General Coach Candidate News

[Hoosierfan2017 23,391]

21 minutes ago, EasyEJay said:

I can buy Brownell as a fall back candidate . He has ties to the state . And Dolson could sit at the podium at this press conference and make an argument (a weak one ) but an argument that he fits the criteria put out by the athletic department at the beginning of the search . Especially if he makes a bit of a run this year . I’m in no way throwing my support and I think he would be right back here in 4 years if he’s the hire . Just too inconsistent to be successful at IU . 
 

but because the athletic department laid out certain criteria for their new coach to me that automatically disqualifies guys like Groce , Pitino jr , or McCollum . For different reasons they all don’t make the criteria and Dolson wouldn’t be adamant about showing. Program legend like Woodson the door to hire John freaking Groce, Jr, or D2 wonder boy. 
 

0 percent chance 

If Dolson’s “criteria” is mediocre P5 coach then he could make that argument. But there isn’t an IU fan out there who will buy that Brownell fits any criteria other than “IU isn’t a serious basketball school and can’t get a legitimate coach.” The Woodson hire was strong evidence and that would just confirm it. 4 tournaments in 14 years. 0 conference championships or even 2nd place finishes. He’s the hire you make when you give up. 

[Alistair Smash 64]

11 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

LOL

Jeff Goodman, who has more sources than this entire board combined, has said Brad Stevens is NOT a candidate for the Indiana job. I'm going to believe him who has nothing to gain either way over a few self-important people who have been dead wrong about Brad Stevens on multiple occasions. 

Dusty May just signed an extension to remain with Michigan.

Open your eyes man, neither of them are coaching here.

I haven’t been here long, but I haven’t seen much of a reason for the “self-important” shot at posters. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. 

[JSHoosier 21,646]

Unless one of the criteria is "we really like doing a coaching search every 4 years" then Brad Brownell is not a serious candidate.

[AZ Hoosier 9,389]

1 hour ago, Pagoda said:

He may be doing that, I don't know, but it's not his call thankfully.

Also, Mike is clearly not happy -- he's lashed out at a few folks I know around IUBB.  Not good.

do tell more...

[AH1971 2,084]

Just now, Alistair Smash said:

I haven’t been here long, but I haven’t seen much of a reason for the “self-important” shot at posters. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. 

These "self-important" people crap on you if you go against any kind of groupthink.

[JSHoosier 21,646]

3 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

If Dolson’s “criteria” is mediocre P5 coach then he could make that argument. But there isn’t an IU fan out there who will buy that Brownell fits any criteria other than “IU isn’t a serious basketball school and can’t get a legitimate coach.” The Woodson hire was strong evidence and that would just confirm it. 4 tournaments in 14 years. 0 conference championships or even 2nd place finishes. He’s the hire you make when you give up. 

I thought we were coming off that hire. Oof.

[Jam 285]

Ok, I was one of the last Brad holdouts. I had been told like others that he wanted to coach again but the timing was not right before. I was holding onto the stories that others had reported about offers and counter offers. However more recently I was told that he was not interested at all now because his daughter was playing on a state contending soccer team in Massachusetts and he was not willing to move her. There is also a chance with the change of Celtics ownership, he might have an opportunity for a minority equity stake.  That could dwarf IUs best offer. I also was told that he wouldn’t allow the discussion to get to talking dollars this time, so I discount the offer rumors. I have given up on that white whale dream, That having been said, I am underwhelmed with the possibilities on the board. If I had any confidence that Brad was a consideration in two years, I think Woody coming off a deep NCAA run might be preferable to four years of a second or third tier candidate that would be divisive and have a sizeable percentage of this board crowing about what an obvious stupid hire it was after every loss. I am sorry but this is getting tiresome

[AH1971 2,084]

3 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

If Dolson’s “criteria” is mediocre P5 coach then he could make that argument. But there isn’t an IU fan out there who will buy that Brownell fits any criteria other than “IU isn’t a serious basketball school and can’t get a legitimate coach.” The Woodson hire was strong evidence and that would just confirm it. 4 tournaments in 14 years. 0 conference championships or even 2nd place finishes. He’s the hire you make when you give up. 

Or....and hear me out

Running off a coach, and alum at that, who has taken his team to the tournament 3 times in 4 seasons relegates the candidate list to "mediocre P5 coaches" and hungry up and comers. 

[SlammySammy 571]

41 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

Reached out too or been turned down? May and Stevens aren't coming to IU. Neither is Pearl, neither is Oats, neither are a bunch of these other names being floated. And if we aren't going to go after Cronin and refuse to talk to guys like Wade/Beard, this is what your candidate list most likely appears as of today

Tier A

Drew/Otzelberger (don't see him leaving Ames)

Tier B

Brad Brownell

Tier C

McCollum/Byington

You're vastly overestimating the IU job and how it pertains to certain candidates. 

Come on with Brownell....Has the guy even won a conference title anywhere??? Hes had 1 sweet 16 and one elite 8 since 2010....just making the tournament should not be a resume booster...that should be a given for a new IU coach. And we have some shitting all over Cronin????? 

