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2 minutes ago, Silat Player said:

Baylor is a good example, but Virginia isn't. They were a good program in the past before Bennett.

Terry Holland won over 300 games there and made 2 elite 8s and 2 final 4s. 

They had a good basketball history before Bennett...

Sure. But my point remains the same. Great coaches make their program great. If a coach is mediocre, it doesn't mean they'll become great just because they go to a certain university. There are endless examples where this is the case.

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9 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

Based on his ability to overachieve at what should be a bottom feeder basketball school in a really tough conference
 

Brownell has pretty much replicated Clemson’s level of success from the 16 years before he arrived.
 

Rick Barnes (‘94-‘99): 74-48, 60.6%

Larry Shyatt (‘99-‘03): 70-84, 45.4%

Oliver Purnell (‘03-‘10): 138-88, 61.1%

TOTAL (‘94-‘10): 282-220, 56.2%

 

Brad Brownell (‘10-‘25): 288-194, 59.7%

 

I dont see an over achiever.  I see an average to slightly above average coach.  He has no appeal to me.

 

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2 minutes ago, VFury said:

Sure. But my point remains the same. Great coaches make their program great. If a coach is mediocre, it doesn't mean they'll become great just because they go to a certain university. There are endless examples where this is the case.

Point taken.

I just wanted to point out that those of us who are as old as sh*t remember when Virginia was a power under Holland. 

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5 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

Yep and before he got to Northwestern they had 0 ncaa tourney appearances for the entire program.  He has taken a program that had 0 history and gave them a history.  Maybe he isn’t good enough for most to take over IU however I know one thing, if he was the coach of IU I wouldn’t have to worry about whether or not the team I’m invested in would play hard.   Personally i would be interested to see how he would do at a program that actually has a little basketball history and resources 

If that's all you want out of your coach, why would you want to fire Crean, Archie, or Mike Davis? And if you want more winning, why would you want Chris Collins?

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6 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

Yep and before he got to Northwestern they had 0 ncaa tourney appearances for the entire program.  He has taken a program that had 0 history and gave them a history.  Maybe he isn’t good enough for most to take over IU however I know I thing if he was coach of IU.  I wouldn’t have to worry about whether or not the team I’m invested in would play hard.   Personally i would be interested to see how he would do at a program that actually has a little basketball history and resources 

Would be curious to see that as well. He was K’s lead recruiter for years, though if you can’t get kids to play for K that would be kind of an indictment. Would also love to know how restricting their academic standards are. For a guy from Chicago at a Chicago area school I don’t think he recruits that many Chicago area kids

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4 minutes ago, moyemayhem said:

Brownell has pretty much replicated Clemson’s level of success from the 16 years before he arrived.
 

Rick Barnes (‘94-‘99): 74-48, 60.6%

Larry Shyatt (‘99-‘03): 70-84, 45.4%

Oliver Purnell (‘03-‘10): 138-88, 61.1%

TOTAL (‘94-‘10): 282-220, 56.2%

 

Brad Brownell (‘10-‘25): 288-194, 59.7%

 

I dont see an over achiever.  I see an average to slightly above average coach.  He has no appeal to me.

 

I agree with you, but it’s interesting that he has almost as a good of a winning percentage as Rick Barnes did there, who most people think is a great coach.

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7 minutes ago, VFury said:

And if you want more winning, why would you want Chris Collins?

Because I’ve only seen Collins coach at a program that had 0 history and no real backing to become successful and he built his own history at a place that had none.  I think ( my opinion) that if he ever coaches at a place they actually gives a crap about winning big that he would elevate that program and compete at a high level.   I don’t think Crean, Davis  or Archie’s team ever played as hard as I’ve seen Collins teams play.   I personally think he is a better coach than the 3 you mentioned.   

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I could be wrong, but I’m pretty sure that if one were to thumb back through the almost 1600 pages here and read the coaching evals one could conclude that with the exception of Brad Stevens, who of course walks in perpetual sunshine, literally no one else who hasn’t beaten a woman or cheated their a$$ off can actually coach. 

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2 minutes ago, moyemayhem said:

Brownell has pretty much replicated Clemson’s level of success from the 16 years before he arrived.
 

