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9 hours ago, RaceToTheTop said:

Exactly how many former GMs do you think college's hire?  It's a position new to colleges, not like you pull up some former college GM and bring him in.

This is true. The college GM position is also much different than an NBA GM role. I think UNC has the right idea by getting an agent to fill that role. It needs to be someone that can manage contracts as well as recruit. I think the role might also be raising money for NIL and/or trying to find NIL opportunities for the players. 

Someone with an agent background seems like a good fit.

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9 hours ago, moyemayhem said:

The track record of college coaches leaving for the NBA and then returning to college is decidedly NOT a disaster.  Pitino, Calipari, Sampson, Lon Kruger, Larry Brown, Mike Montgomery, and Hoiberg to name a few off the top of my head.  All were quite successful after their return to college, other than Hoiberg (who is still TBD).

I'd say some of them were even better because of the experience. Sampson is one of those. He was already a good coach but he's even better after his time in the NBA. That may be due to him being an assistant coach instead of head coach, though. It gave him an opportunity to learn from guys like Popovich.

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34 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

For me if you get through the first 7 with a no from them then as a program then you might as well swing at the highest risk but highest reward young coach that is available.    No doubt he can coach. D2 resume is as impressive as you can get.  If you catch lighting in the bottom and he can produce those results you are set as a program for 20 + years.  

Personally I’m holding out hope for Otz or Drew. Land either and imo we’re a monster program again quickly 

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1 hour ago, MikeRoberts said:

You serious? Someone posted that the nba was closer to the college game then ever before: I agree in some ways but that same rational was used to hire Woodson and all of these other former nba guys and it hasn’t panned out in most cases.

troll better?

No it wasn't. Stop being disingenuous. When I say the NBA and college are closer than ever before to one another, I'm talking about "paying players to play", not the X's and O's. Woodson wasn't hired because he was an average/below average NBA coach, though his connections were probably the best thing going for him. He was hired, in large part, as a favor to Quinn Buckner. Nothing about the hiring of Woodson should concern anybody about a potential hiring of Stevens, that's a joke. You're comparing applies to cow ****. 

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41 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

For me if you get through the first 7 with a no from them then as a program then you might as well swing at the highest risk but highest reward young coach that is available.    No doubt he can coach. D2 resume is as impressive as you can get.  If you catch lighting in the bottom and he can produce those results you are set as a program for 20 + years.  

I would say 8, but yeah, after that you don't really have any choice. Hire McColum and hope like hell he doesn't turn out to be just a really good mid major coach

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7 minutes ago, go iu bb said:

I'd say some of them were even better because of the experience. Sampson is one of those. He was already a good coach but he's even better after his time in the NBA. That may be due to him being an assistant coach instead of head coach, though. It gave him an opportunity to learn from guys like Popovich.

Like I mentioned the other day, very few former NBA head coaches with no previous college hc experience, coach in college. There are a lot of examples of good to great college coaches doing poorly in the NBA and going back to college. I think some people are confusing former NBA players doing poorly as college head coaches recently. 

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1 hour ago, Gameface01 said:

I don't need to keep recycling who's better or obtainable. Speculating future success..

It's Brad or Beard. Nothing else matters. 

if those are the only two choices for you, then your team probably won't have a coach... The chance of Brad coming are extremely low... and the chance of facial hair is zero.

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14 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Guys like Calipari and Pitino went to the NBA for a few years and then came back to college. Stevens coached at Butler for 6 years. He left college basketball 12 years ago and left coaching entirely 4 years ago. 

Sure, if you can get him then great. But absolutely nothing in his background suggests he’s the guy who’s going to come back to the college game and grind year in and year out for the next 20 years. 

If IU’a gonna beg and plead for a coach to come here, do that with an elite college coach who wants to coach college basketball. 

Calipari got fired and Pitino quit midseason. Guys usually don't leave the NBA for college if they're successful, which Stevens has been. 

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6 minutes ago, TheWatShot said:

Calipari got fired and Pitino quit midseason. Guys usually don't leave the NBA for college if they're successful, which Stevens has been. 

Brad Stevens quit too for a non-coaching job. What in his background suggests he wants to come grind the way a top college coach needs to grind? He quit his NBA coaching job 4 years ago, and that gig is less of a daily grind, involves minimal “recruiting ,” and comes with a months long, defined offseason. 

