Mike Woodson and His Coaching Staff

[IUc2016]

3 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

I personally love that Fife is back as an assistant and I WANT it to work with Woody but i've got my concerns.  As far as Fife as the next head coach, that's bonkers.  Fife would need to do a 5-7 year very successful build at a mid major again before earning what should be a top 20 job in the land.  

I am not saying I want Fife as the head coach.

But it's not bonkers...? UNC and Duke which have had way way more success than IU literally gave assistants the head gig after NO head coaching experience. So not sure it would be considered bonkers. Right move? maybe not, but not bonkers

[Chris007]

5 minutes ago, IUc2016 said:

I am not saying I want Fife as the head coach.

But it's not bonkers...? UNC and Duke which have had way way more success than IU literally gave assistants the head gig after NO head coaching experience. So not sure it would be considered bonkers. Right move? maybe not, but not bonkers

But that was following a successful 30 years plus from a head coach. 

[IUc2016]

Just now, Chris007 said:

But that was following a successful 30 years plus from a head coach. 

He didn’t say if woodson wasn’t successful 

[Stuhoo]

27 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

I personally love that Fife is back as an assistant and I WANT it to work with Woody but i've got my concerns.  As far as Fife as the next head coach, that's bonkers.  Fife would need to do a 5-7 year very successful build at a mid major again before earning what should be a top 20 job in the land.  

Fife is rolling the dice that the current staff greatly succeeds. If they do? He's a strong (likely?) candidate to succeed Woody.

If the current staff does not succeed? It's going to be hard for Fife to ever be a serious candidate. 

It's a smart calculated risk. If he wasn't plugged in he'd arguably have a far lesser chance at the IU head gig.

[Kentuckysucks]

If Woody fails and they want a former IU player then Lewis would make a lot more sense than Fife.

[IUc2016]

1 minute ago, Kentuckysucks said:

If Woody fails and they want a former IU player then Lewis would make a lot more sense than Fife.

THIS I agree with.

My hope is that he is hired at Butler once Lavall is fired and he goes on a 4-5 year run with them to make his name and then we hire him. No, I don't want Butler to be very good but if I am Butler that is who I would go after. 

[Chris007]

14 minutes ago, IUc2016 said:

THIS I agree with.

My hope is that he is hired at Butler once Lavall is fired and he goes on a 4-5 year run with them to make his name and then we hire him. No, I don't want Butler to be very good but if I am Butler that is who I would go after. 

I'm hearing Purdue assistant Terry Johnson will get a long look at Butler. He was an assistant at Butler for 10 years, then went with Holtman to OSU before going to Purdue. 

[IUc2016]

Just now, Chris007 said:

I'm hearing Purdue assistant Terry Johnson will get a long look at Butler. He was an assistant at Butler for 10 years, then went with Holtman to OSU before going to Purdue. 

Yeah I didn't figure Lewis would get much of a look but just kinda what I hoped would happen

[lillurk]

1. Feel what you feel, post what you post, but the season’s not over. I understand the likely outcome, and I think everyone agrees the NIT would be a disappointment.

2. …but there are degrees of disappointment. Caring about a basketball team isn’t zero sum. The program is in vastly better position than it was a year ago. If IU misses the tournament it will be by a very small margin — flip a game here or there. And IU was in tons of close games. That’s a different sort of disappointment than getting run off your own floor by Indiana State on the first night of the season.

3. If you think IU’s failure to win close games 2019-present is reflective of some unchangeable character that infected the program, I understand being big mad. I think it’s more than likely just a couple things: bad luck, and less talent (especially at guard).

4. The luck, well, just shake your head. The talent can be fixed. IU is the sort of place where it can be fixed without miracles. And one of the big sources of the dearth of guard talent isn’t coaching anywhere right now.

5. This dovetails with the source of some other frustration, I sense: whataboutnextyear? A good question, of course. I don’t know the answer. But Woody did alright last summer, knows more of what to expect and what he needs this time around. IU had the best defense in the conference this year, and I think more guys CMW and co. pick will mean they get better on the other side of the ball.

[IUc2016]

8 minutes ago, lillurk said:

1. Feel what you feel, post what you post, but the season’s not over. I understand the likely outcome, and I think everyone agrees the NIT would be a disappointment.

2. …but there are degrees of disappointment. Caring about a basketball team isn’t zero sum. The program is in vastly better position than it was a year ago. If IU misses the tournament it will be by a very small margin — flip a game here or there. And IU was in tons of close games. That’s a different sort of disappointment than getting run off your own floor by Indiana State on the first night of the season.

3. If you think IU’s failure to win close games 2019-present is reflective of some unchangeable character that infected the program, I understand being big mad. I think it’s more than likely just a couple things: bad luck, and less talent (especially at guard).

4. The luck, well, just shake your head. The talent can be fixed. IU is the sort of place where it can be fixed without miracles. And one of the big sources of the dearth of guard talent isn’t coaching anywhere right now.

5. This dovetails with the source of some other frustration, I sense: whataboutnextyear? A good question, of course. I don’t know the answer. But Woody did alright last summer, knows more of what to expect and what he needs this time around. IU had the best defense in the conference this year, and I think more guys CMW and co. pick will mean they get better on the other side of the ball.

Agree with everything here. Missing the tournament will be a failure and I don't think that is debatable. But that doesn't mean the Woody era is doomed to fail. He still has the same recruits coming in that he had before the season and they are in on some really good players. The defense was a major improvement this year and it was fun to watch at times. The offense just needs shot makers, same story for the last half decade. 

