TJD is BACK

[str8baller]

7 hours ago, Golfman25 said:

Oh great.  Woodson can’t develop NBA talent.  :)

Next year looks to be the big one.  Let’s go.  

I’m very excited for next year. Probably irrationally so…lol.  But there really are no “big” singular years in cbb with a single elimination tourney. Knight was an extreme outlier in being able to build a team every four years and make a dedicated run. 
 

Most championship schools have championship caliber teams every year or every other year and win about one title a decade-ish. Kansas, for example, has won the Big12 almost every year for two decades and has two titles to show for it and 3 in the last four decades. All that NBA talent under Smith and Williams netted 5 titles in the same four decades. 
 

I know everyone knows this. But it’s the same thing as Zeller’s sophomore year: the most likely outcome is a loss earlier than expected in the tourney. I hope more than anything else, next year announces IU’s return to semi-permanent status as a school in this conversation.  That would exceed my expectations for the Woody era. I’d consider him a success if he spent 5 years just getting us back into the tourney and top 25 regularly. Not because that’s where I aspire for IU to be but because it would make the job very attractive again. 
 

Getting to the tourney, a highly rated recruiting class, and now your AA senior to return all in about one year’s time is one heckuva start to things. 

[Class of '66 Old Fart]

TJD's place in the IU record books.

https://www.thedailyhoosier.com/trayce-jackson-davis-can-become-iu-basketballs-all-time-leader-in-rebounds-and-blocks/?fbclid=IwAR03rIRCU6N5fj1vwU3iClWpJ11lPV7xLVxrL4WZnhyr1RJ8JJSxNPHPPqU

[str8baller]

20 minutes ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

TJD's place in the IU record books.

https://www.thedailyhoosier.com/trayce-jackson-davis-can-become-iu-basketballs-all-time-leader-in-rebounds-and-blocks/?fbclid=IwAR03rIRCU6N5fj1vwU3iClWpJ11lPV7xLVxrL4WZnhyr1RJ8JJSxNPHPPqU

Passing Walt Belamy and Alan Henderson for the rebounding lead is one heckuva accomplishment. In defense of guys like Bellamy, TJD and maybe even Henderson will have had to play at least ten more games over his career than Walt, no? 

[DChoosier]

41 minutes ago, str8baller said:

Passing Walt Belamy and Alan Henderson for the rebounding lead is one heckuva accomplishment. In defense of guys like Bellamy, TJD and maybe even Henderson will have had to play at least ten more games over his career than Walt, no? 

Different era but Bellamy only played 70 games (3 seasons) and averaged 15.5 boards per game over those three years. In his final game, against Michigan, he had 33 boards!!

In any case…hard to compare eras but love what Bellamy, Henderson and TJD did for IU.

[Brass Cannon]

I’m not sure how much NIL money TJD could get to come back for a 5th year but it would be a lot.  He would be on pace to lead the conference in points and rebounds. And like 3rd in blocks I think 

[cthomas]

13 hours ago, DChoosier said:

Different era but Bellamy only played 70 games (3 seasons) and averaged 15.5 boards per game over those three years. In his final game, against Michigan, he had 33 boards!!

In any case…hard to compare eras but love what Bellamy, Henderson and TJD did for IU.

I remember Archie Dees a little. But, Walt Bellamy was the first guy to really imprint on my memory. He was like some kind of monster in basketball shorts. Tremendous talent and in some ways, ahead of his time.

[Class of '66 Old Fart]

The Hoosier Hysterics with a good interview with TJD.  Starts around the 20 min. mark.  Comments about the Northwestern situation around the 48 min. mark.

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-hoosier-hysterics-podcast/id1609450696?i=1000563203153

[Stuhoo]

1 hour ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

The Hoosier Hysterics with a good interview with TJD.  Starts around the 20 min. mark.  Comments about the Northwestern situation around the 48 min. mark.

