*RANT HERE*

[woodenshoemanHoosierfan 6,561]

  On 1/20/2024 at 6:01 PM, Hoosier987 said:

[mention=9180]Scotty R[/mention]
was this your email to the admin? I kid…lol. This guy went on quite the email. Apparently posted on a different board.
 To whom It May Concern: My name is Dr. Douglas J. Wilson. I am a two time IU alum and a season ticket holder in both football and basketball. I have been a donor of IU athletics for over 20 years. I am seriously considering severing all ties with my once beloved university. The pride I use to feel as an IU alumni and supporter of the university is gone. I am embarrassed by both the lack of committment and the tolerance of mediocrity to IU athletics by the IU administration. The neglect, mismangement of funds, direct siphoning of funds from the Big Ten tv contract, and the total ignorance of IU athletics over the past 20 years is unacceptable. Specifically, the IU football and basketball programs. The survey of possible football upgrades and what I would be willing to pay for those upgrades has not set well with me. Why would I spend more money and donate more for continued mediocrity. If IU does not want to commit to athletics both financially and administrative support wise then why should I spend anymore money on IU or IU athletics? The contract extension and huge buyout on Tom Allen's contract was a very poor decision. The firing of coach Archie Miller was welcomed by most alumni. But after an extensive search IU hires Mike Woodson. Mike seems to be a nice guy but here are the facts. He had been coaching in the NBA for 35+ years. He was an assistant coach and was a very mediocre head coach. He had not coached in the college game ever. Had he not played at IU he would have never been considered. No other division 1 program would have even considered him as a candidate for the head coach position. But alas, IU did so I tried to support him but its been an abysmal failure. Let's look at the results and where the IU bb program stands 2.75 year later. His roster construction should be a fireable offense. Everyone knows IU needed shooters in the spring. But IU not only didn't land any guards, but Mike chose to enter the season with an unused scholarship. That is neglect of duty and should be a fireable offense. He has failed to land any high school kids, let alone quality shooters in over 2 years, until Liam this year. He appears to hate recruiting and lets the assistants do all the legwork. He chose to have an elective knee procedure during an active recruiting cycle. Thus, he cancelled some visits with recruits and then they chose to go elsewhere. That surgery was elective and could have been done during a dead recruiting period. That is neglect and should be a fireable offense. He runs a slow plodding, pound the ball down load offense. This was a good offense in the 1970's and maybe even the 1980's. But it is 2023. The 3 point shot has changed the college game. In today's game the 3 point shot has to be a major focal point of your offense and Mike has totally ignored that in almost 3 years as a coach. He continues to use NBA type substitutions where you pull all 5 starters and go with a second unit. This isn't the NBA. It's college basketball. 3 starters must be on the floor at all times. There are many games to date where IU had an 8-10 point lead, he pulls 4-5 starters and 5 minutes later we are down by 10 and then we never recover. Everyone knows that except Mike. In addition he appears to be a very low energy and uninspired guy. Our teams reflect that. We seem to be low energy, uninspired, uninterested team. We are very undisciplined. It appears the team is uninspired, lacks motivation, and uninterested in the games. They often look like a team that doesn't care if they win or lose. Since he has been here here we had half the team sneak out of the hotel the night before the Northwestern game, a player caught speeding and going 90 mph up walnut, then when stopped by police tried to change seats with a passenger, we have a player who got in a dispute at Taco Bell because he refused to leave, we have a player that has received multiple technicals, and now three straight game with a flagrant foul and 2 out of the last 3 games a player was ejected for a flagrant 2 foul. There appears to be no accountability and no repercussions. I AM embarrased by our IU bb team. So too is Don Fischer apparently. Does the IU administration even care? It's time to pull the plug on this terrible Mike Woodson experiment. He is too old, too stubborn, too far removed from playing in college to understand how the college game is played. In todays NIL era it's time for IU to dump their holier then thou atttitude and do what's right. Either terminate iis athletic department and stop pretending it cares about athletics OR do what is right and hire the best candidate for the job. IU should be able to spend $10 million/year on its head BB coach. Use that money to get one of Scott Drew, Billy Donovan, or Chris Beard. Or spend $7 million a year on either Dusty May or Porter Moser. I would love to discuss this further with anyone from the IU Administration. Sincerely, Douglas J. Wilson, O.D. IU grad 1993 & 1997

