IU vs UC Davis

[Stuhoo]

Bielfeldt made a nice point:

The 1976 undefeated Hoosiers beat (among their 32 wins) a 6-20 Ohio State team by two points, 66-64.

This team ain’t the 1976 Hoosiers. Especially with three of our top nine players sidelined.

We won by 14 to move to 5-1.

We played uninspired ball for 30 minutes, and had plenty in the tank at the end.

We’re fine.

 

[WayneFleekHoosier]

Bielfeldt made a nice point:
The 1976 undefeated Hoosiers beat (among their 32 wins) a 6-20 Ohio State team by two points, 66-64.
This team ain’t the 1976 Hoosiers. Especially with three of our top nine players sidelined.
We won by 14 to move to 5-1.
We played uninspired ball for 30 minutes, and had plenty in the tank at the end.
We’re fine.
 

I’m not sure we are fine but otherwise I can agree. We still have enough potential to have a good year. By the 1st of the year we will have a pretty good idea where we stand.


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[biteoftheapple]

This team needs to be reminded that defense travels. You can win playing good def. Until tge last 6mins we were both outshot and outrebounded. Tge rebounding needs improvement certainly .

[MikeRoberts]

Bielfeldt made a nice point:
The 1976 undefeated Hoosiers beat (among their 32 wins) a 6-20 Ohio State team by two points, 66-64.
This team ain’t the 1976 Hoosiers. Especially with three of our top nine players sidelined.
We won by 14 to move to 5-1.
We played uninspired ball for 30 minutes, and had plenty in the tank at the end.
We’re fine.
 

Agreed on a 1 game basis but in this young season we have played poorly 3 games in a row and do not seem to be getting better at the most rudimentary parts of the game like free throws, layups and passing. It’s crazy given how much talent we have, injuries or not. Every team has injuries and it seems like several are precautionary


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[HoosierHoops1]

1 hour ago, Banksyrules said:

Ok go ahead and be miserable. It’s not being lazy , it’s called being exhausted. These guys are still adjusting. Just watch and see what happens. Trust an old Hoosier who’s seen many a time even with bob knight teams. If this team gets some of the injured players back, this team will be real fun to watch.

Our '81 championship team was busy getting waxed in Hawaii about this time in 1980. We were terrible.

[Napleshoosier]

After calming down, we just aren’t as good as I was hoping for ! Stuhoo, yup we suck! It does such but I’d what it is


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[Napleshoosier]

I’m mean we do suck!


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[Napleshoosier]

Crawl into my Boll and Branch sheets! Yup they are great. 🤞


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[Napleshoosier]

Their down products are from Indian btw!


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[Old Friend]

We're playing with one real point guard, a big man off the bench who's coming off a debilitating injury, starting a kid in Durham, forced to play 38 minutes and shouldn't play more than 10 (and you sure as hell can't play him 38 minutes if he's not going to get a single assist); plus giving minutes to Anderson who's clearly not ready.

You cannot...in any league at any level...successfully play a series of games where starters are playing 36-40 minutes every night.   That said, you also can't have bagels off the bench. 0 points, 3 rebounds, 3 turnovers, an assist, and just 4 shot attempts from your bench?  That can't happen.  

You also can't have 11 assists as a team and one kid gets 8 of them.  You can't have a negative assist:TO ratio.    You can't keep missing 1/3rd of your FT's.  You can't play an offensive style that has no flow.   You can't rely on Morgan to make five 3's every night and as a team shooting 59% from out there.

Room for concern?  Absolutely.  Health and fatigue as a huge reason for the problems?  Definitely.

[MoyeNeeded]

1 hour ago, Hardwood83 said:

I appreciate your instinct to defend the team- but I agree with WatShot. That was a gutless display tonight that had little to do with fatigue, IMO. They lost my respect tonight. 

Wow! Just wow! I totally understand not being thrilled with the way the team performed tonight. But ranting that these young men lacked character and were 'gutless' just might be an indication that maybe you are 'clueless' or 'classless'!

[Brass Cannon]

Need Mcroberts back so bad. 

[IUrocker]

Just now, Brass Cannon said:

Need Mcroberts back so bad. 

Definitely. He sets the pitbull effort mindset for the team. When he's out there giving it his all, the rest follow. 

[hoosierdogg]

34 minutes ago, HoosierHoops1 said:

Our '81 championship was busy getting waxed in Hawaii about this time in 1980. We were terrible.

Amazing that team lost 9 games. but 6 were to teams ranked in the top 14, including #2 Kentucky and #8 North Carolina (only to gain revenge in the championship game).

But that team had Isiah Thomas, Ray Tolbert, Landon Turner, Randy Wittman, Ted Kitchel, and Jim Thomas, all 1st or 2nd round NBA draft picks (except Turner, who may have been right there as well).  I do not think the current Hoosiers top six are as talented as those six, and not as big either.  