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-hoosier-hysterics-podcast/id1609450696?i=1000563203153

There's a ton of 'stuff' in this interview:

• Originally it was two players who the coaching staff knew broke curfew pre-NW. Trayce and Race knew about the other three and made sure they sat too.
• Next year the team has decided there's no "strikes" for punishment. You screw up? You sit.
• Tamar was in LA when Trayce was, also working on his game with pro trainers. 
• Anthony Leal is due for more playing time - Trayce repeatedly cited him as a leader.
• Tamar is due for a major jump.
• Trayce never considered the portal and an NIL bidding war. It was IU or the pros.
• Archie was good to the players and had them for dinner, but Woody is like a second dad off the court.
• Trayce directly consulted Calbert for his draft decision. Also got word from Isiah that he should come back to IU.
• Trayce had dinner with Woody in Indy to tell him he was coming back; the two of them devised a plan for practice improvements and team accountability.
• Trayce won't just be shooting jumpers - he'll be hoisting threes. 
• Trayce was severly physically limited for three weeks after he landed hard during the B1G season.

[Brass Cannon]

11 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

There's a ton of 'stuff' in this interview:

• Originally it was two players who the coaching staff knew broke curfew pre-NW. Trayce and Race knew about the other three and made sure they sat too.
• Next year the team has decided there's no "strikes" for punishment. You screw up? You sit.
• Tamar was in LA when Trayce was, also working on his game with pro trainers. 
• Anthony Leal is due for more playing time - Trayce repeatedly cited him as a leader.
• Tamar is due for a major jump.
• Trayce never considered the portal and an NIL bidding war. It was IU or the pros.
• Archie was good to the players and had them for dinner, but Woody is like a second dad off the court.
• Trayce directly consulted Calbert for his draft decision. Also got word from Isiah that he should come back to IU.
• Trayce had dinner with Woody in Indy to tell him he was coming back; the two of them devised a plan for practice improvements and team accountability.
• Trayce won't just be shooting jumpers - he'll be hoisting threes. 
• Trayce was severly physically limited for three weeks after he landed hard during the B1G season.

All great stuff. If Trayce can hit 3s at even a 30 percent clip opposing teams are going to struggle on defense.  

[Stuhoo]

2 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

All great stuff. If Trayce can hit 3s at even a 30 percent clip opposing teams are going to struggle on defense.  

 

My cutoff is 33% (and Trayce will be routinely wide open from three).

If a player can hit 33%, with offensive rebounds that gets them to over 1 point per possession on three attempts.

 

[Brass Cannon]

8 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

 

My cutoff is 33% (and Trayce will be routinely wide open from three).

If a player can hit 33%, with offensive rebounds that gets them to over 1 point per possession on three attempts.

 

If he’s hitting them at 33 percent and teams continue to leave him wide open. Well never interrupt your enemy while he’s making a mistake.  

[PB1230]

1 hour ago, Stuhoo said:

There's a ton of 'stuff' in this interview:

• Originally it was two players who the coaching staff knew broke curfew pre-NW. Trayce and Race knew about the other three and made sure they sat too.

Actually, it sounded like at least 1 of the assistants knew about the other players, and effectively asked Trayce/Race if they should tell Woody, and its unclear if Trayce/Race knew about the players before being asked. Although, it sounded very much about it being 100% about breaking curfew and not about smoking which was widely speculated.

Relevant breakdown based on the interview

• No information about how and by whom the initial two players were discovered
• There was then a team meeting, and 2 were punished (unclear if suspensions at this point)
• Woody asked if anyone else broke curfew, and no one admitted it
• An assistant later texted Trayce asking what to do about the other players that missed curfew, and Trayce/Race decide that they shouldn't play
• Another team meeting is held for additional punishments

Unknowns

• Were the suspensions completely because of curfew, or perhaps the initial 2 weren't suspended, but the lying about it which escalated to suspension for everyone
• Did Trayce/Race know about all 5 at the initial team meeting, and at the time felt uncomfortable ratting the other 3 out in that setting but were able to take a stronger stance after some time to think about it and backing from an assistant
• OR were Trayce/Race in the dark about who skipped curfew at first and only found out about it from an assistant

Wild Speculation - Fife caught all 5 players, but only told Woody about 2 to prove a point but realizing that 5 players potentially getting suspended would mean a likely loss decided to conceal the other 3 (seems like an MSU thing to do), but someone else caught wind of this and eventually this was a contributing factor for Woody firing Fife. 

