Chris007 Posted January 23, 2024 Posted January 23, 2024 1 minute ago, Hornsby said: No I am just trying to understand what leads people to think he will change after 40 years? You saw how devisive he got when questioned in a press conference. Sent from my SM-A146U using Tapatalk I think when your dream job is threatened, you have to make a choice. If he loves being the IU head coach, then change or move on to retirement. thebigweave, Banksyrules and Artie86 3
Hornsby Posted January 23, 2024 Posted January 23, 2024 Because he has shown more and more signs of this is past month. Those that don’t want to see it, aren’t. We are dead last in the big ten in the number of three point shots. We just got blown out two games in a row. I get you love Woodson but i look at results. Sent from my SM-A146U using Tapatalk
Hornsby Posted January 23, 2024 Posted January 23, 2024 I think when your dream job is threatened, you have to make a choice. If he loves being the IU head coach, then change or move on to retirement. I think it was his dream job but on his terms. But if he is really told you need to produce or you are out I think he steps down. I don't believe he has it in him to live this job 24/7 365 days a year from what I see. But he may also just tell dolson what he wants to hear and then step down after next year before he is canned.Sent from my SM-A146U using Tapatalk
Dillion Posted January 23, 2024 Posted January 23, 2024 I often wonder what level of recruitment these high school kids are actually looking for from the head coach. Do they expect multiple visits or are they looking for more contact? What makes them "feel the love"? Does a text message from the head coach congratulating a player after a good game suffice or do they actually need to show up for the games?I think it could be any of those as long as it’s the head coach and not the assistant most of the time. Especially when the head coach of the other schools recruiting him are doing most of the legwork. This family loves IU and they love Walsh he has done a fantastic job but Walsh isn’t the head coach. He isn’t coming to play for Walsh just like he wouldn’t go to Purdue or Notre Dame to play for the assistant coach. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk thebigweave 1
Popular Post Hoosierfan2017 Posted January 23, 2024 Popular Post Posted January 23, 2024 15 minutes ago, Ngw7183 said: Because he has shown more and more signs of this is past month. Those that don’t want to see it, aren’t. Was playing Payton Sparks 29 minutes against Wisconsin after he played a total of 11 minutes in IU’s prior 5 conference games a sign of Woodson’s willingness to change? Because that sure looked like a commitment to his same 20th century gameplan. Leo, IUrocker, Kentuckysucks and 5 others 7 1
hper50 Posted January 23, 2024 Posted January 23, 2024 1 hour ago, Chris007 said: I don't disagree with moving on after this year but he's visiting Davis tonight who is a 24 PG and we're still in on Queen who is making his decision in a few weeks. So we're not totally done with the 24 class. We could end up with 2 McDonalds All Americans. Agreed. Plus how different could this year have looked with Jakai Newton? Not saying he'd be a superstar by any means but one more viable/explosive guard Chris007 and Ngw7183 2
Scotty R Posted January 23, 2024 Posted January 23, 2024 28 minutes ago, Hornsby said: Well that is great what does it matter though if Woodon continues to run the same system. We are never going anywhere with his 1980's nba offense and I am pretty sure he will never change. Is he suddenly going to start to shoot threes like other teams? I doubt it. Sent from my SM-A146U using Tapatalk It isn't the 80's NBA because during the era scoring was high and a lot of fast breaks(The Showtime Lakers)
Scotty R Posted January 23, 2024 Posted January 23, 2024 27 minutes ago, Chris007 said: He's going on the road to recruit Davis We sure it is to see Davis and not Queen
BleedCubbieBlue Posted January 23, 2024 Posted January 23, 2024 9 minutes ago, Dillion said: I think it could be any of those as long as it’s the head coach and not the assistant most of the time. Especially when the head coach of the other schools recruiting him are doing most of the legwork. This family loves IU and they love Walsh he has done a fantastic job but Walsh isn’t the head coach. He isn’t coming to play for Walsh just like he wouldn’t go to Purdue or Notre Dame to play for the assistant coach. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk That is disappointing. I understand that a head coach's time is valuable, but sending a text message to a recruit after a game takes 2 minutes. Hell, I am surprised we don't have someone on staff that writes the text message for Woody. That honestly borders on malpractice. AZ Hoosier and Kentuckysucks 2
