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[Trish 14,559]

I'm not sure this has been posted but..

Tom Ostrom, our associate head-coach, lost his mother last Thursday. He flew out of Bloomington after practice on Thursday night. He was able to spend some time with her before she passed. He rented a car and drove back to Indiana the next day before the Purdue game.

Stuff like that reminds me and hopefully all of us that these coaches are human, they have feelings and experience personal struggles like us. We don't know what's going on behind the scenes everyday. 

[Trish 14,559]

2 minutes ago, coonhounds said:

A better coach. Archie sucks flat out plain and simple.

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It's not a guarantee.

We all wanted a big time coach four years ago because we're Indiana and we deserve it! Well it didn't work out like that. Glass interviewed one person and that was a mid-major coach. 

Indiana is in the dumpster fire right now. Our chances of landing a great coach seems slim. 

[Uspshoosier 55,386]

3 minutes ago, Treesh said:

It's not a guarantee.

We all wanted a big time coach four years ago because we're Indiana and we deserve it! Well it didn't work out like that. Glass interviewed one person and that was a mid-major coach. 

Indiana is in the dumpster fire right now. Our chances of landing a great coach seems slim. 

You left out the part where that mid-major coach was the hottest young coaching  name in the business at the time.  

[Trish 14,559]

1 minute ago, Uspshoosier said:

You left out the part where that mid-major coach was the hottest young coaching  name in the business at the time.  

We could say he was indeed one of the hottest names in college basketball.

But hey, so was Shaka Smart. It took him FIVE YEARS to build something at Texas!

Every coaching hire is hit or miss obviously unless you're hiring one of the Roy Williams, Coach K, etc. There's not many available names right now. There's not really a hot name in college basketball. UNC, DUKE, CUSE, KANSAS, could all be available before you know it. We failed to land a big name four years ago, I think we'll fail this year as well if we do decide to make a change.

That's why I don't think it would be the end of the world if we kept Archie one more year. Perhaps more names become intriguied with the potential of Indiana. Maybe Brad Stevens decides it's time. Maybe Billy D says the Bulls won't be good at all in the future. Who knows...

I wish I was optimistic about a hire this year but it's hard. 

[Hoosierfan2017 25,487]

26 minutes ago, hoosierpap said:

 

You both think Archie isn't the answer and needs to go. I'm saying I get that. What you both fail to acknowledge is who you're bringing in to replace him and the realities of that move. I think this is the fork in the road where the reality and the fanatical splits.

Dolson might bring Archie back next year for whatever reason, but I’d be shocked if he disagreed with us and didn’t think that Archie isn’t the answer and needs to go. The results speak for themselves. We fired Crean for accomplishing way more.  
 

If he doesn’t fire him this year he’ll have to make a decision next season to either fire him or extend him. Archie will only have two years left on his contract at that point. Will the realities of replacing him be that much better this time next year to be worth putting up with another season like this one? 

[Chris007 62,637]

11 hours ago, Treesh said:

If Archie can land this kid for next year or that Auburn kid.. mhmm...

I think he is IU's if we really want him from what I've heard. Don't know if he would pull a Jimmy Chitwood and say I play coach stays. Hopefully, he doesn't care who the coach is. 

[Uspshoosier 55,386]

32 minutes ago, coonhounds said:

A better coach. Archie sucks flat out plain and simple.

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And this is where it gets tricky and having a starved fanbase that hasn’t experienced success in a long time makes it difficult.  I have no doubt Dolson could pull the trigger and bring in someone that would have more success in the short term even if it isn’t his guy.    With the lack of success it’s not going to take much to improve on what has been done here over the last 20 years.   Any glimmer of success is going to send this fan base into a frenzy and I would be afraid if it’s just another guy to replace what you got  and not the guy Dolson Really wanted there could be a case of fools gold.   Hopkins, Iowa St coach, Keats and many others are all coaches that when first hired had some success early.    If that happens here the coach is going to be crowned the savior.   Fast forward a couple years and those guys are struggling way more  now and might not be the answer some thought they were at the time.   
 

this is why Dolson is in a tough spot.  Nothing is guaranteed.  Firing him doesn’t guarantee the next coach will have success and keeping him until you find your guy doesn’t guarantee success.   IU has a 5 star fan base that has been given 3 and 2 star results by the program they are invested in.   Tough spot no matter how you view it 

[Josh 13,515]

10 hours ago, hoosierpap said:

I honestly don't think IU makes the move this year. 

