General Coach Candidate News

[rcbowla]

I do think we're getting a little ahead of ourselves with the lists. I said I knew of calls being made which is essentially saying Dolson is doing his due diligence. I guess this is also a worthy topic on a message board so carry on...I have zero info about a realistic list outside of the speculative/logical options I've seen posted here

Ahead of ourselves for even thinking of replacements, meaning we may not be replacing, or ahead of ourselves for narrowing things down the way we have?

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6 hours ago, Deserthoozier said:

Pretty high bar there! I mean no one’s murdered anyone on their way out. ; )

I feel ancient.  Drew has been at Baylor for SEVENTEEN seasons now.

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6 hours ago, 8bucks said:

Agree. That teammates killing teammates really has an impact on team chemistry and building a healthy culture. 
 

We've already tried having one team mate run over another and it certainly hurt our depth.

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3 minutes ago, IUrocker said:

So even though we aren’t sure of the exact list of candidates, is it indeed safe to say Archie will be gone at seasons end, or is even that still up in the air? Thanks 

I think it's definitely up in the air. The situation is pretty complicated, honestly. People like donors, BOT, Athletic Department are in a lot of unprecedented ground with COVID. A lot of the donors probably made out okay and positive through it. I can think of one I've been to games with who I KNOW is struggling. Some of you may know who I'm talking about. I forget that poster who I assume got banned bc he was a pain to some but I know we had convos about this donor. Add in IU is currently searching for a new President which takes some precedent. McRobbie cared nothing about athletics, which whatever I'm cool w a hands off President in that regard but was a bit a a handcuff at times.

People will combat the COVID stuff by saying "look what we just did for Tom Allen and the football program, and we're a basketball school." Check out the financials and return there and it's obviously worth it to invest in the FB program.  

Anyways, to say that COVID doesn't play a role, what it did for revenue streams and uncertainty going forward (things are looking up but still) it's not your standard situation. I get that "IU can find the money." Sure, is the candidate out there you want or do we fire/hire due to public pressure? No, lol, there is power in numbers but that isn't exactly how this country works unfortunately. Like I said, Dolson will make his calls. To say they're moving on solely due to W/L is naive 

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11 minutes ago, rcs29 said:

Ahead of ourselves for even thinking of replacements, meaning we may not be replacing, or ahead of ourselves for narrowing things down the way we have?

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I mean, look...I don't get minute by minute info. I try not to have to seek it out so much. This whole thing with the Executive Session, idk to me means not a whole lot. Last I heard there were calls being made and, frankly, I would expect no less. Are they back channeling? Probably should be so I would assume. I'll try to get some info but gotta say it's always better when it just comes to me rather than fishing

[hoosierpap]

17 minutes ago, hoosierpap said:

I think it's definitely up in the air. The situation is pretty complicated, honestly. People like donors, BOT, Athletic Department are in a lot of unprecedented ground with COVID. A lot of the donors probably made out okay and positive through it. I can think of one I've been to games with who I KNOW is struggling. Some of you may know who I'm talking about. I forget that poster who I assume got banned bc he was a pain to some but I know we had convos about this donor. Add in IU is currently searching for a new President which takes some precedent. McRobbie cared nothing about athletics, which whatever I'm cool w a hands off President in that regard but was a bit a a handcuff at times.

People will combat the COVID stuff by saying "look what we just did for Tom Allen and the football program, and we're a basketball school." Check out the financials and return there and it's obviously worth it to invest in the FB program.  

Anyways, to say that COVID doesn't play a role, what it did for revenue streams and uncertainty going forward (things are looking up but still) it's not your standard situation. I get that "IU can find the money." Sure, is the candidate out there you want or do we fire/hire due to public pressure? No, lol, there is power in numbers but that isn't exactly how this country works unfortunately. Like I said, Dolson will make his calls. To say they're moving on solely due to W/L is naive 

Can someone remind me of him? Something about "hell" in his username? Maybe lol? Truly forget..it's been a little while, folks. Good to be back albeit wish it were under better circumstances

 

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How out of the ordinary is an executive session?  I know there are six board meetings per year -- one every two months -- so I'm guessing executive sessions happen on the off months some, I'm just not sure how often.

[rcbowla]

I mean, look...I don't get minute by minute info. I try not to have to seek it out so much. This whole thing with the Executive Session, idk to me means not a whole lot. Last I heard there were calls being made and, frankly, I would expect no less. Are they back channeling? Probably should be so I would assume. I'll try to get some info but gotta say it's always better when it just comes to me rather than fishing

I appreciate your info and your response although it doesn't give me the warm fuzzies. I have a question and it's not necessarily just for you Pap although I'd like to get your take on it. So from an athletic standpoint IU basketball is #1 in brand recognition at Indiana and I don't think any will argue that. A vast majority of that fan base has lost belief in this staff. So wouldn't you say to not make a change at HC of the BB team(which is what that same majority wants)but then to give the football coach a raise in March when basketball is still at the front of everyone's mind is very bad timing from an optics or PR standpoint? And then by doing all of that wouldn't that be driving the wedge even deeper and causing even more animosity from the fan base? I get fans don't matter in the moment but over the course of time they do. I'm not trying to combat you Pap, I'm really not, just something I thought of after taking in the realization that a change very well may not be coming.