KYHoosier Posted January 23, 2024 Posted January 23, 2024 (edited) 51 minutes ago, southernindianahoosier2 said: I'm genuinely concerned that even if we started 5 burger boys, the output on the court wouldn't change much. Agree, I think one could argue Woody's most talented team he will have at IU was last years team with TJD and JHS. It think the biggest coaching concern with Woody is his in-game management which we can all agree has been pretty poor. To me this is very concerning and doesn't appear that he has any thoughts of changing it as he continues to do it every game. You can't be a poor in game coach and expect to go on deep runs in the tournament unless you have Duke or UK talent. Edited January 23, 2024 by KYHoosier Ngw7183 and Banksyrules 1 1
Chris007 Posted January 23, 2024 Posted January 23, 2024 9 minutes ago, Scotty R said: It isn't the 80's NBA because during the era scoring was high and a lot of fast breaks(The Showtime Lakers) We play like the 80's of Hakeem and Sampson in the game together for the Houston Rockets Uspshoosier 1
Chris007 Posted January 23, 2024 Posted January 23, 2024 8 minutes ago, Scotty R said: We sure it is to see Davis and not Queen Davis has a game tonight so I assumed it was him but you could be right
WayneFleekHoosier Posted January 23, 2024 Posted January 23, 2024 Has nothing to do with “love” of Woody. Called being logical and seeing where gaps are and what causes that. it is all guards and has been. I see guards pass up wide open 3p shots all the time. Let even 2 of those fly per game and they are fine on 3p attempts. This is why a different roster would make a difference. You asked, I answered. If we are being real, you cant stand him, have your mind made up and creates confirmation bias. Has nothing to do with Love or dislike of a coach. The W/Ls determine that. How the team looks on the court. When the objective is to win B1Gs and compete for national titles and your team is 100th best in the country all you can do is look in mirror and realize you’ve been a failure thus far. As far as recruiting Davis being some turning point or saving grace is laughable to me. He does seem like a good enough guard but expecting a player like him to come into the B1G and make any difference as a freshman is laughable. If he’s willing to be a building block, sure. Indiana’s approach is always backwards. Grab the kid from Harvard, grab some other older guard that has demonstrated the ability to do it at the college level. It’s like our coaching searches. Grab the guy that shows he can do it at the level you desire. Woody, to me, is a likeable guy. I want nothing but for him to kill it. But we have 3 years of evidence to indicate what we will get. Is he going to change his philosophies? Recruit better players? Get them over the hump? Sent from my iPad using BtownBanners mobile app GoIU8, Hoosierfan2017, Ngw7183 and 3 others 5 1
Hornsby Posted January 23, 2024 Posted January 23, 2024 Agree, I think one could argue Woody's most talented team he will have at IU was last years team with TJD and JHS. It think the biggest coaching concern with Woody is his in-game management which we can all agree has been pretty poor. To me this is very concerning and doesn't appear that he has any thoughts of changing it as he continues to do it every game. You can't be a poor in game coach and expect to go on deep runs in the tournament unless you have Duke or UK talent.Last year was his high water mark. He will never have a duo like that again imo.Sent from my SM-A146U using Tapatalk Ngw7183 1
Chris007 Posted January 23, 2024 Posted January 23, 2024 16 minutes ago, Hornsby said: Last year was his high water mark. He will never have a duo like that again imo. Sent from my SM-A146U using Tapatalk We have to remember the administration thought he was doing such a good job that they gave him a million-dollar raise last summer. So that might be some of his reluctance to change. He's thinking I just got a raise for doing what I was doing, why change now?