[IU_FanClub 1,775]

There is no way that Woodson would have any chance at coming back considering we have hired and announced the search firm we are using

[Chris007 55,153]

3 minutes ago, Alistair Smash said:

I haven’t been here long, but I haven’t seen much of a reason for the “self-important” shot at posters. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. 

Thank you. I mean I believe I'm really important in my head but I hear other voices who tell I'm not. AH is fine. We all think differently 

[Hoosier Guy 8,000]

39 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Not at all. You're good. I appreciate what your sharing. I 100% believe Woody feels this way. I'm just telling you not to worry. We're good

Let’s just be grateful that Dolson did what he did at the time that he did it.  It’d absolutely be more messy if the “retirement” situation hadn’t been handled already.

[AZ Hoosier 9,389]

58 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

He's got an actual real bar for that.

The Fellas' Lounge

[IUHoosierJoe 1,811]

2 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

Or....and hear me out

Running off a coach, and alum at that, who has taken his team to the tournament 3 times in 4 seasons relegates the candidate list to "mediocre P5 coaches" and hungry up and comers. 

So the folks so certain we aren’t getting a good coach are just Woodson supporters.  Got it.

[AH1971 2,084]

5 minutes ago, SlammySammy said:

Come on with Brownell....Has the guy even won a conference title anywhere??? 

Trust me, Brownell isn't anywhere near my list, but just get the general feeling that he's not nearly as far-fetched of a candidate as people want to believe. If you're like me and understood this entire time that guys like Stevens, Pearl, Oats, etc weren't entertaining the IU job, let alone coming, Brad Brownell as a potential candidate makes some sense on the surface.

I said back on Feb 3rd that if I was the IU AD I would give out 3 offers: Will Wade, Mick Cronin, and TJ Otzelberger and you wouldn't have to worry about hiring another coach for another 15-20 years. 

[Chris007 55,153]

5 minutes ago, Jam said:

Ok, I was one of the last Brad holdouts. I had been told like others that he wanted to coach again but the timing was not right before. I was holding onto the stories that others had reported about offers and counter offers. However more recently I was told that he was not interested at all now because his daughter was playing on a state contending soccer team in Massachusetts and he was not willing to move her. There is also a chance with the change of Celtics ownership, he might have an opportunity for a minority equity stake.  That could dwarf IUs best offer. I also was told that he wouldn’t allow the discussion to get to talking dollars this time, so I discount the offer rumors. I have given up on that white whale dream, That having been said, I am underwhelmed with the possibilities on the board. If I had any confidence that Brad was a consideration in two years, I think Woody coming off a deep NCAA run might be preferable to four years of a second or third tier candidate that would be divisive and have a sizeable percentage of this board crowing about what an obvious stupid hire it was after every loss. I am sorry but this is getting tiresome

Appreciate you holding out as long as you could. Don't worry we're going to get a good coach. 

[Shooter 550]

Brad Brownell inherited a Clemson program coming off of three consecutive NCAA tourney appearances. He proceeded to make a grand total of three tourney appearances in his first THIRTEEN seasons there.

I am happy for his success the last two years. But I would rather take a chance on an up and comer than hire known mediocrity. 

[JSHoosier 21,646]

4 minutes ago, SlammySammy said:

Come on with Brownell....Has the guy even won a conference title anywhere??? Hes had 1 sweet 16 and one elite 8 since 2010....just making the tournament should not be a resume booster...that should be a given for a new IU coach.

Won his conference or tied for it 3 times at Wright State. Never better than tied for 3rd at Clemson.

[IUGRAD06 363]

4 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

Or....and hear me out

Running off a coach, and alum at that, who has taken his team to the tournament 3 times in 4 seasons relegates the candidate list to "mediocre P5 coaches" and hungry up and comers. 

Dude squeeking into a play in game two out of four years and missing one year is not going to cut it at a lot of top 20 jobs.  Can we stop with nonsense like this?  He barely won and had the easiest OOC schedule than any coach since Knight was fired.  He has the most blow out loses.  Just stop.  Coaches in state think our staff sucks.  

[str8baller 6,462]

31 minutes ago, LamarCheeks said:

If jobs at UNC, Kansas, UConn, UCLA, Syracuse, Louisville, Arizona,  or maybe Illinois, etc. -- schools that are generally considered better at basketball than football -- opened, would Brad Brownell be considered a candidate? Highly doubtful -- or if so, only because of recency bias (Clemson did make the Elite Eight last year and is having a great season this year).

But in 14 seasons at Clemson, Brownell had made four NCAA tourneys. 

If he weren't from Indiana, his name would never be mentioned in connection with IU. 

 

He’s not a good candidate but…

Steve Lavin, Steve Alford, Kenny Payne, Kevin Ollie, Matt Doherty, and a couple others have been hired by those schools. 
 

So …yea, Brownell isn’t exactly out of the realm of possibilities.