Great letter

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[AZ Hoosier 9,819]

  On 1/20/2024 at 6:01 PM, Hoosier987 said:

@Scotty R

was this your email to the admin? I kid…lol. This guy went on quite the email. Apparently posted on a different board.

 To whom It May Concern: My name is Dr. Douglas J. Wilson. I am a two time IU alum and a season ticket holder in both football and basketball. I have been a donor of IU athletics for over 20 years. I am seriously considering severing all ties with my once beloved university. The pride I use to feel as an IU alumni and supporter of the university is gone. I am embarrassed by both the lack of committment and the tolerance of mediocrity to IU athletics by the IU administration. The neglect, mismangement of funds, direct siphoning of funds from the Big Ten tv contract, and the total ignorance of IU athletics over the past 20 years is unacceptable. Specifically, the IU football and basketball programs. The survey of possible football upgrades and what I would be willing to pay for those upgrades has not set well with me. Why would I spend more money and donate more for continued mediocrity. If IU does not want to commit to athletics both financially and administrative support wise then why should I spend anymore money on IU or IU athletics? The contract extension and huge buyout on Tom Allen's contract was a very poor decision. The firing of coach Archie Miller was welcomed by most alumni. But after an extensive search IU hires Mike Woodson. Mike seems to be a nice guy but here are the facts. He had been coaching in the NBA for 35+ years. He was an assistant coach and was a very mediocre head coach. He had not coached in the college game ever. Had he not played at IU he would have never been considered. No other division 1 program would have even considered him as a candidate for the head coach position. But alas, IU did so I tried to support him but its been an abysmal failure. Let's look at the results and where the IU bb program stands 2.75 year later. His roster construction should be a fireable offense. Everyone knows IU needed shooters in the spring. But IU not only didn't land any guards, but Mike chose to enter the season with an unused scholarship. That is neglect of duty and should be a fireable offense. He has failed to land any high school kids, let alone quality shooters in over 2 years, until Liam this year. He appears to hate recruiting and lets the assistants do all the legwork. He chose to have an elective knee procedure during an active recruiting cycle. Thus, he cancelled some visits with recruits and then they chose to go elsewhere. That surgery was elective and could have been done during a dead recruiting period. That is neglect and should be a fireable offense. He runs a slow plodding, pound the ball down load offense. This was a good offense in the 1970's and maybe even the 1980's. But it is 2023. The 3 point shot has changed the college game. In today's game the 3 point shot has to be a major focal point of your offense and Mike has totally ignored that in almost 3 years as a coach. He continues to use NBA type substitutions where you pull all 5 starters and go with a second unit. This isn't the NBA. It's college basketball. 3 starters must be on the floor at all times. There are many games to date where IU had an 8-10 point lead, he pulls 4-5 starters and 5 minutes later we are down by 10 and then we never recover. Everyone knows that except Mike. In addition he appears to be a very low energy and uninspired guy. Our teams reflect that. We seem to be low energy, uninspired, uninterested team. We are very undisciplined. It appears the team is uninspired, lacks motivation, and uninterested in the games. They often look like a team that doesn't care if they win or lose. Since he has been here here we had half the team sneak out of the hotel the night before the Northwestern game, a player caught speeding and going 90 mph up walnut, then when stopped by police tried to change seats with a passenger, we have a player who got in a dispute at Taco Bell because he refused to leave, we have a player that has received multiple technicals, and now three straight game with a flagrant foul and 2 out of the last 3 games a player was ejected for a flagrant 2 foul. There appears to be no accountability and no repercussions. I AM embarrased by our IU bb team. So too is Don Fischer apparently. Does the IU administration even care? It's time to pull the plug on this terrible Mike Woodson experiment. He is too old, too stubborn, too far removed from playing in college to understand how the college game is played. In todays NIL era it's time for IU to dump their holier then thou atttitude and do what's right. Either terminate iis athletic department and stop pretending it cares about athletics OR do what is right and hire the best candidate for the job. IU should be able to spend $10 million/year on its head BB coach. Use that money to get one of Scott Drew, Billy Donovan, or Chris Beard. Or spend $7 million a year on either Dusty May or Porter Moser. I would love to discuss this further with anyone from the IU Administration. Sincerely, Douglas J. Wilson, O.D. IU grad 1993 & 1997

