(2019) CG - Anthony Harris to North Carolina

[Jam]

6 hours ago, Demo said:

It’s ok as long as it’s repeatable. A little like Trey Galloway’s stroke, but Galloway elevates more. Wrist and elbow are aligned. Ball’s off his palm. Ok wrist snap. He does have some leftward drift.  Similar to Robert Johnson, but not as pronounced because Johnson elevated so much. Drift creates inconsistency, it sure did for RoJo. I think the drift is what the coaches will focus on, wherever he ends up. 

RoJos shot drove me crazy. His feet never seemed to land in the same place he jumped from. Often drifted to left but also front tp back and also to right.

[GloryDays]

3 minutes ago, Jam said:

RoJos shot drove me crazy. His feet never seemed to land in the same place he jumped from. Often drifted to left but also front tp back and also to right.

As a senior Rob's shot was broken.  I swear half of it was the pressure of being the man.He just wasn't that guy.

[MikeRoberts]

As a senior Rob's shot was broken.  I swear half of it was the pressure of being the man.He just wasn't that guy.

People don’t like this but his 3 point shooting regressed under Archie as have a lot of our players.


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[Hoosierfan2017]

8 minutes ago, MikeRoberts said:

People don’t like this but his 3 point shooting regressed under Archie as have a lot of our players.


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That's just not true. He shot a higher percentage on more attempts as a senior under Archie than he did as a junior under Crean. 

[MoyeNeeded]

7 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

That's just not true. He shot a higher percentage on more attempts as a senior under Archie than he did as a junior under Crean. 

Nearly similar.

[MikeRoberts]

That's just not true. He shot a higher percentage on more attempts as a senior under Archie than he did as a junior under Crean. 

He shot a better percent as a freshen and sophomore than he did as a senior under Archie and the same as he did as. Junior. Not sure how you are stating otherwise.

 

His senior year percentage was tied with his junior year as his worst

 

This was also the case for many of our players seeing drops in 3 point percentage and/or free throw percentage

 

 

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[Jeff_Boy_Ardee]

He shot a better percent as a freshen and sophomore than he did as a senior under Archie and the same as he did as. Junior. Not sure how you are stating otherwise.

 

His senior year percentage was tied with his junior year as his worst

 

This was also the case for many of our players seeing drops in 3 point percentage and/or free throw percentage

 

 

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I understand the numbers, not arguing on either side. I just fail to see how a coach can drastically change a shooters percentage. Unless Archie is literally trying to overhaul everyone’s shot to something they’ve never done, which doesn’t seem to be the case, I’ve always been one that tends to believe that rests mostly on the individual. Get there before stay after and put the shots up.

 

 

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[HinnyHoosier]

Shooting is muscle memory. Muscle memory is developed, fine-tuned, and perfected through reps, more reps, even more reps, and then a few more reps. And then after those....more reps. Then repeat. Shooting likely went down as a whole partly because Archie probably spent a ton of practice time overhauling our defense. Anyone who watched our awkward Crean-age years knew defense would be an overhaul-type project. I don't know who spent what amount of time getting shots up on the side at that point.

Then you have the mental part of shooting, which in many cases outweighs the mechanical aspect. As a whole, this program has not been sound in the category of mental toughness/attitude for the last several years now. Combine that with a culture change, overhauling other aspects of the game, and the fact that there are no pure shooters on the roster and you wind up with our current shooting woes. And let's not even discuss whatever bad locker room juju there was because that obviously affected pretty much everything for the last half of the season.

Anywho, back to Harris. Sorry to contribute to a derailment here. I can't remember, or maybe he hasn't decided yet, but is there a set timeline for his commitment?


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[Hoosierfan2017]

8 hours ago, MikeRoberts said:

He shot a better percent as a freshen and sophomore than he did as a senior under Archie and the same as he did as. Junior. Not sure how you are stating otherwise.

 

His senior year percentage was tied with his junior year as his worst

 

This was also the case for many of our players seeing drops in 3 point percentage and/or free throw percentage

 

 

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I'm pretty sure that I've had this conversation with you before. You claimed "People don’t like this but his 3 point shooting regressed under Archie."

As a junior he shot 37% on 5.6 attempts per game. As a senior he shot 37.3% on 5.7 attempts per game. 

In no world does it make sense to claim that his 3 point shooting "regressed" under Archie when his percentage wasn't lower than the previous year. How do you regress by improving?  

As a sophomore he shot 44.7% from 3 on 3.8 attempts per game. It's not at all unusual for a player's percentage to drop when their volume increases. Any drop in his 3 point shooting happened before Archie became the coach. It's silly to attribute that to him when it happened under the previous regime.

[Stuhoo]

Cole Anthony just committed to UNC. Not sure how that affects Harris + or -.

If the transfer Keeling popped for UNC pretty sure that would have a major effect.