Hoosierfan2017 Posted January 23, 2024 Posted January 23, 2024 I have no expectation of them firing Woodson absent something extreme like literally not winning another game. I just think not firing him is wasting a season and putting off the inevitable. IU knew going into this that he wasn’t a long-term option. He turns 66 in two months. If he was 46 then sure, maybe give him more time to figure it out. Time isn’t something on Woodson’s side. Not all 60+ year olds are old. Coach Cig turns 63 this June and I don’t think there’s a person out there concerned about his energy/hunger. It’s dripping off him. Woodson, though? Well… If he was hired as a “bridge guy,” move on before he burns down the bridge. Another year like this one would do exactly that. Another year like this one and we’ll be in a much worse spot when it comes to hiring a new coach. He could land a good spring class/portal class, but I have serious doubts based off last spring. Hornsby, GoIU8 and IUrocker 3
Hornsby Posted January 23, 2024 Posted January 23, 2024 I have no expectation of them firing Woodson absent something extreme like literally not winning another game. I just think not firing him is wasting a season and putting off the inevitable. IU knew going into this that he wasn’t a long-term option. He turns 66 in two months. If he was 46 then sure, maybe give him more time to figure it out. Time isn’t something on Woodson’s side. Not all 60+ year olds are old. Coach Cig turns 63 this June and I don’t think there’s a person out there concerned about his energy/hunger. It’s dripping off him. Woodson, though? Well… If he was hired as a “bridge guy,” move on before he burns down the bridge. Another year like this one would do exactly that. Another year like this one and we’ll be in a much worse spot when it comes to hiring a new coach. He could land a good spring class/portal class, but I have serious doubts based off last spring. 100% my thoughts as well but IU always does things the hard way and wastes more time. Crean and archie both should have been gone several years earlier. And now we will rinse and repeat once again.Sent from my SM-A146U using Tapatalk
str8baller Posted January 23, 2024 Posted January 23, 2024 1 hour ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said: Only ones I can think of are Roy Williams from Kansas to UNC and Self from Illinois to Kansas. Both happened in the same year and have pretty odd extenuating circumstances which don’t remotely apply to us. Roy is pretty obvious. When Roy left, he left an open spot at a true blue blood, being run by the most competent basketball administrations in the country, that was—at that very moment—a championship level team. Kansas had just come off of FF runs and was still loaded with 5-stars. It was a blue blood, championship, turn key operation for Self on Day 1. It was truly a case of Self leaving very good for a guaranteed shot at greatness. There wasn’t even baggage from the old legendary coach because he left for home. Indiana offers none of that. In fact, almost no job openings in college basketball ever offer anything like that. Ngw7183 and BannerVille 1 1
Chris007 Posted January 23, 2024 Posted January 23, 2024 7 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said: I have no expectation of them firing Woodson absent something extreme like literally not winning another game. I just think not firing him is wasting a season and putting off the inevitable. IU knew going into this that he wasn’t a long-term option. He turns 66 in two months. If he was 46 then sure, maybe give him more time to figure it out. Time isn’t something on Woodson’s side. Not all 60+ year olds are old. Coach Cig turns 63 this June and I don’t think there’s a person out there concerned about his energy/hunger. It’s dripping off him. Woodson, though? Well… If he was hired as a “bridge guy,” move on before he burns down the bridge. Another year like this one would do exactly that. Another year like this one and we’ll be in a much worse spot when it comes to hiring a new coach. He could land a good spring class/portal class, but I have serious doubts based off last spring. How do you give someone a million-dollar raise for doing a good job, then less than a year later fire them for not doing a good job and give them a 12 million-dollar buyout? If that is the case someone else would need to be fired also. monskisprodigy, WayneFleekHoosier, thebigweave and 2 others 5
Scotty R Posted January 23, 2024 Posted January 23, 2024 46 minutes ago, Chris007 said: Davis has a game tonight so I assumed it was him but you could be right 47 minutes ago, Chris007 said: We play like the 80's of Hakeem and Sampson in the game together for the Houston Rockets When Houston was at its best it was 94 and 95 and that team hit a lot of 3's as well Chris007 1
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