realTomCrean Posted March 10 Posted March 10 3 minutes ago, EasyEJay said: This is another thing I don't understand you think the talent needed to compete at a high level in the Big ten cares about how many D2 titles this dude won ? And when it comes to Cig we act like he had NO Power Conference experience LOL do you think he spends times talking to recruits about his time at IUP or Elon. Or his time at NC State coaching Phillip Rivers and Russell Wilson or His time at Alabama under Saban how he recruited Mark Ingram and Julio Jones. You think recruits that come to his office see displayed his Bama title rings or his IUP conference title rings ? LOL IU has top 5, top 10 at worst NIL. Counting on a seasoned support staff, but you can't teach the trait of being a winner. I get it, you'd rather have a guy with 10 year's experience and has made the tourney 60% of the time. I want the next great thing - and by all measures he looks that way. Btw to counter your ignorant point about "I coached him or him", didn't Cig say something to the effect of "Google me, I win"? BGleas 1
BA47591 Posted March 10 Posted March 10 Jmo, I don't think McCollum is going to be in a hurry to leave Drake. Hoosier987, J34, lillurk and 4 others 6 1
mdiu28 Posted March 10 Posted March 10 2 minutes ago, Silat Player said: The problem is that Drake doesn't exactly have big boy talent. How well they do is mostly going to be determined by who they're matched up with. I understand that. It plays to my point that we just don't know with McCollum. He's had unbelievable success at the D2 level and an awesome year 1 with Drake. I'd be more comfortable with Collins. IUguy77 and str8baller 1 1
Rusty Shackleford Posted March 10 Posted March 10 4 minutes ago, Motley's said: Right. I don't really see Cig as a "schmoozer", salesman type. He probably ranks donor meetings alongside colonoscopies. But the guy is supremely confident in his abilities and projects that. Also very media savvy. Boy, you guys really hate salespeople, huh? I just passed along what a twitter guy said about a coach needing to be like a salesman and all of a sudden it's "snake oil", "used car", and "schmoozer". The point is to communicate that at an IU level job, there are a lot of varied interest groups that need to be kept happy and a coach who wants to and can do that is more likely to succeed. Adding my 2 cents, I think this is the aspect of the job that Crean wore people out on and where Archie dramatically failed. Not the only aspect...but not a small part of it either. RaceToTheTop and thebigweave 2
realTomCrean Posted March 10 Posted March 10 2 minutes ago, Certified Sunshine Pumper said: They're gunna move the goal posts on you Agenda based posters. Ignore, here for substantial conversation. Too many emotional posters CSP and lillurk 2
AZ Hoosier Posted March 10 Posted March 10 12 minutes ago, realTomCrean said: It took me an hour to read today's messages. A few good shots at the naysayers, good information, baseless arguments, and a few who have visibly committed to hating anyone advocating for Brad S or Ben M. So, it's a day just like every day around here... :D J34 and realTomCrean 1 1
realTomCrean Posted March 10 Posted March 10 Just now, BA47591 said: Jmo, I don't think McCollum is going to be in a hurry to leave Drake. What makes you think that? Is this also if IU were to offer? Doubt he passes on 4x salary to stay as a Bulldog. 8bucks and theriverpilot 2
Motley's Posted March 10 Posted March 10 3 minutes ago, AZ Hoosier said: yes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pronunciation_of_GIF When I was at IU, there was a bar band touring Midwest campuses called "Jif and the Choosy Mothers". I believe they were from Iowa. ALASKA HOOSIER 1
IU5355 Posted March 10 Posted March 10 1 minute ago, BA47591 said: Jmo, I don't think McCollum is going to be in a hurry to leave Drake. Maybe, maybe not. Money does talk. theriverpilot 1
DougJr74 Posted March 10 Posted March 10 23 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said: I would take Cronin over McCollum 100 out of 100 times. The odds are against McCollum reaching even Cronin’s level of success. Why is that? realTomCrean and JustWinBaby 1 1
Hoosier987 Posted March 10 Posted March 10 9 minutes ago, AH1971 said: This is a really good perspective. There is a far better chance that someone like McCollum last 3-4 years than hangs a banner. When you hire a guy who has one complete season at the D1 level in any capacity with the expectations of "banners", you're going to fail more times than not. Cronin and McDermott will win you 20+ games, have you competing for B10 titles and subsequent protective seeds nearly every season. Get a top 4-5 seed every season and your chances of hanging the next banner increase drastically. Good post. Valid. Hornsby 1
Class of '66 Old Fart Posted March 10 Posted March 10 Just substitute coach for girls and that's where we're at. ALASKA HOOSIER, str8baller and Jet812 1 2
theriverpilot Posted March 10 Posted March 10 1 minute ago, BA47591 said: Jmo, I don't think McCollum is going to be in a hurry to leave Drake. I could be mistaken, but I saw that McCollum's salary is currently $275,000\year. Wouldn't it be tough to pass on a $3.5 million\year (purely guessing) offer and a substantial NIL budget?