Thanks for peeing in my cereal this morning pap

[HoosierFan1994 5,359]

4 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

And this is where it gets tricky and having a starved fanbase that hasn’t experienced success in a long time makes it difficult.  I have no doubt Dolson could pull the trigger and bring in someone that would have more success in the short term even if it isn’t his guy.    With the lack of success it’s not going to take much to improve on what has been done here over the last 20 years.   Any glimmer of success is going to send this fan base into a frenzy and I would be afraid if it’s just another guy to replace what you got  and not the guy Dolson Really wanted there could be a case of fools gold.   Hopkins, Iowa St coach, Keats and many others are all coaches that when first hired had some success early.    If that happens here the coach is going to be crowned the savior.   Fast forward a couple years and those guys are struggling way more  now and might not be the answer some thought they were at the time.   
 

this is why Dolson is in a tough spot.  Nothing is guaranteed.  Firing him doesn’t guarantee the next  coach will have success and keeping him until you find your guy doesn’t guarantee success.   IU has a 5 star fan base that has been given 3 and 2 star results by the program they are invested in.   Tough spot no matter how you view it 

This is well said! I just think if you know your coach isn't the guy, you move on. It's Scott Dolson's job to find the right guy. Even Brad Stevens isn't a sure thing! Nobody is. But that doesn't mean this program should keep Archie. 

I'm also curious...was Archie really the only person this university interviewed in 2017? That is pathetic if so. 

[Trish 14,559]

10 hours ago, hoosierpap said:

I honestly don't think IU makes the move this year. That's some of what I've heard, some of what I know about the AD(department, not director), some about the current economic situation blah blah blah. Anyways, I'm just going on a hypothetical from the rest of this post on out. Here is what I WOULD do...not what is going to happen...Someone asked what my list would be and i'd say a mix between ideally and realistically...

 

Stevens, Donovan, Bennett...unrealistic. I would try for a Matta or Beilein and hire a top "emerging" candidate as assistant. Matta/Beilein stable things, 2-3 years, hire the up-and-comer the agreed assurance that if they meet certain marks individually they get first consideration for HC. Solid coaches w upside, methinks, would take that opportunity. IU is more of a monster waiting to be unchained than some of you have been beaten down to believe, imo. 

So you're telling me the Archie Miller train rolls on potentially?

Hop on everyone! We're going to the Final Four next year under Archie Miller!

[Chris007 62,637]

9 hours ago, Uspshoosier said:

You can try to explain but it’s not going to do anything.   People are mad and anything short of him gone isn’t going to be good enough for most the fans here.   Personally like you I think it’s pretty simple.  If Dolson feels he has a candidate lined up and he has his guy then a change will be made.   If he doesn’t have his long term guy lined up he is going to let the process play out and do what he feels is the right move.   Fans can say they won’t be back if he is back and won’t go to games if he is coach but an Athletic Director in his first year has to make the long play on what he feels is that right move.    Fans not showing up to me would be in the category of I will believe when I see it.   Dolson didn’t make this mess but he is the guy that has to clean it up.   I have no doubt he is going to make the decision that he feels will be the best for IU moving forward.   The only problem with giving him another year if he doesn’t have his guy lined up is what happens if he wins the B1G or makes a run in next year tourney?  I don’t think you could give him a full multi year extension based off 1 year compared to 4 but for recruiting purposes you would have to do something.    Glad it’s not my decision.  Either way is going to have big risks 

I think what I'm scared of the most is if or when we wait till next year, you have several coaches decide they want to retire like Coach K, Boeheim, Izzo, Williams. Then it would make IU like the 2nd or 3rd best option out there. 