Rick Barnes (‘94-‘99): 74-48, 60.6%

Larry Shyatt (‘99-‘03): 70-84, 45.4%

Oliver Purnell (‘03-‘10): 138-88, 61.1%

TOTAL (‘94-‘10): 282-220, 56.2%

 

Brad Brownell (‘10-‘25): 288-194, 59.7%

 

I dont see an over achiever.  I see an average to slightly above average coach.  He has no appeal to me.

 

I’d also point out he’s been HC of basketball at an unprecedented time to be at Clemson, massive upswing in out of state applications and national TV exposure. Clemson was a pretty regional school in upstate SC before Dabo came along. Clemson is decidedly cool now, and has been for a while. All those other cats were recruiting to place where people outside SC and about 20 counties in northern GA would have asked where and what the hell Clempson was. Also LittleJohn Coliseum is pretty cool, and gets nice student and alumni support now (I catch a couple games every year). Not saying he’s underachieved or anything, but Clemson basketball really has potential I don’t think it has realized under BB. Up until last seasons run, his seat was certainly warm, many around here are ready for a fresh face. Also for the record, Dabos whole shtick is not shtick. He’s very nice and country as a turnip green. 

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3 minutes ago, Demo said:

I could be wrong, but I’m pretty sure that if one were to thumb back through the almost 1600 pages here and read the coaching evals one could conclude that with the exception of Brad Stevens, who of course walks in perpetual sunshine, literally no one else who hasn’t beaten a woman or cheated their a$$ off can actually coach. 

Yep like you said unless it’s Stevens there will be pockets of people upset about the hire. I mean some people don’t even like Scott Drew and that guy won a title at Baylor. Otz? He had two bad seasons, so he’s off the list. If we get four or five names down the list, or someone out of left field, the rage and fury will be palpable lol 

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2 minutes ago, Home Jersey said:

Yep like you said unless it’s Stevens there will be pockets of people upset about the hire. I mean some people don’t even like Scott Drew and that guy won a title at Baylor. Otz? He had two bad seasons, so he’s off the list. If we get four or five names down the list, or someone out of left field, the rage and fury will be palpable lol 

There’s an obvious solution ;-)

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5 hours ago, Aaron said:

Why has no one mentioned Brian Dutcher at San Diego St? Has coached to a Final Four and a resume not that different from most others being considered?

Mid-city! Doesn’t inspire. SDST is perfect fit.

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1 minute ago, Kentuckysucks said:

There’s an obvious solution ;-)

Yeah we haven’t talked about Chris Beard in like 12 hours right so it must be time again lol

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As long as the next coach uses the correct lineups, I will be happy. This tweet and infographic puts things into perspective

 https://x.com/winston3453/status/1895091373197369592?s=46&t=AnGlZsb2hQqJCetbi3nDTg

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Yeah we haven’t talked about Chris Beard in like 12 hours right so it must be time again lol

He is the right man for the job! Many fans hated knight but loved the team. Many fans will hate Chris beard but will love winning!

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3 minutes ago, IUHoosier5 said:

As long as the next coach uses the correct lineups, I will be happy. This tweet and infographic puts things into perspective

 https://x.com/winston3453/status/1895091373197369592?s=46&t=AnGlZsb2hQqJCetbi3nDTg

LMAO.  The starting lineup is the worst?

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54 minutes ago, Home Jersey said:

Seems to me like having access to a greater pool of talent could feasibly make a big positive impact on a coach’s ability to win. Agree to disagree. 

Uh… Woodson… 

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4 minutes ago, coonhounds said:

He is the right man for the job! Many fans hated knight but loved the team. Many fans will hate Chris beard but will love winning!

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You probably have a really good point here hound

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Just now, HoosierHoopster said:

Uh… Woodson… 

I think Collins is much better than Woody and their H2H basically confirms that, even with Collins much lesser roster talent. I’m not saying give a crappy coach good players and the team will be good. I’m saying give a good coach with below average players some great players, he may be able to win more. 

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29 minutes ago, Demo said:

Would be curious to see that as well. He was K’s lead recruiter for years, though if you can’t get kids to play for K that would be kind of an indictment. Would also love to know how restricting their academic standards are. For a guy from Chicago at a Chicago area school I don’t think he recruits that many Chicago area kids

This isn’t based off much other than vibes from following IHSA basketball (and mostly the lower two classes at that) but it seems like the number of kids that can get into NW and actually play B1G basketball is extremely low in Illinois. The Martinelli/Ciarvali (I absolutely butchered that) kids are rare. I know that NW doesn’t move off their academic standards much either.