Mike Woodson and His Coaching Staff

[Brass Cannon]

42 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

When $3,075,000 is a "bargain"

https://www.news-gazette.com/news/izzo-underwood-lead-way-on-big-ten-basketball-salary-chart/article_932cfd8d-f491-5eab-b395-9b6daf2b4500.html

Man Gard is comparatively underpaid 

[WayneFleekHoosier]

When $3,075,000 is a "bargain"
https://www.news-gazette.com/news/izzo-underwood-lead-way-on-big-ten-basketball-salary-chart/article_932cfd8d-f491-5eab-b395-9b6daf2b4500.html

Illinois considers us a big enough rival to give Underwood an extra 15k per win.

Where does Michigan State get their money? 16 million for basketball and football coaches. And they aren’t even that great. (Well basketball has been good) That’s crazy. I thought Michigan had the huge donors?!?


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[Class of '66 Old Fart]

57 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Where does Michigan State get their money? 16 million for basketball and football coaches.

 

[Hippopotamo]

3 hours ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Illinois considers us a big enough rival to give Underwood an extra 15k per win.

Where does Michigan State get their money? 16 million for basketball and football coaches. And they aren’t even that great. (Well basketball has been good) That’s crazy. I thought Michigan had the huge donors?!?


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Michigan State had an incredibly wealthy booster who used to be a men’s basketball walk-on. 

[LIHoosier]

Michigan State had an incredibly wealthy booster who used to be a men’s basketball walk-on. 

Don't forget Dan Gilbert and the 'MSU Spartans presented by [emoji2961] Rocket Mortgage'

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[Stuhoo]

 

First day on the job!

 

 

[iubb]

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[Demo]

10 hours ago, iubb said:

 

 

 

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Woody is a fascinating dude. The golf and lawn obsessions scream, “I’m winding it down”, then he walks into this meat grinder.

[pumpfake]

I was hoping to see Woody riding around on his Dixie Chopper or sulky mower. lol

[Class of '66 Old Fart]

https://indiana.rivals.com/news/jordan-hulls-gained-valuable-experience-as-recruiter-on-road-this-summer?fbclid=IwAR2xOm4q_R8m0IdM5Tfh04ZyKQVhDRMaJHHu7t8yo4n00q5xzoxW-kYFEWE

[southsidehoosier]

 

[DChoosier]

From that Athletic article:from Brian Evans about Archie…..

Evans: Being stoic on the court is one thing, but there was no warmth to him, none. He had me in town for some fantasy camp, and I was so blown away by the shitty effort put forward by Archie and his staff. I was embarrassed. Honestly, embarrassed. These guys mailed it in and did nothing. For the guys who came to the camp and paid for this, it sucked. … They got nothing out of it.

[DChoosier]

Dean Garrett……

 

Garrett: But I remember when I went back the night Coach Knight came back, all of us were back there on the practice court, and yeah, I know they had a big game against Purdue that day, but I felt it would have been important to get those players there early and take five, 10 minutes to see the guys you’re playing for. Sure, you’re playing for your family and yourselves, but there’s another family, the IU family; there were 50 of us there that night and he never came over and said anything to us. I saw that and thought, “He doesn’t get it.”

[Southside]

16 minutes ago, DChoosier said:

From that Athletic article:from Brian Evans about Archie…..

Evans: Being stoic on the court is one thing, but there was no warmth to him, none. He had me in town for some fantasy camp, and I was so blown away by the shitty effort put forward by Archie and his staff. I was embarrassed. Honestly, embarrassed. These guys mailed it in and did nothing. For the guys who came to the camp and paid for this, it sucked. … They got nothing out of it.

Big big ouch lol. 

3 hours ago, southsidehoosier said:

IMO, Woodson's IU history was great. He gets it unlike some others.

And his love for Knight, was a great way to bridge the old with the new. Love BK or hate him, doesn't matter. A lot of folks will always love him, and mending that bridge at a time when BK likely is short on years is great for the program.

And it appears he can recruit and relate to the kids, which was the biggest concern I saw from most anti-Woody voices. 

Still really early, but it's going a lot better and faster than I expected. 

[DChoosier]

And Joe Hillman….

