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[Scotty R 2,790]

1 hour ago, Five Prime said:

Let me put it this way...

What is the one thing you would change about IU basketball in the last 30 years?

For me it's firing Sampson.

For me it hiring Sampson in the first place  that was the mistake. If it wasn't for the President Herbert and let the AD hire his guy Beilein then every would have worked out. It wasn't the phone calls that did Sampson in but it was having drug dealers and pimps on his team.

[RaceToTheTop 27,620]

1 hour ago, Five Prime said:

Ironically, Indiana fell into a hire that may have put them at the forefront of a lot of the "under the table" stuff that is now widely acceptable.  A la Saban at Bama.  Coincidence he retired shortly after NIL and free transfers?

But that's completely irrelevant to you saying that IU's biggest mistake was 'firing Sampson'.  Sampson wasn't hired now. He was hired at a time where his actions put him under a five year show cause and out of the NCAA for six season.

[southernindianahoosier2 949]

22 hours ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

This hire was Quinn Buckner's hire and he's the one to blame.  It wasn't Dolson's choice.  FWIW, Buckner's term on the BOT expires in the summer of 2025.  He'll be 70, but I have no idea if there's any age limit and he'll have to step down.

Safe to assume that Buckner and friends placed Dolson in that position. And Dolson has no power to hire his own pick or fire Woodson? 

[Golfman25 6,112]

24 minutes ago, southernindianahoosier2 said:

Safe to assume that Buckner and friends placed Dolson in that position. And Dolson has no power to hire his own pick or fire Woodson? 

Not sure I would go that far.  But it is clearly a team effort -- see what they all, including Pres Witten,  have said about the Cig hire.  

I am thinking Woodson was the "in case of emergency break glass" plan B after the guy who no longer coaches turned us down.  

[southernindianahoosier2 949]

2 hours ago, Dave from Dayton said:

IU shot itself in the foot multiple times with Sampson.  

1. Hiring a coach on probation is questionable to say the least.

2. Then not accepting the challenge of monitoring and controlling Sampson at the time of signing the contract and for his coaching time at IU is worse.  Holy Crappola.  

3.  It was inevitable that scores of impermissible phone calls would leak.  Someone involved would hear something and then it was in the phone records.  Rumors of pot smoking and skipping classes and failing grades and etc......

4.  In my opinion, it was to put a cloud over the program or to bite the bullet.  Neither was the choice of champions.

5.  Once that happened.  Oh yeah.  Dan D. is such a treat.  He could not recruit at BGSU because of over supervision and mental abuse...in my opinion.  He got rid of most of the players.  Controversy, yes.  Right decision?  I have my opinion, but that does not matter.

6.  Tom Crean was on the outs up at Marquette.  He could not sustain recruiting without Dwayne Wade.  He did the bait and switch on some recruits and oversold every. darn. thing.   He did not know an X from an O.  He was quirky.  And never would be consistent.  But we hired him anyway.

7.  That is what happens when you churn through coaches.  What recruit would think that the new coach will be around forever?  Got to pay lots more money to get the best...a tried-and-true coach.  At IU? Lol.

Does anyone on this board know who it was at IU that self reported on Sampson? You don’t have to share their names but would love to have more context here because WTF… are they still employed by IU? 

 

[IUFAN1976 4,213]

3 minutes ago, southernindianahoosier2 said:

Does anyone on this board know who it was at IU that self reported on Sampson? You don’t have to share their names but would love to have more context here because WTF… are they still employed by IU? 

 

It was probably Dakich, he had a motive!  

[TheWatShot 14,720]

4 minutes ago, southernindianahoosier2 said:

Does anyone on this board know who it was at IU that self reported on Sampson? You don’t have to share their names but would love to have more context here because WTF… are they still employed by IU? 

 

I remember reading that the excessive calls were discovered by an intern. 

[Golfman25 6,112]

Look IU has been going downhill athletically for quite some time in terms of administration.  Starting with Myles Brand.  He had a vision 180 degrees opposite of what Power 5 sports are today.  He was on the wrong side -- would have been great as an IVY League dude.    

President Witten looks to be the change towards modern NCAA athletics.  She gives the impression you can do both -- excel in academics and athletics.  She's a sports fan, and I'll bet has some sort of athletic background.  So at least we have that going for us.  

[Class of '66 Old Fart 87,199]

1 hour ago, southernindianahoosier2 said:

Safe to assume that Buckner and friends placed Dolson in that position. And Dolson has no power to hire his own pick or fire Woodson? 

As president of the BOT, Buckner is pretty much all-powerful and if gathered enough support from the other board members he could fire President Whitten.  So no, Dolson can't fire Woodson.  As to the first part of your question I don't think anyone on btb knows exactly what hire/fire powers Dolson truly has.   But other than for Woody being forced upon him, do you feel Dolson has made other "bad" hires?  And didn't he raise the money to get rid of CAM and didn't he pull the plug on CTA?  I'm sure those decisions weren't made in a vacuum but I've never heard one whisper that Buckner or anyone else pulled Dolson's strings.  They certainly never called me and asked me for my OK.

