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[Chris007]

5 minutes ago, JSHoosier said:

I thought it was a double and hoping for an error.  Do I get partial credit for being right on the error part?

I lived off partial credit in college

[Trish]

37 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

I thought Archie's hire was a double, maybe stretching it into a triple, I thought Allen hire was a strikeout that the catcher missed the 3rd strike and we got to 1st base. So what I'm saying I can't judge hire for crap. I also think this is just an average job in the Big ten these days, slightly higher than Nebraska, & Rutgers, maybe Northwestern. I have zero confidence that we make a great hire next time. 

Chris has spoken it, Indiana is not that great of a job anymore! 

Stop making fun of me for thinking Indiana is a good job anymore LOL!

[Chris007]

Just now, Treesh said:

Chris has spoken it, Indiana is not that great of a job anymore! 

Stop making fun of me for thinking Indiana is a good job anymore LOL!

It's just my opinion and as my wife tells me all the time I'm not the brightest tool in the shed. 

[Trish]

1 minute ago, Chris007 said:

It's just my opinion and as my wife tells me all the time I'm not the brightest tool in the shed. 

I agree with you. Indiana isn't all that great of a job these days. I like to think we have the potential and some of the fundamentals to be a great job. 

But the pressure of the fan base and banners on the wall make it a whole lot harder to have a chance here. Our facilities are dated, we're located in Indiana, our fan-base is great but has a reputation of turning quickly and is already divided on IU guy vs non IU guy. I keep saying it, but we (IU fans) have been spoiled with national championships, Bobby Knight, and CTC taking us to Sweet 16's with lots of 3 pointers. 

It would be nice to win and make a dance sure, but we've set the standard of national championships here. I prefer the standard but there's a divide amongst the fan base I believe on what IU basketball should be. 

 

[rcbowla]

Chris has spoken it, Indiana is not that great of a job anymore! 
Stop making fun of me for thinking Indiana is a good job anymore LOL!

Just because a poster shares an opinion doesn't make it true. Maybe it is and maybe it isn't but I believe with the resources and infrastructure in place that it is still at least a top 15-20 job in college basketball at minimum. That's my opinion and it may very well be wrong. The market will let us know soon enough in all likelihood.

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[Trish]

4 minutes ago, rcs29 said:

Just because a poster shares an opinion doesn't make it true. Maybe it is and maybe it isn't but I believe with the resources and infrastructure in place that it is still at least a top 15-20 job in college basketball at minimum. That's my opinion and it may very well be wrong. The market will let us know soon enough in all likelihood.

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When we're stuck with Alford, Randy Whitman, or Mike Woodson, we'll know. 

[rcbowla]

When we're stuck with Alford, Randy Whitman, or Mike Woodson, we'll know. 

Wittman and Woodson would both be ok with me if they weren't meant to be stop gaps and had their successor in place

 

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[kreigh8]

If the admin was so deadset against athletic success why aren't they actively sabotaging Allen and the football program? If they were so against athletic success why do they continue to allow for such a large recruiting budget? I'm just not buying this conspiracy theory until I've seen some tangible proof as to their desires. Just doesn't add up to me, but maybe I need to get my tinfoil hat on.

[Trish]

Just now, kreigh8 said:

If the admin was so deadset against athletic success why aren't they actively sabotaging Allen and the football program? If they were so against athletic success why do they continue to allow for such a large recruiting budget? I'm just not buying this conspiracy theory until I've seen some tangible proof as to their desires. Just doesn't add up to me, but maybe I need to get my tinfoil hat on.

I think it's an excuse because no one wants the Indiana basketball job. 

 

3 minutes ago, rcs29 said:

Wittman and Woodson would both be ok with me if they weren't meant to be stop gaps and had their successor in place

 

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I can only Imagine if we hired Mike or Randy. This board would be calling for their head after they see the pace at which we'd play at! 

[NashvilleHoosier]

26 minutes ago, Treesh said:

I agree with you. Indiana isn't all that great of a job these days. I like to think we have the potential and some of the fundamentals to be a great job. 

I would word this slightly differently in that Indiana is not as attractive of a job as it used to be mainly because it's been so long since we had a high level of sustained success (among many other things). But we definitely have the potential and ALL of the fundamentals to be a great job. I may be missing something but I don't think there is anything missing off the court (TV exposure, facilities, recruiting base, fans still willing to show up, etc) that is holding us back. It's all there besides the on-court success. If this was the equivalent to Nebraska football, i'd be worried. They have all of the things needed off the field besides a strong recruiting base and now every other program has the same TV exposure so they have a harder time recruiting nationally. I don't see how Nebraska football ever becomes a top tier elite program again. I don't think there is any of those outside factors holding IU back from being elite again, therefore I think many will still see this as a great job. 

