would be filling up with candy striped old farts.

[Scotty R 2,127]

1 minute ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

Could you imagine if Indiana basketball changed the entire look of the court for once? Completely changed the uniforms? Hospitals would be filling up with candy striped old farts.

Nobody cares what the uniforms looks like or the court. As long as they don't go like Oregon's horrible uniforms or court