[Brass Cannon]

9 minutes ago, PB1230 said:

Actually, it sounded like at least 1 of the assistants knew about the other players, and effectively asked Trayce/Race if they should tell Woody, and its unclear if Trayce/Race knew about the players before being asked. Although, it sounded very much about it being 100% about breaking curfew and not about smoking which was widely speculated.

Relevant breakdown based on the interview

• No information about how and by whom the initial two players were discovered
• There was then a team meeting, and 2 were punished (unclear if suspensions at this point)
• Woody asked if anyone else broke curfew, and no one admitted it
• An assistant later texted Trayce asking what to do about the other players that missed curfew, and Trayce/Race decide that they shouldn't play
• Another team meeting is held for additional punishments

Unknowns

• Were the suspensions completely because of curfew, or perhaps the initial 2 weren't suspended, but the lying about it which escalated to suspension for everyone
• Did Trayce/Race know about all 5 at the initial team meeting, and at the time felt uncomfortable ratting the other 3 out in that setting but were able to take a stronger stance after some time to think about it and backing from an assistant
• OR were Trayce/Race in the dark about who skipped curfew at first and only found out about it from an assistant

Wild Speculation - Fife caught all 5 players, but only told Woody about 2 to prove a point but realizing that 5 players potentially getting suspended would mean a likely loss decided to conceal the other 3 (seems like an MSU thing to do), but someone else caught wind of this and eventually this was a contributing factor for Woody firing Fife. 

Yeah gotta think that assistant was fife if that story was true. Otherwise we would have axed another assistant.  
 

[HoosierFan1994]

Really good interview. Eric and Ward are awesome interviewers. I'll have to listen to more of them. Some items that stood out: 

1) I really like Trayce is wanting to change the direction of the off-season workouts. I've said this a zillion times on here but I remember reading how Hulls, Victor, Sheehey, and company were so sick and tired of losing they worked their you know whats off in the gym the summer before the 11-12 season. This team has to have a great summer. Somebody has to become that knock down shooter for this team. The 3 that really need to improve are Bates, Galloway, and Geronimo. If they reach that "next level"....

2) I think the postseason success gave these guys the boost or kick in the rear end they needed. Was it a major postseason run? No, but winning two B1G games (the way they did it) and an NCAA Tournament game (yes, it counts) gave them the success they needed. 

3) Trayce isn't here to mess around. He's back to win a B1G title and make a push for the national title. I certainly think that the B1G title is something that can happen. However, not 100% sure this is a national championship winning team just yet. I see second weekend right now. 

Extremely excited for next season. Trayce has the potential to be one of the most beloved Hoosiers of all-time. If he can lead this team to a B1G title and a final four I don't think it's far fetched that he would be the best IU player since maybe Calbert. 

[Stuhoo]

[cthomas]

2 hours ago, Stuhoo said:

• Originally it was two players who the coaching staff knew broke curfew pre-NW. Trayce and Race knew about the other three and made sure they sat too.
• Next year the team has decided there's no "strikes" for punishment. You screw up? You sit.

That sounds like leadership, accountability, and the long overdue culture change.

[Class of '66 Old Fart]

First link is to TJD's media conference.  25 min. clip.

https://www.thedailyhoosier.com/watch-trayce-jackson-davis-discusses-return-to-iu-basketball-for-2022-23-season/?fbclid=IwAR2IrcA0qWAST-tBMDUsCj6_wedvUsar7YNr_iIQ_WM8R5K0Fxk_4cf3Llk

 

https://indiana.rivals.com/news/trayce-jackson-davis-embracing-lofty-expectations-next-year-with-his-return

[CharlotteHoosier16]

Anyone else intrigued by Lander, Rob and Parker’s vague tweets seemingly in response to TJD’s interview today?

[psychobat3]

5 minutes ago, CharlotteHoosier16 said:

Anyone else intrigued by Lander, Rob and Parker’s vague tweets seemingly in response to TJD’s interview today?

What did they say?

[CharlotteHoosier16]

3 minutes ago, psychobat3 said:

What did they say?