[NashvilleHoosier]

I'm only one person, but if this makes any difference at all.....I've lived in Tennessee for 14 years now. I can't tell you how many times it's come up during a conversation about sports with someone that when I say I went to IU the first reaction is something like "oh so you're just waiting on basketball season". Of course, now that we're the premier football program in conference, if not the nation, I can fire back pretty quickly, but that aside, my point is we are still very much seen as a big basketball school. I work with two Kansas fans and they recognize IU is still a basketball blue blood that just needs the right guy. The history is not erased. And if this was not a good job anymore I would think I'd get more reactions like "yeah basketball used to be big there, right?" Maybe not....maybe they're just trying to be nice down here (side note: southern hospitality is 100% an absolute myth). Just some more thoughts. 

I'd probably compare it more to Texas football. They have eeeeevvvvvvvverything they need off the field. But b/c they haven't been that great for the past decade plus (yeah I know they won a title in like 2004) it doesn't change my opinion of whether it's a good job or not. It's still a top tier job. 

[JSHoosier]

20 minutes ago, kreigh8 said:

If the admin was so deadset against athletic success why aren't they actively sabotaging Allen and the football program? If they were so against athletic success why do they continue to allow for such a large recruiting budget? I'm just not buying this conspiracy theory until I've seen some tangible proof as to their desires. Just doesn't add up to me, but maybe I need to get my tinfoil hat on.

Maybe they don't want basketball to be "bugger than the university".  It's Indiana, no chance of that happening in football. 

[Uspshoosier]

12 minutes ago, kreigh8 said:

If the admin was so deadset against athletic success why aren't they actively sabotaging Allen and the football program? If they were so against athletic success why do they continue to allow for such a large recruiting budget? I'm just not buying this conspiracy theory until I've seen some tangible proof as to their desires. Just doesn't add up to me, but maybe I need to get my tinfoil hat on.

Because the football program never had a figure that was bigger then the university.  Once Knight was fired it was said that the administration promised not to hire another person that would become bigger then the university.   Dakich tells a story of being in a meeting during his time as a coach where he claims they were told this was how it was going to go.    He says it to this day.   IU basketball is exactly where the administration wants it to be.   If Archie does get fired at least people on here should thank him for actually pushing for change.   It was a battle for him to get the locker rooms upgraded and something else to do with a meal plan for their players that basically mid major had that IU didn’t do.   Someone else might know more about that.  Most schools athletic compliance departments work with the athletic dep.  it’s has been reported that IU goes out of its way to make things more difficult.   Mason Miller went on a tour at Creighton during this pandemic even though coaches were not allowed to participate in the visits.    Creighton department was fine with that and he and his mom went on a visit.  They were suppose to go to IU later in the week.   IU’s compliance dep recommended the visit not happen so they cancelled the visit.  I’m not saying that was the reason he went to Creighton but just an example 

[Alford Bailey]

24 minutes ago, kreigh8 said:

If the admin was so deadset against athletic success why aren't they actively sabotaging Allen and the football program? If they were so against athletic success why do they continue to allow for such a large recruiting budget? I'm just not buying this conspiracy theory until I've seen some tangible proof as to their desires. Just doesn't add up to me, but maybe I need to get my tinfoil hat on.

They want to be average in every sport and not great in any.

[kreigh8]

8 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

Because the football program never had a figure that was bigger then the university.  Once Knight was fired it was said that the administration promised not to hire another person that would become bigger then the university.   Dakich tells a story of being in a meeting during his time as a coach where he claims they were told this was how it was going to go.    He says it to this day.   IU basketball is exactly where the administration wants it to be.   If Archie does get fired at least people on here should thank him for actually pushing for change.   It was a battle for him to get the locker rooms upgraded and something else to do with a meal plan for their players that basically mid major had that IU didn’t do.   Someone else might know more about that.  Most schools athletic compliance departments work with the athletic dep.  it’s has been reported that IU goes out of its way to make things more difficult.   Mason Miller went on a tour at Creighton during this pandemic even though coaches were not allowed to participate in the visits.    Creighton department was fine with that and he and his mom went on a visit.  They were suppose to go to IU later in the week.   IU’s compliance dep recommended the visit not happen so they cancelled the visit.  I’m not saying that was the reason he went to Creighton but just an example 

Well, wouldn't that be wise as to not allow a coach to become bigger than the university? Things went very badly for them when they decided (were forced?) to move on from Knight. I guess I just don't get why they wouldn't cut the budget both for the salary of the HC and the recruiting if this is where they want to be.