Hillman: I called Fred (Glass), we talked a few times, I told him, “This is an absolutely horrible hire.” He said he was sorry to hear me say that. I told him, “I’ll support you and the program, but I think it’s the wrong guy.” Archie never bought into one thing that Indiana was all about. Crean tried, to his credit. Archie, nope.

[lillurk]

Maybe not a surprise, but conclusions from the mostly positive view of Davis and Crean vs. the cold view of Sampson and Arch:

1. You actually DON’T have to be an “IU guy” if you care about IU’s history and tradition, and

2. you win without egregious NCAA violations.

Now of course Woody seems to be doing both while also being an IU legend, which is a cherry on top to many.

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30 minutes ago, DChoosier said:

And Joe Hillman….

Hillman: I called Fred (Glass), we talked a few times, I told him, “This is an absolutely horrible hire.” He said he was sorry to hear me say that. I told him, “I’ll support you and the program, but I think it’s the wrong guy.” Archie never bought into one thing that Indiana was all about. Crean tried, to his credit. Archie, nope.

I went Flyin’ to the Hoop last January, which is a truly great high school event in Dayton. While there I spoke to maybe half a dozen people who, when they found out I followed IU, absolutely GUSHED over Miller. They loved the dude. Made absolutely heartfelt arguments that his issues had to be related to lack of administration.or fan support. When I tried to explain to them that, no, the guy just never connected with the base and didn’t appear to make a wholehearted effort and appeared to lose the team multiple times and just failed straight from the jump, the more receptive folks were simply flabbergasted and a couple told me straight up that they didn’t believe me. One told me that if Miller couldn’t succeed IU was destined to permanent irrelevance. They weren’t nasty, it’s just how highly they think of the guy. It was eye-opening.

[DChoosier]

2 minutes ago, Demo said:

I went Flyin’ to the Hoop last January, which is a truly great high school event in Dayton. While there I spoke to maybe half a dozen people who, when they found out I followed IU, absolutely GUSHED over Miller. They loved the dude. Made absolutely heartfelt arguments that his issues had to be related to lack of administration.or fan support. When I tried to explain to them that, no, the guy just never connected with the base and didn’t appear to make a wholehearted effort and appeared to lose the team multiple times and just failed straight from the jump, the more receptive folks were simply flabbergasted and a couple told me straight up that they didn’t believe me. One told me that if Miller couldn’t succeed IU was destined to permanent irrelevance. They weren’t nasty, it’s just how highly they think of the guy, it was eye-opening.

I don’t doubt you but it’s telling that former IU players made these comments and that his own players never said anything positive about Archie, didn’t acknowledge him on senior nights etc etc. Not sure what happened when he went to IU but the disconnect/carnage with Archie is puzzling.  In any case Woody has us going in the right direction and the base is going to be off the charts excited for this season. 

[Southside]

13 minutes ago, Demo said:

I went Flyin’ to the Hoop last January, which is a truly great high school event in Dayton. While there I spoke to maybe half a dozen people who, when they found out I followed IU, absolutely GUSHED over Miller. They loved the dude. Made absolutely heartfelt arguments that his issues had to be related to lack of administration.or fan support. When I tried to explain to them that, no, the guy just never connected with the base and didn’t appear to make a wholehearted effort and appeared to lose the team multiple times and just failed straight from the jump, the more receptive folks were simply flabbergasted and a couple told me straight up that they didn’t believe me. One told me that if Miller couldn’t succeed IU was destined to permanent irrelevance. They weren’t nasty, it’s just how highly they think of the guy. It was eye-opening.

I think the job simply was too big for him. Expectations too high. I don't doubt the sincerity of the Dayton fans at all, but he seemed to just bump his head on his ceiling in Bloomington. Not everyone is cut out for certain jobs, or higher level programs. 

[Demo]

9 minutes ago, DChoosier said:

I don’t doubt you but it’s telling that former IU players made these comments and that his own players never said anything positive about Archie, didn’t acknowledge him on senior nights etc etc. Not sure what happened when he went to IU but the disconnect/carnage with Archie is puzzling.  In any case Woody has us going in the right direction and the base is going to be off the charts excited for this season. 

Don’t get me wrong, the guy failed and you absolutely move on. Just found it interesting how differently he was perceived by that fanbase, and not merely as a coach but as a guy and member of the community. He seemed to be really connected there  and was in no way connected here. Curious.