Also, IMO Woody was 2/3 (X and Durr were positives) in the transfer market last year which gives me confidence he can make some good moves this year.

HOPEFULLY IU can get some much needed player development that this program lacked under Archie and we can get back to having top end Big Ten talent on this roster. 

Go Hoosiers. 

[AKHoosier]

I understand everything is cyclical, but you have your head in the sand if you don't realize the only B1G programs we're clearly ahead of at this point are Nebraska, Minnesota, Maryland, Penn State, and Northwestern.

The rest have passed us by.

We'll probably lose TJD and Race after this year, so how does it get better before it gets worse?

Woodson is looking at a 4 year rebuild, which means he'll be well over 65 when we get back to respectability. Does he have the energy for that? 

Yeah I have my doubts to say the least. Admittedly I was off the bandwagon as soon as his hire was announced, but was encouraged with the Fife hire and Hunter/Rosemond on the bench.

But now? A whole season is pretty much under his belt and the rest of the B1G knows how to negative recruit IU. They've seen his offense, and refusal to give major minutes to younger players. 

We're missing a hell of a lot of ingredients in the recipe for success. 

[Chris007]

17 minutes ago, lillurk said:

1. Feel what you feel, post what you post, but the season’s not over. I understand the likely outcome, and I think everyone agrees the NIT would be a disappointment.

2. …but there are degrees of disappointment. Caring about a basketball team isn’t zero sum. The program is in vastly better position than it was a year ago. If IU misses the tournament it will be by a very small margin — flip a game here or there. And IU was in tons of close games. That’s a different sort of disappointment than getting run off your own floor by Indiana State on the first night of the season.

3. If you think IU’s failure to win close games 2019-present is reflective of some unchangeable character that infected the program, I understand being big mad. I think it’s more than likely just a couple things: bad luck, and less talent (especially at guard).

4. The luck, well, just shake your head. The talent can be fixed. IU is the sort of place where it can be fixed without miracles. And one of the big sources of the dearth of guard talent isn’t coaching anywhere right now.

5. This dovetails with the source of some other frustration, I sense: whataboutnextyear? A good question, of course. I don’t know the answer. But Woody did alright last summer, knows more of what to expect and what he needs this time around. IU had the best defense in the conference this year, and I think more guys CMW and co. pick will mean they get better on the other side of the ball.

Not only the defense but the turnover improvement was really good. I didn't realize this.

 

[Chris007]

2 minutes ago, AKHoosier said:

I understand everything is cyclical, but you have your head in the sand if you don't realize the only B1G programs we're clearly ahead of at this point are Nebraska, Minnesota, Maryland, Penn State, and Northwestern.

The rest have passed us by.

We'll probably lose TJD and Race after this year, so how does it get better before it gets worse?

Woodson is looking at a 4 year rebuild, which means he'll be well over 65 when we get back to respectability. Does he have the energy for that? 

Yeah I have my doubts to say the least. Admittedly I was off the bandwagon as soon as his hire was announced, but was encouraged with the Fife hire and Hunter/Rosemond on the bench.

But now? A whole season is pretty much under his belt and the rest of the B1G knows how to negative recruit IU. They've seen his offense, and refusal to give major minutes to younger players. 

We're missing a hell of a lot of ingredients in the recipe for success. 

Not to spoil your Debbie Downness but Race said a few minutes ago it's very possible he comes back next year. 

[lillurk]

1 minute ago, Chris007 said:

Not to spoil your Debbie Downness but Race said a few minutes ago it's very possible he comes back next year. 

Also one for the haters: the offense creates a bunch of open shots (even without many shot creators!). Just have to hit ‘em

 

[Chris007]

"Hoosiers for Good" is a new NIL project that will be spearheaded by Cook and work with the Hoosier Hysterics guys. It will help pay IU athletes to help do charitable things around town. Sorry, probably not life-changing NIL since they want to work with all athletes. 

https://hoosiersforgood.org/?fbclid=IwAR06-MKG3q_wvFJoQnufNSwZXP1_2Hxs-Mzya5EavriaRi882IAZr4k33uY

[Hoosierfan2017]

54 minutes ago, lillurk said:

Also one for the haters: the offense creates a bunch of open shots (even without many shot creators!). Just have to hit ‘em

 

Our inability to shoot plays a big part in a statistic like this. Teams sag off our players when they’re behind the arc, both because we can’t hit 3s and because our two best players are post guys. It seems like almost every 3 Xavier takes is uncontested. Same thing happened with Rob against Minnesota. 

[8bucks]

59 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Not to spoil your Debbie Downness but Race said a few minutes ago it's very possible he comes back next year. 

That is a good sign for guys like me that wonder how the players feel about the staff this far in.  Like is Woody living up to the commitments he made to help them improve. Does he still connect well with them even as the year has gone in. 

[hoosierbgh]

1 hour ago, Chris007 said:

Not to spoil your Debbie Downness but Race said a few minutes ago it's very possible he comes back next year. 

That would be huge!

[Chris007]

1 minute ago, 8bucks said:

That is a good sign for guys like me that wonder how the players feel about the staff this far in.  Like is Woody living up to the commitments he made to help them improve. Does he still connect well with them even as the year has gone in. 

From what I have been told, heard they love playing for him, especially the younger guys like JG, Leal, and Galloway. Lander not so much maybe. There haven't really been chemistry issues, everyone seems to like each other. 

[vemmeistars]

He said he hasn't decided. But would you prefer Race to come back for 1 year or have Geronimo for 3 more years?

Obviously, would love to have both, but I do wonder if playing time is a concern for Geronimo.

Edited March 8, 2022 by vemmeistars