General Coach Candidate News

[68Hoosier 1,248]

1 minute ago, str8baller said:

Woodson/Archie hires are weird in that on day 1 we would all assume Woodson was a worse hire. But in results I don’t think it could get much worse than Archie. 

It has been a rough 8 years for sure.  

[AH1971 3,117]

2 minutes ago, tyappleg said:

Results trump results.  What are you even talking about?  Drew has a better resume than Cronin and coaches at a much worse school with a history of bad basketball than Cronin ever has.  

Cronin has made it past the first weekend three times in the last four seasons. Drew's made it twice in the last ten seasons. 

Drew has a higher overall achievement than Cronin (national title vs F4) but the rest of their resumes are nearly identical. 

[iu eyedoc 4,422]

4 minutes ago, Certified Sunshine Pumper said:

Well, the results aren't comparable between the two.... so what else could you be clamoring for Cronin about? Dude went 16-17 and 10-10 in the PAC 12... in his 5th season at UCLA and his 20th season in coaching. 

I like the cherry picking game. Scott Drew has had a losing conference record or at .500 in 9 of his 21 seasons as Baylor's coach and hasn't made it into the tourney or past the first weekend 16 of 21 years.

 

How am I doing?

[Certified Sunshine Pumper 11,745]

Just now, AH1971 said:

Cronin has made it past the first weekend three times in the last four seasons. Drew's made it twice in the last ten seasons. 

Drew has a higher overall achievement than Cronin (national title vs F4) but the rest of their resumes are nearly identical. 

They aren't even close.

[AH1971 3,117]

2 minutes ago, Certified Sunshine Pumper said:

They aren't even close.

You're right. Cronin has a superior winning % and a vastly superior conference winning %.

[IU Prof 2,337]

One thought that has probably already been posted, but just occurred to me...

Let's say Dolson is of the mind to use smokescreens for a search like this. And let's say he landed a big fish (Few, Drew, Pearl, etc.) early on. Brad would be the ultimate smokescreen, in order to keep the true hire protected until after the season...

[Certified Sunshine Pumper 11,745]

Just now, iu eyedoc said:

I like the cherry picking game. Scott Drew has had a losing conference record or at .500 in 9 of his 21 seasons as Baylor's coach and hasn't made it into the tourney or past the first weekend 16 of 21 years.

 

How am I doing?

Do you mean, LAST SEASON, is cherry-picking? That's something. Wow. 

[tyappleg 8,008]

1 minute ago, AH1971 said:

Cronin has made it past the first weekend three times in the last four seasons. Drew's made it twice in the last ten seasons. 

Drew has a higher overall achievement than Cronin (national title vs F4) but the rest of their resumes are nearly identical. 

Drew also has 2 additional Elite 8's.  This is asinine.  And Drew is doing at a school that made the NCAA Tournament ONE TIME since 1950 before he started there. 

[str8baller 7,445]

8 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

Isn't the majority of this board against hiring Tony Bennett? Didn't he win a national title?

Couldn’t tell ya…I’m very pro Tony Bennett. I’d put money on him winning a National Title and 3+ B1G titles before he retired if hired at IU. 

[Certified Sunshine Pumper 11,745]

Coming here to flex for Cronin should get you institutionalized. 

[Demo 23,413]

3 minutes ago, str8baller said:

Woodson/Archie hires are weird in that on day 1 we would all assume Woodson was a worse hire. But in results I don’t think it could get much worse than Archie. 

Archie’s as clean an example as we’ll  ever see of a guy just being too small for a job. From that 1st presser where he looked completely spooked to the Indiana State debacle where he had no answers at all. He was dead man walking. The rest was just shouting.

[JPCIVOP 692]

1 minute ago, AH1971 said:

There really isn't.

Drew's best season is better than Cronin's best season but using a nearly 20 year data set, they're very comparable.

Same number of NCAA Tourney wins for both coaches the last four years. Even with Drew's title. And it's true, the COVID rules made that a strange season. Those early exits are the knock against him.

I don't think Drew gets to coast on Baylor's lack of history forever; they've been making tournaments for 17 years. UCLA's 2008-2009 team is their last really good one; Cronin's done a good rebuild there, and this is closer than people think.

[Pagoda 4,440]

Uh oh.  This news is going to need to be factored in.

(jk… mostly)

[Uspshoosier 54,347]

6 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

Scott Drew had an exceptional season during COVID and hasn't duplicated anything close to that while at Baylor the last 20+ years. We call these outliers. 

He was having an exceptional season the year before that where his team was projected to be a 1 seed and one of the favorites going into that cancelled tourney 

they year after he won a title he was a 1 seed as well 

Projected 1 seed 

1 seed 

1seed 

3 seed

3 seed 

bubble 

those are his last 6 seasons.   Saying he had 1 good year and hasn’t duplicated that season wouldn’t be right in my opinion.  If you want to argue he underachieves in the tourney with what seeds his teams earn then I can see that argument.  
 

 if IU is to pull a sitting coach from a high major team it will be considered a home run in the industry especially if its from the B1G and SEC.  Fans are going to fan and some will like they hire and some won’t.   

[AH1971 3,117]

1 minute ago, tyappleg said:

Drew also has 2 additional Elite 8's.  This is asinine.  And Drew is doing at a school that made the NCAA Tournament ONE TIME since 1950 before he started there. 

14 and 16 years ago. Who cares? With the exception of the COVID year, Scott Drew teams flame out early every year which is exactly the knock @Certified Sunshine Pumper is using against Cronin (can't get past S16).

[Certified Sunshine Pumper 11,745]

Just now, AH1971 said:

14 and 16 years ago. Who cares? With the exception of the COVID year, Scott Drew teams flame out early every year which is exactly the knock @Certified Sunshine Pumper is using against Cronin (can't get past S16).

I'm using the knock that he doesn't exceed expectations anywhere, ever. 

[Stuhoo 89,311]

2 minutes ago, Demo said:

Archie’s as clean an example as we’ll  ever see of a guy just being too small for a job. From that 1st presser where he looked completely spooked to the Indiana State debacle where he had no answers at all. He was dead man walking. The rest was just shouting.

Archie Miller being introduced. HE LOOKS WORRIED!

[AH1971 3,117]

Just now, Uspshoosier said:

He was having an exceptional season the year before that where his team was projected to be a 1 seed and one of the favorites going into that cancelled tourney 

they year after he won a title he was a 1 seed as well 

Projected 1 seed 

1 seed 

1seed 

3 seed

3 seed 

bubble 

those are his last 6 seasons.   Saying he had 1 good year and hasn’t duplicated that season wouldn’t be right in my opinion.  If you want to argue he underachieves in the tourney with what seeds his teams earn then I can see that argument.  
 

 if IU is to pull a sitting coach from a high major team it will be considered a home run in the industry especially if its from the B1G and SEC.  Fans are going to fan and some will like they hire and some won’t.   

That's exactly what I'm arguing. The knock against Cronin is that he can't get past the S16. That was the knock on Crean....

Scott Drew has a long reputation of shitting the bed in March. That isn't a secret at all.

[tyappleg 8,008]

1 minute ago, AH1971 said:

14 and 16 years ago. Who cares? With the exception of the COVID year, Scott Drew teams flame out early every year which is exactly the knock @Certified Sunshine Pumper is using against Cronin (can't get past S16).

I guess I'll take the guy who has won a national championship and hasnt been able to win a 2nd one versus the guy who has no elite season to replicate. 

[Hovadipo 61,411]

4 minutes ago, Demo said:

Archie’s as clean an example as we’ll  ever see of a guy just being too small for a job.

You made me do this.