(2021) SG Tamar Bates to INDIANA

[CookHallGymRat]

Didn't Earl Calloway wear a number in the fifties.

51 I believe. I kind of like those stranger numbers on a jersey.


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[IUc2016]

I have watched a few of his games and some highlight tapes.... I am becoming more convinced he will start next year. He is more talented than any guard we had on our roster last year and is probably better right now than any of them. 

Maybe rob gets the nod at the beginning of the year, but I have a hard time seeing Tamar Bates playing less than 25 minutes a game. This kid is a great pickup for this staff. 

skip ahead to 2:41 in this video.... wow

[woodenshoemanHoosierfan]

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[Hoosierfan2017]

WOW

[IUc2016]

8 minutes ago, woodenshoemanHoosierfan said:

 

 

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Tamar is ranked quite a bit higher than the kids going to Purdue :)

[WayneFleekHoosier]

Wow is right.  Our guard problems really got addressed. Impressed. 

[Stuhoo]

 

That kind of assessment changes my opinion of his likely use. Maybe we do have another 20+ mpg player.

XJ, Stewart, Bates, Rob, and Kopp for the 1-3 seems to be a very, very strong group, eh?

Last year the 4 and 5 were our strength. This year Trayce, Race, Jerome, a sophomore Jordan, and Logan seems like an upgrade over last year, but that won't necessarily be our featured or strongest group!

If Jordan Geronimo takes a big jump this team could be pretty special.

 

[Hoosierfan2017]

Fwiw, James Blackmon was 20th in his class on ESPN. Not an apples to apples comparison, but still interesting. 

[Unexpectedflash]

I still think he starts by the middle of the year. He fits next to XJ better than anyone on the roster as a secondary ballhandler and elite shooter. 

[T White]

5 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Fwiw, James Blackmon was 20th in his class on ESPN. Not an apples to apples comparison, but still interesting. 

I wonder if he ever finally learned how to guard a chair.

[Brass Cannon]

16 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Wow is right.  Our guard problems really got addressed. Impressed. 

Less than a month.  That’s how long it took to address.  In a big way. 
 

It was not just bad luck for Archie he either couldn’t or wouldn’t 

[Stuhoo]

1 hour ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Fwiw, James Blackmon was 20th in his class on ESPN. Not an apples to apples comparison, but still interesting. 

And Oladipo was 144.

Rankings are not infallible, but they are good predictors.

[Hoosierfan2017]

1 hour ago, Stuhoo said:

And Oladipo was 144.

Rankings are not infallible, but they are good predictors.

You definitely have your outliers like Oladipo, OG, Juwan Morgan. But, if you're regularly landing top 50 players you're going to get good results more often than not. 

These are the top 50 recruits we've gotten since 2011 (sorry if I forget any):

    Cody Zeller

    Yogi Ferrell

    Jeremy Hollowell

    Noah Vonleh

    James Blackmon, Jr.

    Robert Johnson

    Thomas Bryant

    De'Ron Davis

    Romeo Langford

    Trayce Jackson-Davis

    Khristian Lander

    Tamar Bates 

Leaving out Lander/Bates since they are unknowns at this point, that's 10 guys. Hollowell was a total dud, Davis was underwhelming due to injuries, but the other 8 guys were all good players at IU. Looking at the guys we've gotten during that period in the 50-100 range, there's a lot more variance. Troy Williams, for example, on the good end. Hanner Perea, for example, on the dud end. It remains to be seen what happens with Lander/Bates, but if history is an indicator there's a good chance we like what we get from them. 

[Ghost of Rick Majerus]

3 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

You definitely have your outliers like Oladipo, OG, Juwan Morgan. But, if you're regularly landing top 50 players you're going to get good results more often than not. 

These are the top 50 recruits we've gotten since 2011 (sorry if I forget any):

    Cody Zeller

    Yogi Ferrell

    Jeremy Hollowell

    Noah Vonleh

    James Blackmon, Jr.

