Game Thread: vs. Northwestern 1/8/23 at Noon on FS1

[cthomas 6,416]

51 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Whatever happens to guys once they arrive at IU is beyond me. 

IU girls?

[Brass Cannon 24,710]

There literally no reason to keep Woodson. Even the greatest of sunshine pumpers can’t possibly think we will be better next year.  After 3 less than successful years a coach has no recruiting mandate.  That being said I imagine if anything Woody gets an extension because we played so hard that last 90 seconds 

[HoosierAloha 30,068]

27 minutes ago, JSHoosier said:

Some previous players calling this crap out.  Now if another certain previous player would do something about the team's lack of effort.

Someone should've apologized to the member of the 53 team, Burke Scott, for being subjected to this.

At least we have former players welcome around the program again though. #amirite

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich 8,672]

7 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

At least we have former players welcome around the program again though. #amirite

I'm not sure that's a good thing since they have to watch that pathetic product. Billy Mays couldn't sell this trash. 

[JSHoosier 20,167]

21 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

At least we have former players welcome around the program again though. #amirite

I wish we would've made Reynolds the AD.  May not help, couldn't get worse.

[JSHoosier 20,167]

15 minutes ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

I'm not sure that's a good thing since they have to watch that pathetic product. Billy Mays couldn't sell this trash. 

All I can hear thinking about that is "Billy Mays here with....oh screw it, I'm not paid enough for this crap".

[kreigh8 2,046]

1 minute ago, JSHoosier said:

I wish we would've made Reynolds the AD.  May not help, couldn't get worse.

Did the AD have to be a former IU guy? Why not hire a AD who's seen what it takes to run successful program in football and basketball? Dolson didn't exactly learn from the best in that department

[JSHoosier 20,167]

26 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

There literally no reason to keep Woodson. Even the greatest of sunshine pumpers can’t possibly think we will be better next year.  After 3 less than successful years a coach has no recruiting mandate.  That being said I imagine if anything Woody gets an extension because we played so hard that last 90 seconds 

Don't put that out there.

[JSHoosier 20,167]

Buie and Audige combined for 45 points, but only 2-7 from 3. Embarrassing.

[Brass Cannon 24,710]

12 minutes ago, JSHoosier said:

Don't put that out there.

Let’s be honest it wouldn’t even be the dumbest thing we have done in recent memory 

[JSHoosier 20,167]

3 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

Let’s be honest it wouldn’t even be the dumbest thing we have done in recent memory 

That'd be funny if it wasn't so sad.

[Golfman25 5,330]

1 hour ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Matt Painter recruits guys we’d never want and somehow finds a way to get them to produce. I remember scoffing when @btownqb said we should recruit Braden Smith and now Painter has him starting/playing 29 mpg on the #1 team in the country. We regularly lose to teams with less ‘talent.’ Whatever happens to guys once they arrive at IU is beyond me. 

Painter is a system guy.  Doesn't find the "best" players but finds the right players and puts him into a system for the betterment of the team.  That's why, year in and year out, he's  in the mix.  

[Golfman25 5,330]

1 hour ago, HoosierAloha said:

Sure it's more than just coaching. You have to recruit talent that wants to be coached, instructed, developed, and led. You have to surround them with similarly like-minded players. When your culture is part-time e and e we get the product we've seen in the recent past. Woody was supposed to change that. It doesn't take years to set a baseline.

It does if you keep the last coach's players.  I am starting to think Woody should have just blown it up and started from scratch.  

[str8baller 5,214]

15 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

Painter is a system guy.  Doesn't find the "best" players but finds the right players and puts him into a system for the betterment of the team.  That's why, year in and year out, he's  in the mix.  

Doesn’t every coach have a system of some sort? 

[TheWatShot 13,934]

14 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

It does if you keep the last coach's players.  I am starting to think Woody should have just blown it up and started from scratch.  

Fanbase would have rioted if he tried that. Our fans are obsessed with familiarity and keeping things together. The Sampson to Crean exodus made that a perpetual fear. 

[Uspshoosier 45,608]

1 hour ago, HoosierAloha said:

Sure it's more than just coaching. You have to recruit talent that wants to be coached, instructed, developed, and led. You have to surround them with similarly like-minded players. When your culture is part-time e and e we get the product we've seen in the recent past. Woody was supposed to change that. It doesn't take years to set a baseline.

Woody had a chance to let players that have been in the program and losing culture move on and leave.   He decided to convince these guys to come back for another year.   Sometimes no matter how much players have meant to a program it’s just time for them to move on.   Change is scary for coaches and fans but starting fresh without players from a previous culture might have been the move in this case especially with the portal.   The safe and comfortable thing to do is exactly what woody did.   Sometimes clean slate is the better move.    Easy for me to second guess after the fact though 

[str8baller 5,214]

1 hour ago, JSHoosier said:

A member of the 53 title team was in attendance.  I bet he loved seeing what this program has turned into.

To be fair, in his life time the program went from nothing to the best program in America, at one point, and then back to the festering heap of nothingness it is now.  
 

So maybe there’s some life symmetry…or something…to the whole thing for him. 

[Brass Cannon 24,710]

6 minutes ago, str8baller said:

Doesn’t every coach have a system of some sort? 

Yep some just suck. Archie ball for example 

[Hoosierfan2017 21,324]

7 minutes ago, str8baller said:

Doesn’t every coach have a system of some sort? 

If Woody does, I can’t tell what it is. And that’s not me being snarky. I really don’t know what “Mike Woodson basketball” is supposed to look like. 

[str8baller 5,214]

3 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

If Woody does, I can’t tell what it is. And that’s not me being snarky. I really don’t know what “Mike Woodson basketball” is supposed to look like. 

Last year, I would’ve said good man 2 man defense, and offense that is predicated on making sure your star gets a tough every possession (pretty standard NBA stuff).  
 

I’m not sure what the heck they’re doing this season. They look lazy, unmotivated and play rather dumb basketball most of the time.  
 

I’m generally fine giving a coach a couple years to get going, but the last month of basketball is so bad at the very basics of basketball and competitive sport that I don’t know how the blame gets assigned to anyone but the head coach.