IUBB @ Iowa - Thursday, 1/5/23 @ 9:00 on FS1

[HoosierAloha 30,068]

11 minutes ago, Gnet550 said:

Showing he is about as big of an idiot as his dad....not only should Fran have got a T, but he came across half court and was jawing too, he should have also received one.  We scored 89 points, I don't think their defense was quite as destructive as he thinks.  Did we have some bad plays/stretches, sure, but scoring 89 shows he's an idiot.  Our defense was the major issue, obviously, giving up 91.

I just looked at our FG% for the game. I guess it takes skill to lose that game with those percentages. Wow!

[HoosierCoop 3,926]

I haven't read every page in this thread, but is anyone curious about Geronimo?

At the end of last season, I thought he could be an NBA prospect.  I was hoping that he would not transfer and come in and be a beast.  As a Junior he looks like a Freshman out there.  Bad hands, lost on defense, and clueless when he gets the ball.

Man, that is killing me.

[HoosierAloha 30,068]

3 minutes ago, pumpfake said:

I said nothing about Murray.  Race was playing hard going to the glass  and looking for TJD.  No one did that after he was injured.

Took the statement in bold and THAT is key to mean Race was holding Murray in check.

Completely agree Race looked focused and like he came to play to start last night.

[KingPG21 6,584]

JHS was great. TJD was great Injuries continue to be an issue

 

This sport will be better when pyschos like Frannie Mac are gone. 

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13 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Agreed. Sometimes I wonder if Woodsen isn't like Tom Allen in being old school where the freshman needs to learn from not playing for a year or two. But we already play two freshmen so not sure. Will he make mistakes yes but he won't be afraid to look for his shot as some other guys are.

I thibk some of it is a carry over from the NBA, specifically player substitution patterns.  NBA seasons and games are much longer and coaches need to keep players fresh.  IMO, it's frustrating that our starters seem to need shorter stints than our opponents (my perception).

[Hoosierfan2017 21,324]

IU basketball tends to follow a pattern. We hire a new coach. There’s a lot of excitement. Everyone thinks we hired the guy who will turn around the program. The coach recruits pretty well to start. Then we struggle on the court. Recruiting slows down. We suck. We buy out the coach. Rinse, repeat.

Which stage are we in with Woody? This year was supposed to be our big year with next year being our down year. Big 10 championship talk for this year. We certainly don’t look like a contender right now. Recruiting isn’t going well. We have the #36 recruiting class at the moment with only two commits - #70 and #93. No bigs and no shooting in the class. 

Woodson’s highs may be a little higher than Archie’s, and his lows not quite as low , but I don’t think he’ll peak as high as Crean. Time will tell. 

[JSHoosier 20,164]

15 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

I just looked at our FG% for the game. I guess it takes skill to lose that game with those percentages. Wow!

Yeah, if they weren't at the charity stripe they shot pretty well.  

[JSHoosier 20,164]

3 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

IU basketball tends to follow a pattern. We hire a new coach. There’s a lot of excitement. Everyone thinks we hired the guy who will turn around the program. The coach recruits pretty well to start. Then we struggle on the court. Recruiting slows down. We suck. We buy out the coach. Rinse, repeat.

Which stage are we in with Woody? This year was supposed to be our big year with next year being our down year. Big 10 championship talk for this year. We certainly don’t look like a contender right now. Recruiting isn’t going well. We have the #36 recruiting class at the moment with only two commits - #70 and #93. No bigs and no shooting in the class. 

Woodson’s highs may be a little higher than Archie’s, and his lows not quite as low , but I don’t think he’ll peak as high as Crean. Time will tell. 

So he might not suck as bad as Miller (low standard) but worse than a wildly mediocre Crean.  Oof.

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14 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

Took the statement in bold and THAT is key to mean Race was holding Murray in check.

Completely agree Race looked focused and like he came to play to start last night.

It's frustrating that RT seemed not as focused recently but then comes out fighting last night and promptly gets injured.  It's like groundhog day sometimes...