Silat Player Posted March 10 Posted March 10 2 minutes ago, Rusty Shackleford said: Boy, you guys really hate salespeople, huh? I just passed along what a twitter guy said about a coach needing to be like a salesman and all of a sudden it's "snake oil", "used car", and "schmoozer". The point is to communicate that at an IU level job, there are a lot of varied interest groups that need to be kept happy and a coach who wants to and can do that is more likely to succeed. Adding my 2 cents, I think this is the aspect of the job that Crean wore people out on and where Archie dramatically failed. Not the only aspect...but not a small part of it either. Well, I think most people see salespeople as inherently dishonest, so that explains people's response. Your point is a good one, though, and it shows just how bad the Miller hire was. While he was looked upon as a "good hire" by most, he was a massive failure by the "search committee" and Glass. I can't believe that his personality wasn't a major negative in the interviewing process.
Hornsby Posted March 10 Posted March 10 Maybe, maybe not. Money does talk. To a certain extent. Pretty sure we would pay may alot mare than michigan would. But as archie found put this job can eat you alive.Sent from my SM-A146U using Tapatalk
AZ Hoosier Posted March 10 Posted March 10 2 minutes ago, Hornsby said: To a certain extent. Pretty sure we would pay may alot mare than michigan would. But as archie found put this job can eat you alive. Sent from my SM-A146U using Tapatalk Hmmm, we could pay him in horses? I did not know that. J34, thebigweave, ALASKA HOOSIER and 1 other 2 2
BA47591 Posted March 10 Posted March 10 Just now, realTomCrean said: What makes you think that? Is this also if IU were to offer? Doubt he passes on 4x salary to stay as a Bulldog. He's a calculated guy. He had a lot of offeres to move up. He was hot after the 38-0 D2 champion and stayed. Again, jmo, but I think he'll build Drake in his own image and move to a spot of his choice with several of his own players. He doesn't seem to be in hurry to rush things. Rusty Shackleford, realTomCrean and Hornsby 2 1
4iufourever Posted March 10 Posted March 10 20 minutes ago, realTomCrean said: It took me an hour to read today's messages. A few good shots at the naysayers, good information, baseless arguments, and a few who have visibly committed to hating anyone advocating for Brad S or Ben M. On McCollum: All he has ever done is win. Regardless of level, he wins. How you gonna hate on that? It's IU - sells itself, even Archie got high level recruits here. .909% Win percentage (D1 only). 2013-2024 in D2 he lost a total of 24 games, now only has 3 losses in D1. For a fanbase who has experienced the Cig effect, you'd think the concept of hiring is much easier now: Get a guy who wins I would give anything for IU's record to look like that over the same time period. That dude is a winner. Sign me up. JustWinBaby, trc1969, cybergates and 1 other 4
Hoosierfan2017 Posted March 10 Posted March 10 4 minutes ago, DougJr74 said: Why is that? Cronin has missed the tournament one time over the past 15 seasons and has zero seasons in which he finished under .500 in his conference. You know exactly what you’re getting with him. Maybe someone argues that his ceiling isn’t high enough (I’d disagree), but his floor is far better than anything we’ve had recently. McCollum is completely unproven on a P5 level. He didn’t play at that level, he didn’t serve as an assistant at that level, and he hasn’t coached at that level. Hell, he only has a few games coaching against P5. I simply have zero interest in rolling the dice with someone like that. Maybe I’m wrong, but I really don’t think IU can take that gamble at this stage. VFury, Hoosier987 and Hornsby 3
steubenhoosier Posted March 10 Posted March 10 2 hours ago, Uspshoosier said: Finished 6th in a historically good SEC. This year sec is being considered the best conference ever and they will probably get 13 teams in. Don’t think Calipari had to deal with this many good teams in the sec. 3 are projected 1 seeds and a couple others 2 and 3 range. Sec this year is ridiculous Pope also had to juggle a roster that was hit with multiple injuries Uspshoosier and J34 2
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