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[rcbowla]

Oh and by no means am I saying TA didn't deserve the raise I'm just simply saying it could've been announced at a better time.

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[Hoosierfan2017]

Gonna have nightmares of a 5th Archie Miller season after reading all that so close to bed.

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14 minutes ago, rcs29 said:

I appreciate your info and your response although it doesn't give me the warm fuzzies. I have a question and it's not necessarily just for you Pap although I'd like to get your take on it. So from an athletic standpoint IU basketball is #1 in brand recognition at Indiana and I don't think any will argue that. A vast majority of that fan base has lost belief in this staff. So wouldn't you say to not make a change at HC of the BB team(which is what that same majority wants)but then to give the football coach a raise in March when basketball is still at the front of everyone's mind is very bad timing from an optics or PR standpoint? And then by doing all of that wouldn't that be driving the wedge even deeper and causing even more animosity from the fan base? I get fans don't matter in the moment but over the course of time they do. I'm not trying to combat you Pap, I'm really not, just something I thought of after taking in the realization that a change very well may not be coming.

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Definitely not taking this as combative, as you mentioned. Good questions, I'll answer what I do know.

I do agree it's not the best time/optics. Unfortunately, the other option is worse. Select a guy you aren't feeling for sure, hire him, pay the buy-out on CAM, pay the salary. Not invest in a program that makes more than 2.5x the storied basketball program. Be back where you're at right now 4 years from now. I get why everyone is looking for a change, I think you do have to consider the flip of the coin and not just next year.

 

Fans do make a difference. Donors make more of a difference. TV deals...mwah. Archie Miller, Tom Allen and Scott Dolson took paycuts...

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42 minutes ago, rcs29 said:

I appreciate your info and your response although it doesn't give me the warm fuzzies. I have a question and it's not necessarily just for you Pap although I'd like to get your take on it. So from an athletic standpoint IU basketball is #1 in brand recognition at Indiana and I don't think any will argue that. A vast majority of that fan base has lost belief in this staff. So wouldn't you say to not make a change at HC of the BB team(which is what that same majority wants)but then to give the football coach a raise in March when basketball is still at the front of everyone's mind is very bad timing from an optics or PR standpoint? And then by doing all of that wouldn't that be driving the wedge even deeper and causing even more animosity from the fan base? I get fans don't matter in the moment but over the course of time they do. I'm not trying to combat you Pap, I'm really not, just something I thought of after taking in the realization that a change very well may not be coming.

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Could it possibly be that TA was potentially getting poached by another school?

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6 hours ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Gonna have nightmares of a 5th Archie Miller season after reading all that so close to bed.

I don't believe my fandom can last another year of the worst coach in Indiana history. 

[rcbowla]

Could it possibly be that TA was potentially getting poached by another school?

I could get that but in March? Who besides Kansas is looking? Again I agree with paying the man but just seems like they could've waited a month or 2 before telling everyone if they didn't plan to make a change in BB.

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[ClairvoyantHoosier]

Greetings fellow Hoosiers! I come from the great basketball beyond. Gazing into my crystal ball I see a coach in the republic making a lot of calls behind the scenes to Indiana. Will he be successful in his quest to be our next coach? Doh! Outlook is still cloudy.

[Class of '66 Old Fart]

I'm not really into the football program but wouldn't the timing Allen's raise and the hoopla of the announcement be ideal from a recruiting standpoint?  I honestly don't know if it is or isn't.

[Hovadipo]

22 minutes ago, ClairvoyantHoosier said:

Greetings fellow Hoosiers! I come from the great basketball beyond. Gazing into my crystal ball I see a coach in the republic making a lot of calls behind the scenes to Indiana. Will he be successful in his quest to be our next coach? Doh! Outlook is still cloudy.

This should be a good time. 

[coonhounds]

This should be a good time. 

Yes very excited to have a fortune teller on here.

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[Trish]

7 hours ago, hoosierpap said:

Definitely not taking this as combative, as you mentioned. Good questions, I'll answer what I do know.

I do agree it's not the best time/optics. Unfortunately, the other option is worse. Select a guy you aren't feeling for sure, hire him, pay the buy-out on CAM, pay the salary. Not invest in a program that makes more than 2.5x the storied basketball program. Be back where you're at right now 4 years from now. I get why everyone is looking for a change, I think you do have to consider the flip of the coin and not just next year.

 

Fans do make a difference. Donors make more of a difference. TV deals...mwah. Archie Miller, Tom Allen and Scott Dolson took paycuts...

I agree.

This situation is too fragile to mess up. We need to be certain with the next candidate if we're going to buy-out this large contract. I don't know any donors but I can imagine it would be silly to buy-out Archie and settle for a lateral move. Would make more sense to wait out the extra year and everyone saves money.

Perhaps it's also important to take a look into the landscape of open jobs in college basketball currently. Archie has to seek out employment if he's fired. He's not going to take Indiana State. But if there were more open jobs that he could fit, we would be off the leash perhaps. I'm not exactly sure how many head coaching jobs will be saved this year. COVID.. 

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47 minutes ago, ClairvoyantHoosier said:

Greetings fellow Hoosiers! I come from the great basketball beyond. Gazing into my crystal ball I see a coach in the republic making a lot of calls behind the scenes to Indiana. Will he be successful in his quest to be our next coach? Doh! Outlook is still cloudy.

Republic?  Texas?  California?