Oh yea, while looking all this up, those Hawaii losses in December 1980 were to Texas Pan-American by 6 (a wtf game) and to Clemson by 1.  Won the third game over Rutgers.  The other loss that year was to unranked Purdue by 2 at Mackey.  

Hoosiers won the last five regular season games, and the five NCAA games.  In fact, the Hoosiers dominated that tournament with an average win margin of 23 points.  You can probably tell from my profile pic, that 1981 team was perhaps  my favorite.  An unexpected, but dominate champion.  

[Old Friend]

4 minutes ago, Hardwood83 said:

Whatever makes you feel better- I saw what I saw. Fatigue at the end of the game?  That I could understand. Throwing lazy passes, not trying on defense and generally getting out-hustled by a bunch of dorks for the first 30 minutes ain't fatigue, it's lack of interest and THAT is a character issue.  

I don't know you, my man....but this is a pretty big step you're taking with kids YOU don't know.  Indiana played 3 games in 6 days with basically no bench.  Attacking the character of these guys after what you saw against Marquette is a low blow.  If you're going down that path, I hope you're willing to stay with it all year because character isn't something that comes and goes; and this perspective will be as unpopular as it is inaccurate.  

[Old Friend]

9 minutes ago, Hardwood83 said:

Never claimed to "know" anyone, I'm just reacting to what I saw and it really makes me mad. I can accept IU getting beat by a better team. Having a poor shooting night, bad luck, etc. I don't believe that was the case tonight. You think they were "just tired", I think it was disinterest in competing. I guess we'll just have to disagree. And no, I don't have to stay with anything all year, the onus is on IU, I'm not on scholarship.  But I'm ready and eager to jump back on the band-wagon, but tonight's performance (other than Juwan) was pitiful (objectively) and it had nothing to do with the opponent or fatigue (subjectively.)  

So you can judge character based on what you see?   I don't know anyone else who can do that.  (You have to know someone to know their character)

Yeah..if you're going to attack character, you need to stick with that.  Character is who someone is.  That doesn't change. You can go after effort on a given night; but you also have to be objective; and if you don't believe these kids (three of them freshmen and another kid who hasn't played in a year) aren't fatigued, I wonder why you feel that way.

[Alford Bailey]

Looking rough.

[JimBobJimmyBob]

Of course you can judge character based on what you see....what else is there to judge? (Serious question, btw).  

If you’re watching some kids play a game, during which they make some bad passes, or miss some shots, or otherwise don’t play their best for one reason or another and decide that that it’s a reason to question their “character,” then you’re an insufferable ******-nozzle that I’m embarrassed to have associated with my alma mater in any way. All it takes is a little effort to listen to any of these kids get interviewed, or just look a little bit into how they act, how they treat other people, their presence in the Bloomington community to understand their character.

Overall, the team didn’t play well tonight. I shouted a few expletives at the screen. There were plenty of boneheaded plays against a team they should have run out of the gym. So be it. Plenty of coaching opportunities.

We have a young, battered team with a still-new coach with only 4 (active) players that he actually recruited to play in his system. The complete lack of patience, the insufferable demands for what we as fans are “entitled” to because we won 5 national championships more than 30 years ago is just disgusting. Barely a week ago we ran a ranked team off the floor, shutting down their high-octane offense, but that’s not good enough for people after some less-than-ideal performances. Ugh.

[HoosierX]

19 minutes ago, Hardwood83 said:

Of course you can judge character based on what you see....what else is there to judge? (Serious question, btw). What you do IS who you are. Of course we all have failings, but that is the measure- what we do. 

How about instead "attacking" their character, let's say I'm challenging it. Prove me wrong, Hoosiers, cuz what I saw tonight wasn't a tenacious bunch of competitors that demand victory. It was a group that was out-hustled by some schlubs and did  just enough to get by because they didn't want to be bothered. It doesn't sit well with me. Apparently a lot of people here saw a different game than I did. Finally,  If they are THAT tired then play Moore, Blackmon and Jager or shut-up about it. Juwan played the entire game but wasn't taking plays off. 

Anyway, enough of that stuff. I wasn't looking to argue. I wanted to vent. I think IU mailed it in tonight and it REALLY chapped my hide. 

I think you need to swap “mental toughness” for “character.”  I see those as being two different things.

[ap2345]

So much overreaction going on right now. Nobody will know how good this team is until McRoberts, Green, and Thompson are back and able to contribute for a stretch of several games with rotations that the coaching staff planned on using before all these injuries. Also not having the teams most consistent wing defender in McRoberts is the biggest problem on defense at the moment because that has affected the defense as a whole.


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