Player decisions

[iu eyedoc]

IMHO, a 1 time no sit transfer with unlimited ability to transfer when HC change would be fair. I think the NCAA, sees and likes the offseason interest that this is creating, like NFL free agency, and likes the buzz, but this seasons free for all is ridiculous. They also should create a small window, say for 1 month after the FF that a player can no sit transfer.

Over 20 P6 schools have 5 players in the portal(4 in the B1G), some smaller schools have 10+ players. As it is constituted this season, the transfer portal, is unsustainable.

[ib4iu]

1 minute ago, iu eyedoc said:

IMHO, a 1 time no sit transfer with unlimited ability to transfer when HC change would be fair. I think the NCAA, sees and likes the offseason interest that this is creating, like NFL free agency and likes the buzz, but this seasons free for all is ridiculous. They also should create a small window, say for 1 month after the FF that a player can no sit transfer.

Over 20 P6 schools have 5 players in the portal(4 in the B1G), some smaller schools have 10+ players. As it is constituted this season, the transfer portal, is unsustainable.

Maybe they should make it like open recruiting periods and allow them to make campus visits but each school is only allowed so many. Or like you state a 1 month open window. I agree a free for all is horrible. NCAA will finally be getting rid of one and some thanks to the NBA changing their rules and then this will happen. I’m fine with a no sit transfer if the coach changes jobs. It’ll be really interesting once these players can earn money on their likeness. 

[Honkyman]

My guess is that Lander wants to and will return if he is getting assurance of player development. Geronimo will transfer to either Rutgers or Seaton Hall to be closer to home. Armaan Franklin is getting the hard sell from several schools and will likely transfer, probably to Illinois. Race Thompson may return or may transfer to Minnesota or even Wisconsin (Madison isn't far from Minneapolis). When people have a bad experience, they sometimes want to just get away from it all. These players have a chance to experience something else other than Indiana University and for Geronimo and Race Thompson play closer to home. Race haas been here for four years so it is understandable he might want to leave.

[Brass Cannon]

39 minutes ago, FrenchConnection said:

Coaches will have to re-recruit their own players in addition to recruiting high school students players. 

As opposed to the real world where bosses don’t have to treat you fairly?  

[Chris007]

1 minute ago, Honkyman said:

My guess is that Lander wants to and will return if he is getting assurance of player development. Geronimo will transfer to either Rutgers or Seaton Hall to be closer to home. Armaan Franklin is getting the hard sell from several schools and will likely transfer, probably to Illinois. Race Thompson may return or may transfer to Minnesota or even Wisconsin (Madison isn't far from Minneapolis). When people have a bad experience, they sometimes want to just get away from it all. These players have a chance to experience something else other than Indiana University and for Geronimo and Race Thompson play closer to home. Race haas been here for four years so it is understandable he might want to leave.

I would like to see Franklin stay but if he doesn't want to be here, we have to bring in someone who wants to be here. Jordan's mom has said he needs to be closer to home, and agrees Race has earned the right to go wherever he wants. 

[Magnanimous]

59 minutes ago, FrenchConnection said:

There’s an article in SI this morning that says that the NCAA is about to adopt this transfer rule permanently. So this is the new norm. This is terrible for coaches. If you don’t give a freshman his minutes, even if he doesn’t earn them in practice, he’ll just transfer. It’s bad for us too. But it is great for the players. They’ll collaborate with top players they know from AAU to form super teams.

Super teams are nothing new in college. The blue chip prospects have been congregating at a handful of programs for decades. 

The transfer rule is annoying, but I’m not up in arms about it. I do think you should have to sit a year if you transfer twice, but overall kids should be allowed to change schools like any other student. If you have the right coaches in place it’s the other guy’s problem. 

The biggest thing is getting rid of one and done. That goes and a lot of the problems plaguing CBB go away. The second biggest thing is not letting today’s high school players ever watch James Harden play. 

[Chris007]

34 minutes ago, HoosierFan1994 said:

I see both sides. The players say "Well, the coach can leave and not sit right away!" I understand why say Texas Tech players are upset right now. However I think it sends a terrible message. Any adversity and you can run the other way. I think there needs to be a middle ground: You get to transfer one time without sitting out. The next time, you sit out regardless of the circumstance. The reason I love college basketball is seeing players join as freshman and leave as seniors. For the most part that happens at IU. I hope it stays that way. 

