General Coach Candidate News

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21 minutes ago, Trish said:

There’s some concerns with me regarding Ben, that’s revolves around style of play. Consider these rankings in the B1G / P4 basketball. 
 
337 in D1 in 3PT ATTEMPTS / GAME

363 in D1 IN FGA ATTEMPTS / GAME

364 in D1 in PACE

OFFENSIVE RATING - 51

DEFENSIVE RATING - 31

That doesn’t get me excited. It doesn’t sound fun to watch although I watched the game today and it was pretty fundamental.

I'm in on McCollum (personally I go Stevens, May, Otz, McCollum), but this is a good point because the lack of threes and shooters with both Archie and Woodson have been maddening. Can't really find stuff on his D2 team's stats outside of going each individual year on the team website, but for share of 3 pointers on Torvik (labelled as 3PT Rate on the individual team pages) here's what we have for the main candidates this year and where Indiana is right now. Looks like 3PT Share is a percent compared to long 2s, close 2s, and dunks for each team. Results aren't a defense of any candidate, just for comparison sake since it's an interesting point

https://www.barttorvik.com/teampbp.php?sort=10&year=2025&conlimit=

Creighton/McDermott - 49.7, 8th in NCAA (highest power conference team)

Michigan/May - 42.5, 90th (3rd of B10 teams)

Baylor/Drew - 40.9, 133rd

Mississippi/Beard - 40.2, 151st

Clemson/Brownell - 38.8, 175th

Drake/McCollum - 36.9, 226th

Iowa State/Otz - 36.5, 245th

Indiana/Woodson - 33.6, 316th

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Maybe this is why we get crappy coaches because the top coaches don't want to come here. They see the fan base turns quickly on the coach if they don't win right away.

some top coaches would come but iu won't touch them.

 

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2 minutes ago, BradStevens said:

Chins up here fellas. Just remember it is better to have loved and lost, then never loved at all. We'll always have March 15-19, 2021 and February/March 2025.

Ah March 19, 2021…the first time Ben McCollum was introduced to this board - https://btownbanners.com/topic/12834-coaching-candidate-thread-ben-mccollum/

 

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5 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Coaches get at least 4 years here and then $10 million to go away. Not exactly a bad gig. If a coach is too afraid to come here because he wants more than 4 years to build a contender then I have no interest in him. 

I am not talking about the administration but the fans turning on coaches at the first site if trouble.

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Coaches get at least 4 years here and then $10 million to go away. Not exactly a bad gig. If a coach is too afraid to come here because he wants more than 4 years to build a contender then I have no interest in him. 

Go get mccolum and give him four years to get this going. Patience is key folks

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[Hoosierfanyuh 4,107]

Well that was a waste of 10 pages to read lol

[str8baller 6,644]

6 minutes ago, JPCIVOP said:

Think Iowa will get him, and he'll be very good. Am amazed at what he's done this year; basically took a roster of DII players and won the Valley. Winning isn't boring. 

An alternative take away is that D2 and even D3 basketball is really good too. Top D2 teams have always competed with and beaten the bottom of Div1. Today I think we can safely say the very tippy top of D2 is good enough to handily win a mid major conference. 
 

I’m not sure McCollum was handicapped by bringing his old players along.

[Trish 12,986]

2 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

You will still be here watching and hoping it changes just like the last 2 coaching hires that you hated to the core at the time of them hiring them.  All of us will be here hoping it changes no matter the coach 

I actually liked the Archie hiring, the Woodson hire was irresponsible. But perhaps the hiring of Woody does indeed indicate the status of Indiana Basketball and could be that it no longer has the “IT” factor despite what fans want to believe. We’ll find out when the news is released. 

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Just now, Scotty R said:

I am not talking about the administration but the fans turning on coaches at the first site if trouble.

Fans of a sporting team getting mad and turning on coaches on the internet?  I’m shocked 

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5 minutes ago, IU Prof said:

There is a difference between slow and boring. UConn was in the 300s in pace last year, but I don't think anyone would say they were boring.

The issue with McCollum is experience at this level. Not style of play.

I think style of play is a huge issue at this level. 

[Trish 12,986]

2 minutes ago, Hoosierfanyuh said:

Well that was a waste of 10 pages to read lol

If you’re wanting actual news, you’ll be waiting until after Selection Sunday / Indiana’s final game. The rumors have been shut down for a reason, too much smoke was blowing. 

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8 minutes ago, str8baller said:

His DEff outstrips his OEff by a fair margin. And both Schwartz’s Indiana State and Devries’ Drake had more efficient offenses last year in the same conference. 
 

That’s not to say he doesn’t run an efficient offense but a few data points to consider. My guess is his bread in butter is that defense. Just a guess tho…

Oh, he’s definitely defense first. He’s on record that part of the offensive pace is to protect the defense. 

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31 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

A few days ago twice I tagged @RoadToZion with a post specifically asking if his “it’s Brad” posts refer to Stevens or Brownell.

He's been on the board since then but has not answered.

While I don’t know how strong Road to Zion’s  source is, at this point I am pretty confident that he is flat out predicting that Brad Brownell with be the next coach of the Hoosiers.

 

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3 minutes ago, Magnanimous said:

Ah March 19, 2021…the first time Ben McCollum was introduced to this board - https://btownbanners.com/topic/12834-coaching-candidate-thread-ben-mccollum/

 

Stuhoo was all in and thanks for sharing those links…..very good info 

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3 minutes ago, str8baller said:

An alternative take away is that D2 and even D3 basketball is really good too. Top D2 teams have always competed with and beaten the bottom of Div1. Today I think we can safely say the very tippy top of D2 is good enough to handily win a mid major conference. 
 

I’m not sure McCollum was handicapped by bringing his old players along.

Who developed and scouted those players to begin with? 

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9 minutes ago, Scotty R said:

Maybe this is why we get crappy coaches because the top coaches don't want to come here. They see the fan base turns quickly on the coach if they don't win right away.

North Carolina fans wanted Hubert Davis fired the year after a conference championship and also after taking them to the title game his first year.  IU would have built Woodson a statue with those results.  IU is no better or worse than any other fan base.  

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Brownell has been at Clemson 15 years; he's won 53% of his conference games, made the tournament 4 times, and finished top 5 in conference 6 times.

Let's not gaslight ourselves, that would be a bad hire and he would fail here.

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Just now, Trish said:

I actually liked the Archie hiring

I don’t think so at the initial hiring of him.   I went back in that thread recently to try and find an article about Archie getting hired and how they met him in Atlanta and out west and your first response was IM DEAD or something like that and it made me laugh thinking of you probably thinking of the tank train on day from day.   You might of warmed up to him but your first reaction was priceless 

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5 minutes ago, Hornsby said:

some top coaches would come but iu won't touch them.

 

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What makes Beard a top coach. He has had two really good seasons and the rest are just average. Doesn't that sound a lot like Crean

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Just now, JSHoosier said:

Brownell has been at Clemson 15 years; he's won 53% of his conference games, made the tournament 4 times, and finished top 5 in conference 6 times.

Let's not gaslight ourselves, that would be a bad hire and he would fail here.

He doesn’t have a sexy resume, that’s for sure. In fact, the only reason he’s mentioned is because he’s from Indiana I guess? But again, if Dolson is hiring a guy like that, then we all know the real status of Indiana Basketball.