 

[MikeRoberts]

I'm pretty sure that I've had this conversation with you before. You claimed "People don’t like this but his 3 point shooting regressed under Archie."
As a junior he shot 37% on 5.6 attempts per game. As a senior he shot 37.3% on 5.7 attempts per game. 
In no world does it make sense to claim that his 3 point shooting "regressed" under Archie when his percentage wasn't lower than the previous year. How do you regress by improving?  
As a sophomore he shot 44.7% from 3 on 3.8 attempts per game. It's not at all unusual for a player's percentage to drop when their volume increases. Any drop in his 3 point shooting happened before Archie became the coach. It's silly to attribute that to him when it happened under the previous regime.

There are a lot of cases of regression in terms of 3 point shooting and free throw shooting. He 2.1 out 5.6 his junior year and 2.1 out of 5.7 per game his senior year which is virtually the same, his free throw shooting dropped 5% within that same period.

Despite his overall percentage being much higher under Crean than Archie you can look at just the transition year and say it’s the same but I mapped out a bunch of players that had even more drastic drop offs and didn’t even include Rojo in that one. It is a fact that more regressed than improves in these categories and that is alarming to me and have pointed to our weight and strength training as a potential reason


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[Stuhoo]

Here's the OV that I think should probably matter the most re affecting Harris's decision. If Keeling pops for UNC during his visit that starts his evening, I'd feel pretty good about our odds.

https://247sports.com/college/north-carolina/Article/Christian-Keeling-UNC-Basketball-Official-Visit-Preview-131410207/

[Hoosierfan2017]

6 minutes ago, MikeRoberts said:

There are a lot of cases of regression in terms of 3 point shooting and free throw shooting. He 2.1 out 5.6 his junior year and 2.1 out of 5.7 per game his senior year which is virtually the same, his free throw shooting dropped 5% within that same period.

Despite his overall percentage being much higher under Crean than Archie you can look at just the transition year and say it’s the same but I mapped out a bunch of players that had even more drastic drop offs and didn’t even include Rojo in that one. It is a fact that more regressed than improves in these categories and that is alarming to me and have pointed to our weight and strength training as a potential reason


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My post wasn't about the other players, it was about Johnson, as was yours. His free throw percentage was a little lower as a senior than a junior, but he was shooting 2.6 per game compared to 1.6 per game the previous year. His senior free throw percentage was higher than his average in the three previous years combined. His 3 point percentage dropped from his sophomore year to his junior year, and then improved from his junior year to his senior year. If there are examples of players who regressed under Archie then use them, because Rob was not one of them. 

[Hollywood Mike Miranda]

6 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

My post wasn't about the other players, it was about Johnson, as was yours. His free throw percentage was a little lower as a senior than a junior, but he was shooting 2.6 per game compared to 1.6 per game the previous year. His senior free throw percentage was higher than his average in the three previous years combined. His 3 point percentage dropped from his sophomore year to his junior year, and then improved from his junior year to his senior year. If there are examples of players who regressed under Archie then use them, because Rob was not one of them. 

But the REAL question is... what do you guys think about this Anthony Harris fella?

[BGleas]

I don't get how Archie made RoJo's 3pt percentage go down, when RoJo's 3pt percentage didnt go down under Archie?!?!

RoJo's big drop in 3pt percentage happened under Crean his junior year. RoJo is a streaky shooter, his sophomore year he was surrounded by a ton of talent and good shooters so he got a lot of high quality, catch and shoot looks, hence the really high percentage. 

His percentage dropped significantly, under Crean, his junior year because he took far more contested, off the dribble 3's with less talent around him, and took a higher volume. That dropped percentage under Crean stayed about the same his senior year under Archie due to the same circumstances. 

[Uspshoosier]

Cole Anthony just committed to UNC. Not sure how that affects Harris + or -.
If the transfer Keeling popped for UNC pretty sure that would have a major effect.
 

Roy wants all 3. Going to sell Harris that Anthony is one and done and keeling will be gone after 1 year. They are hoping the excitement of the Anthony commitment gets Harris to commit on the visit. If Harris makes it out of that visit without committing I feel IU will have a really good shot at landing him


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[Brass Cannon]

1 minute ago, Fkfootball1 said:

If Virginia would get involved, I think they could get him.


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I have to think on some level the kid appreciates Archie has been on him for over a year 

[Brass Cannon]

1 minute ago, Uspshoosier said:

Roy wants all 3. Going to sell Harris that Anthony is one and done and keeling will be gone after 1 year. They are hoping the excitement of the Anthony commitment gets Harris to commit on the visit. If Harris makes it out of that visit without committing I feel IU will have a really good shot at landing him


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Why wait a year. There’s PT to be had here regardless 

[HoosierFan1994]

Brian Snow stated that it is a very good thing for IU that Cole Anthony chose UNC. I don't know if that is obvious or not but he is in the know. Isn't as high on Watford and Quinones. 

[HoosierRobbie]

Corey Evans thinks Harris will choose Unc based on close to home and playing in the acc..


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