This does a good job of expressing a sentiment held by a large portion of the fan base...

[HoosierTrav 8,185]

  On 1/20/2024 at 7:58 PM, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Honestly, at some point it stops being “the state of the program” and just becomes “the program.” Maybe we’re approaching that point. 11 tournaments in the past 22 seasons. 

This is Indiana Basketball. It’s not approaching it. The entirety of college basketball’s followers see IU, and the fans expectations, as a complete joke. We are the only ones who take the program seriously. 
 

The time has come where they need to take risks in their next hire. I imagine we are 3-5 years away from not having enough fan support to fill assembly hall. 

 

I hope like hell they can fix it. But I seriously doubt it.  Does anyone blame me? 

 

 

[HoosierHoopster 7,741]

  On 1/20/2024 at 7:51 PM, IndyResident16 said:

You find the state of the program acceptable?

Lol, do you then. It’s embarrassing.

Lol your schtick here is so predictable— “do you”

[IndyResident16 567]

  On 1/20/2024 at 9:10 PM, HoosierHoopster said:

Lol your schtick here is so predictable— “do you”

My “schtick”? Calling out unacceptable basketball?

[Hornsby 3,570]

  On 1/20/2024 at 9:04 PM, HoosierTrav said:

This is Indiana Basketball. It’s not approaching it. The entirety of college basketball’s followers see IU, and the fans expectations, as a complete joke. We are the only ones who take the program seriously. 
 
The time has come where they need to take risks in their next hire. I imagine we are 3-5 years away from not having enough fan support to fill assembly hall. 
 
I hope like hell they can fix it. But I seriously doubt it.  Does anyone blame me? 
 
 

If the iu administration had wanted to fix iu bbal they never would have hired Woodson or even archie for that matter. Sadly starting to wonder if it will ever get turned around. It sure as heck won't with our current low energy coach. Starting to miss even the last few knight teams that got bounced early in the tourney. Thing is they always made it though.

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[IUFAN1976 4,320]

  On 1/20/2024 at 9:23 PM, Hornsby said:

If the iu administration had wanted to fix iu bbal they never would have hired Woodson or even archie for that matter. Sadly starting to wonder if it will ever get turned around. It sure as heck won't with our current low energy coach. Starting to miss even the last few knight teams that got bounced early in the tourney. Thing is they always made it though.

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Heck, I’m starting to miss Tom Crean’s excessive clapping!

[Hoosier987 2,106]

  On 1/20/2024 at 9:23 PM, Hornsby said:

If the iu administration had wanted to fix iu bbal they never would have hired Woodson or even archie for that matter. Sadly starting to wonder if it will ever get turned around. It sure as heck won't with our current low energy coach. Starting to miss even the last few knight teams that got bounced early in the tourney. Thing is they always made it though.

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Hell, Davis resigned when the team was a 7 seed in the tournament and made a round of 32. In today’s IU athletics that warrants a $1,000,000 raise!

[IndyResident16 567]

  On 1/20/2024 at 9:26 PM, IUFAN1976 said:

Heck, I’m starting to miss Tom Crean’s excessive clapping!

