COMPLAIN HERE!

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At least our swimming program is good.

 

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7 hours ago, JF87 said:

Tom Izzo had issues at Michigan State that are as bad as what Alford did at Iowa.  

I agree that Izzo isn’t the beacon of ethics.

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5 hours ago, JF87 said:

Izzo and his staff spoke to a witness prior to the police speaking with them.  Could be an innocent mistake, but it looks bad. 

I don’t know the details of that.  Just know that Alford enlisted the school’s chaplain and Christain athletic group to try to get the victim to drop the case.

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5 hours ago, Dave from Dayton said:

I perceived, correctly or incorrectly, that IU did not support Archie Miller in certain ways.  He had a really good guard recruited to land at Dayton.  Coach Miller and that recruit discussed the possibility of asking out of that commitment and getting a new LOI and scholarship at Indiana.  Archie then, within a week or so, changed his mind about offering a scholarship.  The recruit got out of his LOI with Dayton and went..ahem...elsewhere.  IU then had Josh Newkirk.  Not the best point guard in the Big Ten.  A lot less talent than X, today.  Why did IU not allow Archie to bring in his recruit?

We also had some locker-room issues left over from previous years.  And was Archie Miller able to 'Crean' them to control that?  No.  Why? Because of the Student-Athlete Bill of Rights or some such.  That and the APR.

And was Archie Miller's recruiting allowed to reach out?  Well, contrary to what happened with Tom Crean...burning bridges with Indiana high school coaches, Archie did focus on Indiana.  With mixed success.  

I reflect on what the post, above, says about Glass upping Miller's budget.  I did not hear or see that.  Interesting.  Tom Crean had a huge recruiting budget.  Flew everywhere with assistants.  Made offers with anyone who made eye contact.    

At UD Archie got the teams to perform better than the sum of their parts.  Archie failed that at IU.  Why?  Was it that the Indiana players were brought in under a different coach and scheme.  (ie.  Run faster. vs Methodical and Pack line Defense.)  Fans were used to flash.   Booed Archie and the team.   Blame to the head coach.  Routine.

Fans wanted the Crean flim-flam flash back.  Well, vocal ones did.  Social media loaded up on Archie Miller.  Without a point guard that was one of the best in the Big Ten and a team that did not buy into the pack line defense.  It was over.

Archie Miller, in my opinion was not a flash in the pan.  He was the flavor of the year as a mid-major coach that turned Dayton around and got into the NCAAT and graduated players.  Now people, some on this site, are suggesting up and coming coaches as prospects.  That was Archie Miller.

He was not a good fit at IU.  Could he have been?  Under different conditions?  Those are not the correct set of questions.

I did not have Archie Miller on my short list when his name was announced.   I thought, like a lot of fans, that he knew his X's and O's.  He was a great coach at Dayton.   But we wondered if that would transfer well to Indiana.  Could he recruit?  Could he handle players with larger egos?  Could he handle a P5 basketball first large university?  It was a huge risk.  But the Administration was trying something different.  A successful mid-major, when others were not interested.  That and/or they had serious warts that Archie Miller did not have.  

Archie was fully supported. He just sucked. His system sucked. His coaching ability sucked. His player development sucked. He is just a young Mike Woodson. And both suck.

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1 hour ago, southernindianahoosier2 said:

Ya I remember hearing about the APR issues. Wasn’t the player in question Obi Toppin? 
 

My personal opinion is that there’s no scenario in which Archie is successful here. I’m not denying that the admin probably hamstrung him a bit. But the head coach at IU not only has to lead his team but also the fan base.

Crean was too bizarre, Archie too meh, etc.

Why is it so hard for us to find a coach that will just sit down with Don F or the assembly call and state “here’s the reality of what I’m looking to eliminate, here’s what I’m looking to add, and here’s how we’re gonna do it” vs the classic coach speak of “we just have to get over the hump, we didn’t make shots” 

The moment the coach of IU stops being real with the fans is when we turn. We’re either your biggest asset or liability, and they just seem to ignore us. 
 

