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I don’t think football powers are going to spend big on basketball coaches. That money is better spent on football related issues. 
 

Bama may gladly take IU’s 12.5 mil and turn around and go get Chris Beard and pocket the difference to go to Saban’s recruiting budget. 

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3 minutes ago, Its Always Sunny at IU said:

I don't think Oats will leave a good situation. But if we are talking just throwing piles of cash, doing the buyout then making Oats one of the highest paid coaches in the game Bama won't match that because they can't. I'm not sure any athletic department can afford both coaches at the top of the pay list as most athletic departments barely break even. And Bama already spends a ton on football....obviously worth every penny as Alabama football is the king. It's not going to happen, but there is a price that Alabama will not match for Oats. 

 

  Bama works on a completely different scale than IU. IU will not get Oats, because Bama fails to match any offer. That is 100% not going to happen.

The couching staff budget was $65M in 2019, 50% more than IU. Do you think they blink about going up to $68M?

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11 minutes ago, Its Always Sunny at IU said:

I don't think Oats will leave a good situation. But if we are talking just throwing piles of cash, doing the buyout then making Oats one of the highest paid coaches in the game Bama won't match that because they can't. I'm not sure any athletic department can afford both coaches at the top of the pay list as most athletic departments barely break even. And Bama already spends a ton on football....obviously worth every penny as Alabama football is the king. It's not going to happen, but there is a price that Alabama will not match for Oats. 

This is a good point I hadn't really thought of. But I suppose this is also where booster money comes in. If boosters are picking up the tab on the coach's salary, I'm sure Bama will match the offer. That said, I don't understand NOT pursuing top coaches just b/c there is a good chance their current school tries to keep them. So.....make them do it. Nate Oats has no ties whatsoever to Alabama or the south in general. Sure he can have a ton of success there, and basketball can be important there. But it will always be overshadowed by football. He may get a matched offered from Bama but still want to get back to the midwest and be at a basketball school. Maybe we miss, but I say we have to take a swing. 

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Long time lurker first time poster.

I've been reading these posts since AM was canned and the delusion is rampant.

Here is my take:

Dolson has Beilein lined up as a plan b.  The donors were fine with Beilein and that's why they were willing to pay the buyout.  But they still encouraged SD to go after bigger targets (BS, Muss, Scott "Build The Wall" Drew).  BS is a no.  We are now just waiting for Muss and Drew to get back to us.  We gave them the courtesy of finishing their respective tourney runs to give us an answer.

At best it's Muss or Drew. At worst it's Beilein.

My sources: Logic and reason.

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12 minutes ago, LamarCheeks said:

You are correct. I read that info wrong in a tweet. My bad. Regardless -- no buyout for Shaka. UT alums are loaded. Beard's buyout only drops by $1M in a few days. I'm surprised he's not in Austin yet -- unless he doesn't want that (or wants to come to Bloomington!). 

I imagine he and UT are like high school sweethearts coming off their first marriages just waiting on the prices to go down on the plane tickets to hawaii in 4 days. There is no doubt about either ones intentions.

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3 minutes ago, TwatShot said:

At best it's Muss or Drew. At worst it's Beilein.

A fair assessment. Might I suggest a period between the T and W in your screen name? Just a thought.

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I find it a bit strange that with all these basketball coach openings,  no one has hired Beilien.  When we first fired Archie, I scanned many fan sites and nearly everyone was saying we would probably hire Beilien.  Kentucky fans were really sure it would be Beilien, just like fans from most of the BIG schools.  Maybe we did hire him...lol.. and that's why it's so quiet.

I expected to hear someone hired him.  He is the most accomplished coach out there at a high major program.  

BTW, about his age. People can be productive way past 68,  look at Sister Jean.  I'm not saying she is productive now at 101,  but , she was probably doing well into her 90's.  I know many people still doing quite well at almost 80.  Beilien's age isn't really a factor.

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47 minutes ago, Nonymouse said:

Things are quiet. I’m confident Brad and Thad are out. Beyond that, I’m really not sure where things stand now.  Going to try to squeeze for some info today, but not hopeful I’ll get anything new. 
 