[WayneFleekHoosier 48,298]

16 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Agreed. Sometimes I wonder if Woodsen isn't like Tom Allen in being old school where the freshman needs to learn from not playing for a year or two. But we already play two freshmen so not sure. Will he make mistakes yes but he won't be afraid to look for his shot as some other guys are.

Nah. JHS is getting bulk minutes.  Reneau has been given opportunities, and is making the worst of them. Gunn is a Gunner.  Sometimes hot, sometimes not.  Is he a better shooter than Bates?  Better decision maker?  I’d argue Banks needs more run too, maybe.  
 

At this point, I’d play guys who defend 1v1 with a passion.  We have almost no one.  Maybe Galloway.  Trayce at times.  Lock your man down and if you switch lock the next man down.  This team needs to remember the effort it takes to defend adequately.  Gunn isn’t this type of a defender (yet-hopefully). And neither is Bates.

 

But we are losing a lot of games because of Basketball IQ, decision making, and laziness.  
 

Long story short, if Gunn will defend and take smart shots.  But I think Woodson is concerned about these things. 

[Golfman25 5,330]

14 minutes ago, Alford Bailey said:

We are going to struggle against a zone as long as TJD won't shoot.  He's got to be willing to shoot when he gets the entry at the FT line.  Without it, the zone become impenetrable, especially if he's nursing an injury.  

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4 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

IU basketball tends to follow a pattern. We hire a new coach. There’s a lot of excitement. Everyone thinks we hired the guy who will turn around the program. The coach recruits pretty well to start. Then we struggle on the court. Recruiting slows down. We suck. We buy out the coach. Rinse, repeat.

Which stage are we in with Woody? This year was supposed to be our big year with next year being our down year. Big 10 championship talk for this year. We certainly don’t look like a contender right now. Recruiting isn’t going well. We have the #36 recruiting class at the moment with only two commits - #70 and #93. No bigs and no shooting in the class. 

Woodson’s highs may be a little higher than Archie’s, and his lows not quite as low , but I don’t think he’ll peak as high as Crean. Time will tell. 

All true.  My only minor quibble is that we should expect this season to be good, we never should have expected anything close to a NC.  Now with two injured starters, I'm not sure what our expectations should be.

[Hoosier987 1,146]

56 minutes ago, Banksyrules said:

I don’t care about big ten titles like others do but if Woodson could somehow make everyone healthy and gelling by the time the tournament starts with Bates being a better shooter… we could be a scary team.  

I think this is what we’re going to have to hope for this year. We may have to try and play our way in the tournament with the last couple games and BTT and then hope for the best. Similar to a NC last year. 

[NashvilleHoosier 3,703]

1 hour ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

At some point we need the promise to come through in his performance. The guy’s halfway through his junior year and gets lost like a freshman on the court. At some point you have to wonder if he just is what he is.

Absolutely, which is why I said I'm skeptical. But the only positive I can think about is we'll at least get to find out. Seems like he's had a very short leash these last 2 seasons and often rightfully so. If he's ever going to have the chance to play through some of these mistakes and figure out if he even can, it's now.

[Chris007 43,910]

24 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Nah. JHS is getting bulk minutes.  Reneau has been given opportunities, and is making the worst of them. Gunn is a Gunner.  Sometimes hot, sometimes not.  Is he a better shooter than Bates?  Better decision maker?  I’d argue Banks needs more run too, maybe.  
 

At this point, I’d play guys who defend 1v1 with a passion.  We have almost no one.  Maybe Galloway.  Trayce at times.  Lock your man down and if you switch lock the next man down.  This team needs to remember the effort it takes to defend adequately.  Gunn isn’t this type of a defender (yet-hopefully). And neither is Bates.

 

But we are losing a lot of games because of Basketball IQ, decision making, and laziness.  
 

Long story short, if Gunn will defend and take smart shots.  But I think Woodson is concerned about these things. 