Edited January 28, 2024 by Class of '66 Old Fart
Corrected a name

[IUFAN1976 4,213]

1 minute ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

As president of the BOT, Woodson is pretty much all-powerful and if gathered enough support from the other board members he could fire President Whitten.  So no, Dolson can't fire Woodson.  As to the first part of your question I don't think anyone on btb knows exactly what hire/fire powers Dolson truly has.   But other than for Woody being forced upon him, do you feel Dolson has made other "bad" hires?  And didn't he raise the money to get rid of CAM and didn't he pull the plug on CTA?  I'm sure those decisions weren't made in a vacuum but I've never heard one whisper that Buckner or anyone else pulled Dolson's strings.  They certainly never called me and asked me for my OK.

Me neither!  I feel really left out!

[southernindianahoosier2 949]

Side note…. strategically from an AD’s perspective …. Your goal at Indiana is to win a Title. It’s very easy once the coach is in the position to see if said coach has the juice to win one…. If the coach doesn’t have the juice, you need to be strategic in working towards getting your man, maybe that takes 2 years, maybe longer.

Championship caliber coaches appear every 5-8 years… Stevens, Beard, (possibly May)…

So if you’ve got a dud, be patient and wait for that championship coach to appear, then make your move regardless of your current situation. 

I don’t like this idea that “we’re churning through coaches” we’re not. The reality is IU has no program strategy. If you don’t believe me ask yourself what the brand of IUBB is.

its because of this we won’t fire a coach when we should, and then are forced to scramble and hire a flash in the pan guy like Archie Miller

 

 

[AZ Hoosier 8,746]

1 hour ago, southernindianahoosier2 said:

Safe to assume that Buckner and friends placed Dolson in that position. And Dolson has no power to hire his own pick or fire Woodson? 

Sounds like Buckner and the BOT has tied his hands... if Woody is Buckner's boy, there's nothing Dolson can do to cut Woody loose... so once again, IU puts people in place then hog-ties them to prevent them from doing the job that they were hired to do.

But the $10M question is this: does Buckner REALLY think Woody is getting it done? He can't be that naive, blind or stupid, right?

[southernindianahoosier2 949]

2 minutes ago, AZ Hoosier said:

Sounds like Buckner and the BOT has tied his hands... if Woody is Buckner's boy, there's nothing Dolson can do to cut Woody loose... so once again, IU puts people in place then hog-ties them to prevent them from doing the job that they were hired to do.

But the $10M question is this: does Buckner REALLY think Woody is getting it done? He can't be that naive, blind or stupid, right?

So an intern turns us in for sanctions….

Then your comments above….

In summary - The biggest decisions for Indiana basketball are made by people who should never be making them 

[Kentuckysucks 2,933]

23 minutes ago, AZ Hoosier said:

Sounds like Buckner and the BOT has tied his hands... if Woody is Buckner's boy, there's nothing Dolson can do to cut Woody loose... so once again, IU puts people in place then hog-ties them to prevent them from doing the job that they were hired to do.

But the $10M question is this: does Buckner REALLY think Woody is getting it done? He can't be that naive, blind or stupid, right?

He doesn't care.  His friendship with Woody is more important than what is best for the program.

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51 minutes ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

As president of the BOT, Woodson is pretty much all-powerful and if gathered enough support from the other board members he could fire President Whitten.  

You mean Buckner, correct? 

[Dave from Dayton 3,659]

3 hours ago, southernindianahoosier2 said:

So an intern turns us in for sanctions….

Then your comments above….

In summary - The biggest decisions for Indiana basketball are made by people who should never be making them 

Stop, please stop speculating something that has no facts recently on this thread or this board.

Common sense says that the intern would have told superiors.  If I remember correctly that is in fact what happened.  Then the Administration investigated by looking at cell phone usages.

You want to excoriate an intern on rumors for likely the decisions of higher ups?  And there was an assistant that gave testimony against Coach Sampson for the NCAA.  And that assistant coach actually helped make calls.  

Remember when Tom Crean went off in the handshake line up at Michigan* on some assistant coach.  Tom yelled that that assistant had taken down IU but was an involved cheater on the illegal phone calls?  That assistant had gotten a negotiated deal with the NCAA, got no sanctions, and threw IU and Sampson under the bus.  *Error corrected.

Google it.  

[Dave from Dayton 3,659]

1 hour ago, southernindianahoosier2 said:

Does anyone on this board know who it was at IU that self reported on Sampson? You don’t have to share their names but would love to have more context here because WTF… are they still employed by IU? 

 

Google it.  It was in the news.  And discussed on all the fan sites ad nauseum.  Do some homework.  

[Dave from Dayton 3,659]

1 hour ago, IUFAN1976 said:

It was probably Dakich, he had a motive!  

I really dislike what Dan D says and how he handles himself.  But Dan was not involved directly in recruiting.  Seems, after multiple people questioned his involvement, her really did not twig onto the phone calls and lots of other stuff.  Heck, he had just gotten hired and the stuff hit the fan within a few months.  Not likely his direct involvement in blowing a whistle.   Dan is likely so darn clean he could do ads for Mr. Clean.  Not kidding.  But he is an 4$$.  But he is perfect.  Just ask him. 

[Class of '66 Old Fart 87,199]

18 minutes ago, LamarCheeks said:

You mean Buckner, correct? 

Senior moment.  Corrected it.  Thanks for pointing it out.

[southernindianahoosier2 949]

46 minutes ago, Dave from Dayton said:

Google it.  It was in the news.  And discussed on all the fan sites ad nauseum.  Do some homework.  

I don’t believe that an intern caused this. Like what was the real reason we pulled the rip cord?