What does everyone think of Andy Enfield? 
 

 

This is Enfield's first top-45 season. He's 9-10 against UCLA. He hasn't won a conference title outside of the tournament at FGCU. He's missed the tournament four out of the seven tournaments at USC. In Los Angeles, there is more talent than just about anywhere. Hiring Enfield would be a knee-jerk reaction, in my opinion.

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25 minutes ago, iu eyedoc said:

 

  Bama works on a completely different scale than IU. IU will not get Oats, because Bama fails to match any offer. That is 100% not going to happen.

The couching staff budget was $65M in 2019, 50% more than IU. Do you think they blink about going up to $68M?

I can assume this is all coaches/staff across all sports right? I'd bet the majority of that overall difference is in our respective football coaching/staff salaries. I'd imagine Bama will match any offer. It would have to come down to something other than money (i.e. midwest ties? wanting to be at a basketball school?), as mentioned in my other post. 

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15 minutes ago, jumpshot53 said:

BTW, about his age. People can be productive way past 68,  look at Sister Jean.  I'm not saying she is productive now at 101,  but , she was probably doing well into her 90's.  I know many people still doing quite well at almost 80.  Beilien's age isn't really a factor.

There is a big difference between being productive, and being able to handle the rigors of a college BB season.  A coach gets what 4 - 6 weeks off per year?  Sure the season is only 7 months long, but it is a brutal 7 months.  Not to mention the stress and headaches of the off season.  

My Dad was a practicing physician until he retired at age 82.  We had lots of talks over the years, and was the first to admit that his productivity started going down about age 60.  When he retired he could still handle seeing 30-40 patients a day, but he was a small town doctor.  It was the working all day, then getting the phone calls at 2:00 am that finally got to him.  Well that and having to do everything on a computer.  :)

I think we can all agree that we want more than productive.  Crean was productive,  Miller was productive.  That didn't help us much.  The only concern I have with Beilein is that we know we will be doing another coaching sooner rather than later, and I think we can all agree that a coaching carousel is not a good thing. 

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3 minutes ago, NashvilleHoosier said:

I can assume this is all coaches/staff across all sports right? I'd bet the majority of that overall difference is in our respective football coaching/staff salaries. I'd imagine Bama will match any offer. It would have to come down to something other than money (i.e. midwest ties? wanting to be at a basketball school?), as mentioned in my other post. 

I can’t help but wonder why Alabama hasn’t spent this kind of money on their basketball program before? Does their basketball arena have sell out crowds etc...I literally know nothing about Alabama basketball.

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1 minute ago, ronzo4IU said:

I can’t help but wonder why Alabama hasn’t spent this kind of money on their basketball program before? Does their basketball arena have sell out crowds etc...I literally know nothing about Alabama basketball.

I don't know the answer to that. But I've lived in the south for 14 years now and I'm pretty confident saying that spring football practice will be as much of a topic on local sports radio this week in Alabama as the basketball team playing in the sweet 16 and possibly elite 8. 

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35 minutes ago, iu eyedoc said:

 

  Bama works on a completely different scale than IU. IU will not get Oats, because Bama fails to match any offer. That is 100% not going to happen.

The couching staff budget was $65M in 2019, 50% more than IU. Do you think they blink about going up to $68M?

Indiana operates at a roughly $13 million surplus while Alabama operates at a loss of $20 million.  Alabama may make more but they lose money every year based on what you have there.  Indiana has about $13 million a year (in a normal year) to play with while Alabama would be digging a bigger hole with a larger basketball contract.  So Indiana could double the salary of our basketball coach and still have an $9+ million to play with.

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2 minutes ago, ronzo4IU said:

I can’t help but wonder why Alabama hasn’t spent this kind of money on their basketball program before? Does their basketball arena have sell out crowds etc...I literally know nothing about Alabama basketball.

Bama has always been FB first, but the SEC in general is starting to take BB more seriously now that KY is vulnerable. Also, Bama is likely preparing for the days post-Saban, and know they need to pay a bit more attention to BB. Bama has some huge boosters too, so it's not like they don't have money to compete in both FB and BB donor stuff.