But we've seen these older guys defend and play. They are who they are. Run some of the younger guys

[HoosierAloha 30,068]

56 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

IU basketball tends to follow a pattern. We hire a new coach. There’s a lot of excitement. Everyone thinks we hired the guy who will turn around the program. The coach recruits pretty well to start. Then we struggle on the court. Recruiting slows down. We suck. We buy out the coach. Rinse, repeat.

Which stage are we in with Woody? This year was supposed to be our big year with next year being our down year. Big 10 championship talk for this year. We certainly don’t look like a contender right now. Recruiting isn’t going well. We have the #36 recruiting class at the moment with only two commits - #70 and #93. No bigs and no shooting in the class. 

Woodson’s highs may be a little higher than Archie’s, and his lows not quite as low , but I don’t think he’ll peak as high as Crean. Time will tell. 

Don't forget about us running our mouths about what we're going to do or the players talking about hanging banners in the Hall.
Extremely easy to talk, anyone can do it, but it's another thing to actually put in the work to get there.

Now we have injuries that will excuse any poor play even though we were playing that way before the injuries. I guess playing those cupcakes did serve a purpose.

[Chris007 43,910]

1 minute ago, HoosierAloha said:

Don't forget about us running our mouths about what we're going to do or the players talking about hanging banners in the Hall.
Extremely easy to talk, anyone can do it, but it's another thing to actually put in the work to get there.

Now we have injuries that will excuse any poor play even though we were playing that way before the injuries. I guess playing those cupcakes did serve a purpose.

But just because you were playing badly before the injuries doesn't mean the injuries can't hurt you the rest of the season. You don't think, X or Race were going to get better as the season went on? I thought Race had looked good the last 2 half games. I guess I just don't buy that.

[TheWatShot 13,932]

Is anyone else just kind of mentally fatigued by IU basketball? It's bad enough seeing a game like last night, being up too late, and having  a hard time sleeping afterward, but then it's plastered all over social media the next day and everywhere you go, people are talking about it. Throw in the McCaffery theatrics, his son sh*t-talking our coaches, and the meme factory is going full force as usual after an IU loss. 

 

It's almost reached a point where I prefer following the women's program, because I just don't get so invested in it. If the women's team lost at Iowa after being up 20, I'd probably just think "eh, whatever" and look up when the next game is. 

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich 8,671]

2 minutes ago, TheWatShot said:

Is anyone else just kind of mentally fatigued by IU basketball? It's bad enough seeing a game like last night, being up too late, and having  a hard time sleeping afterward, but then it's plastered all over social media the next day and everywhere you go, people are talking about it. Throw in the McCaffery theatrics, his son sh*t-talking our coaches, and the meme factory is going full force as usual after an IU loss. 

 

It's almost reached a point where I prefer following the women's program, because I just don't get so invested in it. If the women's team lost at Iowa after being up 20, I'd probably just think "eh, whatever" and look up when the next game is. 

People know they can kick the sh!t out of us while we're down. Will we ever get up? Probably won't this year. Probably won't at any point under Woody. Honestly, I don't see Indiana ever becoming elite. A big part of that is this imaginary high horse so many fans and the power that be want to stand on. No passion to win at all. Just have some good publicity. Don't worry about losing.

[HoosierAloha 30,068]

11 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

But just because you were playing badly before the injuries doesn't mean the injuries can't hurt you the rest of the season. You don't think, X or Race were going to get better as the season went on? I thought Race had looked good the last 2 half games. I guess I just don't buy that.

I'm not saying that at all. Obviously injuries will limit potential and we'll never know what the ceiling could be. Injuries are part of the game and not exclusive to IU. (you know these things)
I'm saying it's an excuse to say "we would have won the Big 1.o if <insert player name> wasn't hurt." It's become our tradition to make excuses for our program, coach, and players instead of seeing it for what it is. We played some bad basketball against some really bad teams making fundamental mistakes that get exposed that much more against Big 1.o teams and talent.
Those who saw it and posted about it were told they didn't know what they were talking about. Most of us here understand basketball, we understand when we see good basketball. When we put those crimson colored glasses on they shade us from that bad basketball. It's been there this entire season. The program deserves better than excuse making. That is my point.