I wasn't happy with the way Allen was hired without a formalized recruiting search, but I'm gladly eating crow now and seems to be working out quite well for both parties. Can't it just be simply we haven't found the right coach to lead the basketball program yet without some hidden agenda from the admin? I appreciate you covering that, but if they were happy with the results, wouldn't they also want to save costs? You could likely produce the same results that Archie has in 4 years at a fraction of the price?

[kreigh8]

2 minutes ago, Alford Bailey said:

They want to be average in every sport and not great in any.

Soccer seems to do well for themselves...

[Feathery]

23 minutes ago, Treesh said:

I think it's an excuse because no one wants the Indiana basketball job. 

 

I can only Imagine if we hired Mike or Randy. This board would be calling for their head after they see the pace at which we'd play at! 

I don’t think it’s an excuse that nobody wants the job. It’s an excuse bc those making the decision haven’t hired the right guys, burnt bridges with good candidates, and played politics instead of getting the best person for the job. 
 

Pitino would have came but we kept Mike Davis. 
 

John Beilein wasn’t chosen, hired Sampson instead. 

Tony Bennett passed on the job, he didn’t feel ready and his sister was fired from IU. Crean hired instead. 
 

Archie was a hot name but IU could have had Holtmann or Mack. They chose wrong. 

[Chris007]

2 minutes ago, Feathery said:

I don’t think it’s an excuse that nobody wants the job. It’s an excuse bc those making the decision haven’t hired the right guys, burnt bridges with good candidates, and played politics instead of getting the best person for the job. 
 

Pitino would have came but we kept Mike Davis. 
 

John Beilein wasn’t chosen, hired Sampson instead. 

Tony Bennett passed on the job, he didn’t feel ready and his sister was fired from IU. Crean hired instead. 
 

Archie was a hot name but IU could have had Holtmann or Mack. They chose wrong. 

Just my opinion from what I have been told and seen, the only person above who wanted the job is Beilein. Pitino wife said no, Bennett had no interest, Holtman told his agent no way of being in this fishbowl and Mack was always going to Louisville with his in-laws being big donors. 

[Uspshoosier]

2 minutes ago, kreigh8 said:

Well, wouldn't that be wise as to not allow a coach to become bigger than the university? Things went very badly for them when they decided (were forced?) to move on from Knight. I guess I just don't get why they wouldn't cut the budget both for the salary of the HC and the recruiting if this is where they want to be.

I wasn't happy with the way Allen was hired without a formalized recruiting search, but I'm gladly eating crow now and seems to be working out quite well for both parties. Can't it just be simply we haven't found the right coach to lead the basketball program yet without some hidden agenda from the admin? I appreciate you covering that, but if they were happy with the results, wouldn't they also want to save costs? You could likely produce the same results that Archie has in 4 years at a fraction of the price?

I would say they did want to save costs and hired Archie.   That number would of been way higher if they went after a proven more established coach.   I would say they underpaid for the hottest coach during that coaching cycle.   IU was still able to get the guy they wanted that everyone in the college basketball world called the safest sure bet hire.   The coach that turned down and didn’t even pick up to the for multiple high major teams.   IU could and probably should offer way more money this next time to show that they are serious.    No way Dayton should be able to match an offer given to a coach but that’s exactly what happened.   Dayton matched IU’s offer for him to stay at Dayton.   He just chose to come to iu but he could of stayed and made the same amount of money at Dayton that he could of at IU.      
 

[Uspshoosier]

8 minutes ago, Feathery said:

I don’t think it’s an excuse that nobody wants the job. It’s an excuse bc those making the decision haven’t hired the right guys, burnt bridges with good candidates, and played politics instead of getting the best person for the job. 
 

Pitino would have came but we kept Mike Davis. 
 

John Beilein wasn’t chosen, hired Sampson instead. 

Tony Bennett passed on the job, he didn’t feel ready and his sister was fired from IU. Crean hired instead. 
 

Archie was a hot name but IU could have had Holtmann or Mack. They chose wrong. 

They couldn’t of  had Holtmann.   He wanted no part of the job.    Mack would of been interesting to see if he would of taken it.    But if you got Mack you would of been sweating it out that next year when Louisville opened to see if he would of bolted.    He didn’t hide the fact the Louisville was he preferred spot with his wife family being from that area