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My current wish list among those with any realistic chance (though admittedly some of these are quite unlikely): 

1) Tommy L (by a mile)

2) Ben M

2) Drew (seems *super* unlikely)

3) Otz

4) McCasland

5) DeVries

6) Jans

 <HUGE GAP>
 

7) miscellaneous others

8) collins 

<gap>
 

9) Brownell

 

Brownell is the disaster scenario in my opinion, and unfortunately it does seem somewhat likely  

 

 

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4 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Brad Stevens quit too for a non-coaching job. What in his background suggests he wants to come grind the way a top college coach needs to grind? He quit his NBA coaching job 4 years ago, and that gig is less of a daily grind, involves minimal “recruiting ,” and comes with a months long, defined offseason. 

He was offered the general manager position and accepted, but spin it as quitting if you want. 

 

I seriously can't believe after 25 years of mostly sh*tty coaches, we have people who are opposed to someone like Brad Stevens coaching here. Mind-blowing stuff. 

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20 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Guys like Calipari and Pitino went to the NBA for a few years and then came back to college. Stevens coached at Butler for 6 years. He left college basketball 12 years ago and left coaching entirely 4 years ago. 

Sure, if you can get him then great. But absolutely nothing in his background suggests he’s the guy who’s going to come back to the college game and grind year in and year out for the next 20 years. 

If IU’a gonna beg and plead for a coach to come here, do that with an elite college coach who wants to coach college basketball. 

The reason Stevens is the most attractive candidate for most is because he's been successful at every level, is still relatively young, and is from Indiana.

Admittedly, I do question how long he would want to be a cbb coach.  The claim he's told Dolson he'd prefer a 6 year commitment over a 10 year one would support that concern.

That said, there will be uncertainty with any potential coach and I'd still regard Stevens as the ideal candidate.

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18 minutes ago, TheWatShot said:

He was offered the general manager position and accepted, but spin it as quitting if you want. 

 

I seriously can't believe after 25 years of mostly sh*tty coaches, we have people who are opposed to someone like Brad Stevens coaching here. Mind-blowing stuff. 

And did he not quit his coaching job to take the GM position, months after IU offered him the job? That’s not something you do if you love coaching. 

Folks deify Brad Stevens and then lash out when people point out that he comes with question marks too. 

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10 minutes ago, pumpfake said:

The reason Stevens is the most attractive candidate for most is because he's been successful at every level, is still relatively young, and is from Indiana.

Admittedly, I do question how long he would want to be a cbb coach.  The claim he's told Dolson he'd prefer a 6 year commitment over a 10 year one would support that concern.

That said, there will be uncertainty with any potential coach and I'd still regard Stevens as the ideal candidate.

He simply checks every single box for all parties.  He’s the one hire who would make both the administration and the fans extremely happy.  No one else can come close.  That’s why Dolson has pursued him so heavily.

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7 minutes ago, TheWatShot said:

He was offered the general manager position and accepted, but spin it as quitting if you want. 

 

I seriously can't believe after 25 years of mostly sh*tty coaches, we have people who are opposed to someone like Brad Stevens coaching here. Mind-blowing stuff. 

For some it’s not that anyone is largely opposed to this. If you need to go outside the box because other options aren’t available that’s great.

i think this is outside the box. Hiring an NBA GM to be a college basketball head coach vs just hiring one of the best current Baskebtall coaches is certainly different.

Curious why having Stevens lower on a priority list is mind blowing? Few, Pearl, Pitino, Otz Drew and the list can be longer are all here grinding and would do great here and to me are a bigger priority.

 

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When I see people use the word “grind”referring to the men’s basketball head coaching position I laugh to myself because I’ve worked many jobs that I would consider a real grind day in and day out, but I don’t think I would consider that job on its hardest day to be a “grind” even at the highest level, what are they out there digging every day for bandwidth?  They are also instant millionaires and live in the lap of luxury. Lol

 

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5 minutes ago, Kentuckysucks said:

He simply checks every single box for all parties.  He’s the one hire who would make both the administration and the fans extremely happy.  No one else can come close.  That’s why Dolson has pursued him so heavily.

That's pretty crazy, if true. 

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