[Hoosier Guy 8,333]

3 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

I think what I'm scared of the most is if or when we wait till next year, you have several coaches decide they want to retire like Coach K, Boeheim, Izzo, Williams. Then it would make IU like the 2nd or 3rd best option out there. 

This is true. No matter how we slice it, Duke and UNC are bigger gigs right now. Most coaches would go to either of those two schools to succeed those greats. If IU can get a guy now, they have to pull the trigger

[Uspshoosier 55,386]

1 minute ago, Chris007 said:

I think what I'm scared of the most is if or when we wait till next year, you have several coaches decide they want to retire like Coach K, Boeheim, Izzo, Williams. Then it would make IU like the 2nd or 3rd best option out there. 

Yeah risks either way.   Each one of those guys mentioned is a hall of fame guy and history shows you don’t want to be the guy to replace a legend.   Landscape of college basketball has changed so much since the last time those universities have had to hire a coach and this is my opinion but I think they are going to find out it’s going to be a difficult transition.   Sometimes being the 2nd or 3rd best option works out in the end.    Tough call 

[MikeRoberts 8,004]

7 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

I think what I'm scared of the most is if or when we wait till next year, you have several coaches decide they want to retire like Coach K, Boeheim, Izzo, Williams. Then it would make IU like the 2nd or 3rd best option out there. 

There is no reason to wait outside of the buyout. Dolson has had time to work on this and has realistically another month to sort it out. That’s plenty of time to find a guy that will work for us. 
 

as I’ve said over and over, it’s not one guy he is looking for, there are plenty that will work out, just need to pick one of those. He needs to identify who those are and go after them

[Hoosierfan2017 25,487]

If coaches are hesitant to come here because of our ‘toxic’ fanbase, no coach will touch us with a ten foot pole after another year of Archie ball. Dolson needs to think long and hard about what a fifth Archie Miller season looks like. 

[Bowhunter 3,129]

Dolson is in a tough situation. Yes Archie has not lived up to what we thought, but if he don’t have a for sure home run guy waiting to take over, I’m not sure it makes a lot of sense to gamble on 10 mill buyout (overtime) to get another coach with the same risk value. Also Dolson could fire him this season and Archie gets it together with some shooters next season. I would cut him loose this season for the right guy, but I don’t think it’s as easy of a decision as it seems.


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[Stuhoo 93,464]

2 minutes ago, MikeRoberts said:

There is no reason to wait outside of the buyout. Dolson has had time to work on this and has realistically another month to sort it out. That’s plenty of time to find a guy that will work for us. 
 

as I’ve said over and over, it’s not one guy he is looking for, there are plenty that will work out, just need to pick one of those. He needs to identify who those are and go after them

 

Well stated. and, that's a big reason, especially since Archie can put together a reasonable team next year with transfers while football gives the IU fan base a happy face.

 

[Chris007 62,637]

Is anyone a member of the Wells house society? Dolson did a conference call with them last night. A few things he said that I saw on another site was that the elephant in the room is men's basketball. Said he disappointed in the inconsistencies of the basketball program but that he and Archie are 100% on the same page. Take that for what it's worth. 

[Chris007 62,637]

4 minutes ago, MikeRoberts said:

There is no reason to wait outside of the buyout. Dolson has had time to work on this and has realistically another month to sort it out. That’s plenty of time to find a guy that will work for us. 
 

as I’ve said over and over, it’s not one guy he is looking for, there are plenty that will work out, just need to pick one of those. He needs to identify who those are and go after them

Preaching to the choir

[Trish 14,559]

1 minute ago, Chris007 said:

Is anyone a member of the Wells house society? Dolson did a conference call with them last night. A few things he said that I saw on another site was that the elephant in the room is men's basketball. Said he disappointed in the inconsistencies of the basketball program but that he and Archie are 100% on the same page. Take that for what it's worth. 

Scott really likes Archie. This has to be tough for him.