Sometime in 2010 or 2011, I watched the Indiana students storm the court after a win against unranked Minnesota. I remember sitting in my seat and burying my head in my hands thinking “this is it, there’s nowhere else to go but up from here, right”? That for me was the low point of my Indiana fandom and the first realization the IU program will never be the same again. It somehow one upped every year.

[IUFAN1976 4,320]

  On 1/20/2024 at 9:33 PM, IndyResident16 said:

Sometime in 2010 or 2011, I watched the Indiana students storm the court after a win against unranked Minnesota. I remember sitting in my seat and burying my head in my hands thinking “this is it, there’s nowhere else to go but up from here, right”? That for me was the low point of my Indiana fandom and the first realization the IU program will never be the same again. It somehow one upped every year.

Yes, that wasn’t a good moment in IU basketball history. 

[Hornsby 3,570]

  On 1/20/2024 at 9:27 PM, Hoosier987 said:

Hell, Davis resigned when the team was a 7 seed in the tournament and made a round of 32. In today’s IU athletics that warrants a $1,000,000 raise!

And that was with dj white out the whole season. I remember somebody saying don't fire crean unless you have a sure fire winner lined up. Turns out they were right

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[Hoosier987 2,106]

  On 1/20/2024 at 9:40 PM, Hornsby said:

And that was with dj white out the whole season. 
 

Yup. I think DJ fractured his foot if memory serves. 

[str8baller 6,794]

  On 1/20/2024 at 9:27 PM, Hoosier987 said:

Hell, Davis resigned when the team was a 7 seed in the tournament and made a round of 32. In today’s IU athletics that warrants a $1,000,000 raise!

That’s an interesting way to put it.
 

But that was twenty years ago. At that point he’d missed the tourney the two years prior  and we hadn’t missed the NCAA tournament for twenty straight years. After Davis’s run there were people who were convinced Knight was holding the program back and Davis was the future because he could recruit where Knight had fallen off. 

 

 We aren’t the same program. 

[Golfman25 6,317]

  On 1/20/2024 at 7:08 PM, Hoosier987 said:

The Staff is low energy / looks uninterested and it reflects in our play. 

What the hell are you talking about?  Armond Hill actually shifted in his seat during the game at Wisconsin.

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich 9,120]

Listen... ITH almost never goes against the program. Basically will ride in the lane of neutral to sunshine pumping. Going outside of that shows a problem... A BIG problem. But out team media is what will get our voices heard.

[Banksyrules 5,295]

  On 1/20/2024 at 10:17 PM, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

Listen... ITH almost never goes against the program. Basically will ride in the lane of neutral to sunshine pumping. Going outside of that shows a problem... A BIG problem. But out team media is what will get our voices heard.

This is true.  I used to give them tips and then quickly realized that they were always afraid of losing their press access. 

[Golfman25 6,317]

The great coaches all are able to adjust -- to personal, to game matchups, to league rules, etc.  To date, Mike Woodson has shown an inability to make such adjustments.    

[LIHoosier 27,433]

  On 1/20/2024 at 6:56 PM, Hovadipo said:

Yeah I’m sure Scott (and definitely not his secretary) is going to read that wall of text, consider all of Doug’s ball opinions, send a thoughtful response, and take action.

Curious how much Dr. Dougie Buckets actually gives. If his last name was Cook, Dolson would be at his estate making him dinner to patch things up right now.

[Rico 3,441]

I started suspecting after the Purdue debacle.  Then last night confirmed my suspicions that I am all "ranted" out.

[Hoosier987 2,106]

  On 1/20/2024 at 9:58 PM, str8baller said:

That’s an interesting way to put it.
 

But that was twenty years ago. At that point he’d missed the tourney the two years prior  and we hadn’t missed the NCAA tournament for twenty straight years. After Davis’s run there were people who were convinced Knight was holding the program back and Davis was the future because he could recruit where Knight had fallen off. 

 

 We aren’t the same program. 

Agree we’re not the same program. My point was showing how drastically things have changed in just 2 decades.