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30 minutes ago, Scott_b said:

A fair assessment. Might I suggest a period between the T and W in your screen name? Just a thought.

I gave a 'like' primarily because of the username...

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2 minutes ago, jmsgws said:

There is a big difference between being productive, and being able to handle the rigors of a college BB season.  A coach gets what 4 - 6 weeks off per year?  Sure the season is only 7 months long, but it is a brutal 7 months.  Not to mention the stress and headaches of the off season.  

My Dad was a practicing physician until he retired at age 82.  We had lots of talks over the years, and was the first to admit that his productivity started going down about age 60.  When he retired he could still handle seeing 30-40 patients a day, but he was a small town doctor.  It was the working all day, then getting the phone calls at 2:00 am that finally got to him.  Well that and having to do everything on a computer.  :)

I think we can all agree that we want more than productive.  Crean was productive,  Miller was productive.  That didn't help us much.  The only concern I have with Beilein is that we know we will be doing another coaching sooner rather than later, and I think we can all agree that a coaching carousel is not a good thing. 

The reason I like the Beilien hire is to avoid the coaching carousel. The names being tossed around haven't accomplished what he has IMO.   I think most of these guys are a gamble.  It would be great if we could find a younger guy, willing to stay and build the program.  I just don't think we'll find someone without some baggage, and that seems to be a big deal to many fans.

I guess my view of age is having a family business with not only the rigors of running a company with over 100 employees, but seeing the owners still work in the field, doing extremely difficult physical jobs that many younger guys couldn't or wouldn't do.  When you come from a farmer background, hard work is a given until you just can't move anymore, usually in the upper80's.  The funny thing is, these guys are healthier and seem to be happier than most people I know.  I'm just hoping we choose a proven winner really.

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7 minutes ago, IUCrazy2 said:

Indiana operates at a roughly $13 million surplus while Alabama operates at a loss of $20 million.  Alabama may make more but they lose money every year based on what you have there.  Indiana has about $13 million a year (in a normal year) to play with while Alabama would be digging a bigger hole with a larger basketball contract.  So Indiana could double the salary of our basketball coach and still have an $9+ million to play with.

Also, if Dolson is smart, he is going to make sure he locks up Moren.  She is building something here I think and we need to make sure we keep her here.  She deserves a bit of a raise (and I don't base that on one tournament run, she is on the type of trajectory you hope for when you hire a coach.)

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45 minutes ago, TwatShot said:

Long time lurker first time poster.

I've been reading these posts since AM was canned and the delusion is rampant.

Here is my take:

Dolson has Beilein lined up as a plan b.  The donors were fine with Beilein and that's why they were willing to pay the buyout.  But they still encouraged SD to go after bigger targets (BS, Muss, Scott "Build The Wall" Drew).  BS is a no.  We are now just waiting for Muss and Drew to get back to us.  We gave them the courtesy of finishing their respective tourney runs to give us an answer.

At best it's Muss or Drew. At worst it's Beilein.

My sources: Logic and reason.

Switch that to Oats or Muss and that's where I sit too.  Logic is your friend.

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6 minutes ago, jumpshot53 said:

The reason I like the Beilien hire is to avoid the coaching carousel.

I agree with most of what you say except this. I just think hiring Beilein insures that we will be looking for a coach sooner rather than later.  If he were 60, he would be right at the top of my list.  

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8 minutes ago, jumpshot53 said:

The reason I like the Beilien hire is to avoid the coaching carousel. The names being tossed around haven't accomplished what he has IMO.   I think most of these guys are a gamble.  It would be great if we could find a younger guy, willing to stay and build the program.  I just don't think we'll find someone without some baggage, and that seems to be a big deal to many fans.

I guess my view of age is having a family business with not only the rigors of running a company with over 100 employees, but seeing the owners still work in the field, doing extremely difficult physical jobs that many younger guys couldn't or wouldn't do.  When you come from a farmer background, hard work is a given until you just can't move anymore, usually in the upper80's.  The funny thing is, these guys are healthier and seem to be happier than most people I know.  I'm just hoping we choose a proven winner really.

Hiring a 68 year old would avoid the coaching carousel?