Chris Beard has had 5 jobs in 9 years. Think about the kids he's recruited. 

[Brass Cannon]

6 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Chris Beard has had 5 jobs in 9 years. Think about the kids he's recruited. 

Could definitely use that as fodder to recruit against him 

[LamarCheeks]

10 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Chris Beard has had 5 jobs in 9 years. Think about the kids he's recruited. 

I'm guessing those two weeks at UNLV hold a special place in his heart! 

[Chris007]

Just now, LamarCheeks said:

I'm guessing those two weeks at UNLV hold a special place in his heart! 

He will always be part of the UNLV family

[HoosierInParadise]

Tom Crean will love this...

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[iu eyedoc]

5 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

Could definitely use that as fodder to recruit against him 

Meh, no one is going to say are you really going to send your kid to play for a guy that left McMurry for Angelo St, or UALR for TT.

His moves have all been upward and he is now at his Woodson's IU. He is locked in and will be there for 20yrs if he is successful.

2012–2013	McMurry
2013–2015	Angelo State
2015–2016	Little Rock
2016–2021	Texas Tech
2021–present	Texas

[Brass Cannon]

1 minute ago, iu eyedoc said:

Meh, no one is going to say are you really going to send your kid to play for a guy that left McMurry for Angelo St, or UALR for TT.

His moves have all been upward and he is now at his Woodson's IU. He is locked in and will be there for 20yrs if he is successful.

2012–2013	McMurry
2013–2015	Angelo State
2015–2016	Little Rock
2016–2021	Texas Tech
2021–present	Texas

Not saying it’s true.  But I would still mention the possibility of him bolting to the NBA

[RaceToTheTop]

16 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

Could definitely use that as fodder to recruit against him 

Except he is now at a spot that he has stated is his dream job.

[IUHoosierJoe]

14 hours ago, FrenchConnection said:

I know Duncomb meant it as a compliment, but this is the first thing that I’ve heard about Woodson since his hiring that makes me concerned. These kids are used to being told what they want to hear from a young age. As soon as they show any promise, AAU programs start recruiting them and promising them the world and telling them that they are already a perfect player. Now Woody comes along and says “you need to work on x, y, and z to even play at the college level.” There’s a reason that car salesmen lie to people. 

Lying to kids doesn't work either.  That's why there are over a thousand of them in the transfer portal.

[Brass Cannon]

Just now, brumdog45 said:

Except he is now at a spot that he has stated is his dream job.

Still would use it against him. Stuff doesn’t have to be true to be used against a coach.  

[RaceToTheTop]

6 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

Not saying it’s true.  But I would still mention the possibility of him bolting to the NBA

I don’t think he is a desired NBA coach.  His coaching style is literally the opposite of NBA. 

[Hillsdale87]

My guess is that Lander wants to and will return if he is getting assurance of player development. Geronimo will transfer to either Rutgers or Seaton Hall to be closer to home. Armaan Franklin is getting the hard sell from several schools and will likely transfer, probably to Illinois. Race Thompson may return or may transfer to Minnesota or even Wisconsin (Madison isn't far from Minneapolis). When people have a bad experience, they sometimes want to just get away from it all. These players have a chance to experience something else other than Indiana University and for Geronimo and Race Thompson play closer to home. Race haas been here for four years so it is understandable he might want to leave.

Is there anything in particular that leads you to think Franklin is leaving? Transferring in conference would be a blow


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[Hoosierfan222]

7 minutes ago, Free Jurkin! said:

Is there anything in particular that leads you to think Franklin is leaving? Transferring in conference would be a blow


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I can’t speak for them but I know he has a Zoom with Illinois Saturday.... 

Illinois has been going HARD after him. I’m not optimistic.

[iu eyedoc]

7 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

Not saying it’s true.  But I would still mention the possibility of him bolting to the NBA

Not sure saying "do you want to play for a guy that has been so successful with his players and style that NBA teams are interested and that he man leave before you graduate or go pro?" is a good angle. Anywhere else than UT and I think that that could be used against him, but UT is his destination school.

It would be like recruiting against Roy Williams a few years back and saying he left UK for UNC, are you sure he won't bolt from UNC. It was known that UNC was his Everest, much like UT is Beards.