If I was AD at IU I’d tell the bball coach to pick a podcast just speak the truth about your vision to the fans

I thought it was McKinley Wright, he was committed to Daytin then when IU hired Miller went to Colorado.

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1 hour ago, coonhounds said:

Dude Archie Miller had his opportunity here. He had support but he was terrible. I do however believe whole heartedly he is a better coach than Woodson. Neither coach can teach shooting though lol

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Eh, Woodson made the tournament with Miller's players twice.  They're both bad though.

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2 minutes ago, JSHoosier said:

I thought it was McKinley Wright, he was committed to Daytin then when IU hired Miller went to Colorado.

I think that's right. Not really sure he would have helped anymore his freshman year than Josh Newkirk. Honestly can't say whether if have Newkirk or Johnson this season. I will say, Newkirk did way less stupid crap.

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Eh, Woodson made the tournament with Miller's players twice.  They're both bad though.

I would argue with you but there is no point they are definitely both bad. Still praying Woodson can figure something out

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Archie was fully supported. He just sucked. His system sucked. His coaching ability sucked. His player development sucked. He is just a young Mike Woodson. And both suck.

They both stink. But that is who iu hires. Heck archie cannot even win at Rhode island

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2 minutes ago, coonhounds said:

I would argue with you but there is no point they are definitely both bad. Still praying Woodson can figure something out

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I'm skeptical he does. There's a reason no one was looking at Woodson as a HC when we hired him, he hadn't one in nearly a decade so it's not because he was 60, and I think we're seeing it.

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I hate it when Ted Valentine calls any game.

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6 minutes ago, OliviaPope40 said:

I hate it when Ted Valentine calls any game.

Paul Szelc or however you spell it is equally bad 

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I hate it when Ted Valentine calls any game.

I can't believe he is till around. Been long enough. The knight altercation was 25 years ago lol

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I'm skeptical he does. There's a reason no one was looking at Woodson as a HC when we hired him, he hadn't one in nearly a decade so it's not because he was 60, and I think we're seeing it.

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38 minutes ago, coonhounds said:

I can't believe he is till around. Been long enough. The knight altercation was 25 years ago lol

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At least he has an excuse now for not seeing a foul ….

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3 hours ago, southernindianahoosier2 said:

Ya I remember hearing about the APR issues. Wasn’t the player in question Obi Toppin? 
 

My personal opinion is that there’s no scenario in which Archie is successful here. I’m not denying that the admin probably hamstrung him a bit. But the head coach at IU not only has to lead his team but also the fan base.

Crean was too bizarre, Archie too meh, etc.

Why is it so hard for us to find a coach that will just sit down with Don F or the assembly call and state “here’s the reality of what I’m looking to eliminate, here’s what I’m looking to add, and here’s how we’re gonna do it” vs the classic coach speak of “we just have to get over the hump, we didn’t make shots” 

The moment the coach of IU stops being real with the fans is when we turn. We’re either your biggest asset or liability, and they just seem to ignore us. 
 

If I was AD at IU I’d tell the bball coach to pick a podcast just speak the truth about your vision to the fans

I’d love to actually hear past coaches jump on a podcast and tell all. I’m sure that’s not possible, as most places will likely have them under an NDA. 

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3 hours ago, Ryno6284 said:

I'm sick and effing tired of the Chiefs!  Man, I wanted Lions vs. Ravens in the Super Bowl!

I’m sick of the Chiefs and the Kelce/Swift being ran into the ground.  But as a 49ers fan, I am ecstatic, very happy!  At least one of my teams win!

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22 hours ago, Uspshoosier said:

 

“You know what you did, you wrecked this program” 

Crean went out of his way to confront him. Like him or not, the dude cared about this program and wanted to succeed. 

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1 hour ago, coonhounds said:

I would argue with you but there is no point they are definitely both bad. Still praying Woodson can figure something out

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I wouldn’t count on it this year, his roster is flawed.

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1 hour ago, IUFAN1976 said:

I wouldn’t count on it this year, his roster is flawed.

Ya also he mentioned playing Mgbacko at the 4. Does he plan on having 3 post players on the court at once?