    Robert Johnson

    Thomas Bryant

    De'Ron Davis

    Romeo Langford

    Trayce Jackson-Davis

    Khristian Lander

    Tamar Bates 

Leaving out Lander/Bates since they are unknowns at this point, that's 10 guys. Hollowell was a total dud, Davis was underwhelming due to injuries, but the other 8 guys were all good players at IU. Looking at the guys we've gotten during that period in the 50-100 range, there's a lot more variance. Troy Williams, for example, on the good end. Hanner Perea, for example, on the dud end. It remains to be seen what happens with Lander/Bates, but if history is an indicator there's a good chance we like what we get from them. 

Man... I forgot about Hollowell. I had high expectations for him. 

[PB1230]

17 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

You definitely have your outliers like Oladipo, OG, Juwan Morgan. But, if you're regularly landing top 50 players you're going to get good results more often than not. 

These are the top 50 recruits we've gotten since 2011 (sorry if I forget any):

    Cody Zeller

    Yogi Ferrell

    Jeremy Hollowell

    Noah Vonleh

    James Blackmon, Jr.

    Robert Johnson

    Thomas Bryant

    De'Ron Davis

    Romeo Langford

    Trayce Jackson-Davis

    Khristian Lander

    Tamar Bates 

Leaving out Lander/Bates since they are unknowns at this point, that's 10 guys. Hollowell was a total dud, Davis was underwhelming due to injuries, but the other 8 guys were all good players at IU. Looking at the guys we've gotten during that period in the 50-100 range, there's a lot more variance. Troy Williams, for example, on the good end. Hanner Perea, for example, on the dud end. It remains to be seen what happens with Lander/Bates, but if history is an indicator there's a good chance we like what we get from them. 

Wouldn't call Hollowell a total dud - he was talented, just had some effort issues. Plus its hard to judge him since he was buried on a great team for the first half of his 2 years at IU (small sample size)

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

2 minutes ago, PB1230 said:

Wouldn't call Hollowell a total dud - he was talented, just had some effort issues. Plus its hard to judge him since he was buried on a great team for the first half of his 2 years at IU (small sample size)

His biggest issue was effort. But Crean trying to make him Watford 2.0 really hurt him. 

[Stuhoo]

25 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

You definitely have your outliers like Oladipo, OG, Juwan Morgan. But, if you're regularly landing top 50 players you're going to get good results more often than not. 

These are the top 50 recruits we've gotten since 2011 (sorry if I forget any):

    Cody Zeller

    Yogi Ferrell

    Jeremy Hollowell

    Noah Vonleh

    James Blackmon, Jr.

    Robert Johnson

    Thomas Bryant

    De'Ron Davis

    Romeo Langford

    Trayce Jackson-Davis

    Khristian Lander

    Tamar Bates 

Leaving out Lander/Bates since they are unknowns at this point, that's 10 guys. Hollowell was a total dud, Davis was underwhelming due to injuries, but the other 8 guys were all good players at IU. Looking at the guys we've gotten during that period in the 50-100 range, there's a lot more variance. Troy Williams, for example, on the good end. Hanner Perea, for example, on the dud end. It remains to be seen what happens with Lander/Bates, but if history is an indicator there's a good chance we like what we get from them. 

We could win a whole lotta games with that roster.

 

[IUfan_Charlie]

8 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

We could win a whole lotta games with that roster.

 

The 2015/2016 alone roster has insane talent in hindsight. Crean had his chances. 

[Trish]

3 minutes ago, IUfan_Charlie said:

The 2015/2016 alone roster has insane talent in hindsight. Crean had his chances. 

We couldn't get pass the Sweet 16 with 

- TWO TOP FIVE DRAFT PICKS

and

- TWO NBA STARTERS

twice. (Cody & Oladipo) (Bryant & O.G.)

However, O.G. was hurt with the ACL and we ran into UNC shooting a career night. Nonetheless. Sickening. 

[Hoosierfan2017]

7 minutes ago, Trish said:

We couldn't get pass the Sweet 16 with 

- TWO TOP FIVE DRAFT PICKS

and

- TWO NBA STARTERS

twice. (Cody & Oladipo) (Bryant & O.G.)

However, O.G. was hurt with the ACL and we ran into UNC shooting a career night. Nonetheless. Sickening. 

OG tore his ACL that next year. He played against UNC in the sweet 16 but he was only a freshman. Blackmon was the one out with an ACL (I think it was ACL) that season.