Mike Woodson and His Coaching Staff

[Josh]

Just now, IUwins0708 said:

He was

I didn't know that.  Yikes.  Call me cautious because we hired Kelvin Sampson and I saw the mess that followed, but I'm nervous.  Especially since I don't see the upside in Rosemond.  At least Fife has landed many stud recruits...I guess I'll go look up Fife and fbi scandal now.

[IUwins0708]

1 minute ago, Josh said:

I didn't know that.  Yikes.  Call me cautious because we hired Kelvin Sampson and I saw the mess that followed, but I'm nervous.  Especially since I don't see the upside in Rosemond.  At least Fife has landed many stud recruits...I guess I'll go look up Fife and fbi scandal now.

Both were cleared that they did know wrong doing though.  Names were given some where legit others weren’t.  Fife and Yas werent. 

[Josh]

2 minutes ago, IUwins0708 said:

Both were cleared that they did know wrong doing though.  Names were given some where legit others weren’t.  Fife and Yas werent. 

I can't find anything on it at all.  Just Dwayne Stephens at Michigan State.  What info do we have on Fife's mentions?

Rosemond has some damning info, but Dawkins wouldn't testify.  

[Hoosierfan2017]

Fife was recruiting big-time recruits at a big-time basketball school. It doesn’t take too many leaps to guess what he was doing at Michigan State. And I’m completely fine with it. If you want to succeed in 21st century college basketball you have to act like a 21st century college basketball program.

[IUwins0708]

14 minutes ago, Josh said:

I can't find anything on it at all.  Just Dwayne Stephens at Michigan State.  What info do we have on Fife's mentions?

Rosemond has some damning info, but Dawkins wouldn't testify.  

Look back and you’ll see tweets that mentioned Fife.  I’m glad some of you aren’t on my life jury.  I thought it was innocent until proven guilt. LOL

[Josh]

4 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Fife was recruiting big-time recruits at a big-time basketball school. It doesn’t take too many leaps to guess what he was doing at Michigan State. And I’m completely fine with it. If you want to succeed in 21st century college basketball you have to act like a 21st century college basketball program.

That's a different argument imo.  I understand going a little grey, but to hire a guy who has quotes in the fbi probe just seems like a little much

[Josh]

1 minute ago, IUwins0708 said:

Look back and you’ll see tweets that mentioned Fife.  I’m glad some of you aren’t on my life jury.  I thought it was innocent until proven guilt. LOL

In determining innocence or guilt there's still a trial with the facts laid out.  That's all I'm looking fir

[IUwins0708]

Just now, Josh said:

In determining innocence or guilt there's still a trial with the facts laid out.  That's all I'm looking fir

There’s only a trial if there is enough evidence, no?

[RaceToTheTop]

Just my opinion....but in terms of assistant coaches, assistants who 'cheat' are doing so at the direction of the head coach.  An assistant who cheats without the knowledge or direction of the head coach can get the head coach fired or the school on probation/sanctioned....simply put, it's not in their best interests to ever do so without direction to do so.  

The assistant who probably has faced the biggest legal issues is Chuck Person.....who was on Bruce Pearl's staff.  No way that Person wasn't following Pearl's directions.  

I don't have any reason to believe that Woodson is going to be a Bruce Pearl type of coach who will go against the rules constantly or put the school in NCAA peril, so IMO Rosemond will be here to follow directions.  If you trust Woodson, then there is no need to not trust Rosemond.

[Feathery]

I mentioned it when Thad was hired, but I hope he is bringing the OSU mentality to IU. Teach compliance on how to navigate the rules to help the staff recruit, not try and be a gotcha department. Work together not against each other.

Woodson has connections to World Wide Wes and has hired or will hire 2 coaches who were mentioned in the FBI probe. 

To be honest, I’m perfectly fine with all these moves. Use the NIL to its fullest advantage and let’s get some major talent in here to hang banner 6. 

[Stuhoo]

16 hours ago, IUwins0708 said:

Look back and you’ll see tweets that mentioned Fife.  I’m glad some of you aren’t on my life jury.  I thought it was innocent until proven guilt. LOL

 

16 hours ago, Josh said:

In determining innocence or guilt there's still a trial with the facts laid out.  That's all I'm looking fir

It’s a long discussion, but there are three very different standards:

1) Conviction of a criminal statutory offense--beyond a reasonable doubt by a unanimous  jury, 

2) A finding of violation of a stated policy of an organization, in this case the NCAA, and 

3) Enough information that any of us has learned that exceeds their own personal ethical standards.

In this discussion,

1. The final result is easy to assess,
2. Is rarely enforced, and
3. Is whatever each of us personally thinks it should be.

 

[RaceToTheTop]

Consider this:

the fbi probe resulted in assistant coaches being indicted.  Who they are is less important than where they coached:  Auburn, USC, Arizona, and Oklahoma State.  Auburn (with Bruce Pearl as well as their football team), USC (widely known to pay players, ala the Reggie Bush scandal), and Arizona (with Sean Miller on tape talking about paying players) are all synonymous with cheating.  Oklahoma State is one whose history I don't know as well, but the point is that the probe resulted in what I would call four basketball programs using a scapegoat for their penalties.  None of them had a head coach fired as a result of the actions and as of yet, none have been penalized as a result of their actions.  Hell,  the NCAA refused to punish North Carolina and Louisville's punishment has been minor given the situation.  This is a good old boys network and they don't punish the major players....instead, the dirty work is assigned to the lower level grunts in assistant coaches while the university and head coach denies culpability.  And the assistants know that if they ever do talk about just following orders, their career is over as schools won't hire them.  It may be quite a while before the four assistants mentioned are back as an assistant, but it will likely happen.

[ap2345]

47 minutes ago, Trish said:

Haven’t been here in a couple days. Rosemond appears to have not been on a staff for a couple years now. 
 

Where are people seeing he’s a shooting expert? I like that he’s younger and could have some nice potential to develop players.

It appears this is a recruiting coach perhaps? Interesting he’s been out of a job for two years. Did Woody call his old NBA coaching friend Avery Johnson asking for a name? lol

 

Odd.. I don’t know. 

He’s been doing private training the last couple of years. Sexton gives him credit for helping with his jump shot. 

[lillurk]

6 hours ago, Stuhoo said:

He was cleared because the shoe company guys didn’t want to play with him, not because he wasn’t willing.

It’s also not totally clear to me he knew Dawkins would really throw money around, and if so whether that’s something he would’ve been willing to help make happen.

Regardless, even if it makes you uneasy he was mentioned in all this, it’s possible Woodson sees a good coach who needs another chance to buff some tarnish off his name by keeping his nose clean in a high profile role. If so, that’s admirable.

[lillurk]

7 hours ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Also, I don’t think it’s fair to incriminate Ya without the full scope of the situation.  We have enough hindrances, we don’t need our fanbase to be another one.  

Play it loud

[Hoosierfan1901]

Any new info?

[Hoosierfan1901]

Also, Sam Story sent out an email too

[bird4par]

3 minutes ago, Hooserfan1901 said:

Also, Sam Story sent out an email too

and?

[Hoosierfan1901]

1 minute ago, bird4par said:

and?

Oh I have no idea what’s on it, hoping for someone say something 

[HoosierKnight]

35 minutes ago, Hooserfan1901 said:

Oh I have no idea what’s on it, hoping for someone say something 

He said that if it’s true, it would be the most impressive hire that’s happened so far for Woodson’s tenure. Seemed very excited about what he gets done with recruiting and behind the scenes stuff. Didn’t act like it was a for sure done deal or that he even knew anything about it.