IU vs O$U Game thread 1/30 7 pm

[Magnanimous]

10 minutes ago, Treesh said:

Defense has improved. Best defense I've seen in 9 years. 

Better half court offense and playing against the zone compared to the previous ten years as well.

We have no reliable shooters and only one player we can count on every night. This team is what it is. There are enough pieces there between Morgan, Johnson, Green, and Hartman to make noise if they all go off on the same night, but it's wishful thinking, and the ship has likely sailed on anything remotely noteworthy to write about this season. It's tough to be patient, but we have a good group coming in that will set the foundation for Miller's tenure. Every coach has to work with what he's got. Miller has a subpar roster. 

[ebridges24]

2 hours ago, reconmkd said:

I like how the sky is falling and IU is going to be a bottom dweller forever after a game that we were expected to lose! I mean really people I don't think their is a coach is the world that could get this team to perform consistently! I for one am happy at the progress that Archie has made with the players that are still teachable! I mean think about how difficult it would be to take team that has never put any effort or had any accountability on defense and get them to where they are now. In the last 10 years have we EVER played defense, had a successful inbounds play, beat a zone defense, or executed any type of half court offense that didn't involve excessive dribbling or a shot clock violation or chucking a contested 3!
I just can't see how people are not seeing any progress! We have a roster full of role players, followers, non D1 players, and JMo. Although I want them to win every time they take the court, this year I knew I had to come to reality and lower my expectations. I see us getting a NIT invite and potentially winning a game or a few games which is "better" than last year


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remember you have to finish .500 or better overall to get an NIT bid. i don't see it happening.

[Bailey7878]

remember you have to finish .500 or better overall to get an NIT bid. i don't see it happening.

At this point the nit looks very iffy
It sure didn't a week ago.

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[ElectricBoogaloo]

This team man... I know it was a quick turnaround but that game was awful. 

[Brass Cannon]

20 minutes ago, Bailey7878 said:

At this point the nit looks very iffy
It sure didn't a week ago.

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Still possible. Got to win the winnable ones

[yogisballin]

One of the complaints Dayton fans had about Archie was his recruiting. Look at what Will Wade has done at LSU so far.

Apples to Oranges, he is in $EC


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[rebelhoosier848891]

The usual tonight: Good Defense—Horrible Offense. It is hard to beat any Big Ten team if you can’t shoot the ball—including free throws. Keep working Hoosiers. There is still time to salvage a respectable season....


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[Uspshoosier]

http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketball/news/indiana-hoosiers-ohio-state-buckeyes-rivalry-archie-chris-holtmann-big-ten-conference/dur6m1dq94dl1q7qxftmfwtg6


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[KB0]

5 games in 12 days. 3 straight against top 20 teams....woof. The Illinois loss stings even more now. 

I expect they'll bounce back and play MSU close for most of the game, similar to Duke/Purdue. Just don't think this IU team has enough firepower to get over the top.

[Josh]

Our team is really bad. Yuck. This has been going on far too long. Fire Fred Glass.

It's also frustrating that we were whooped by a first year coach that will probably win Big Ten COY after winning Big East COY last year.

[OliviaPope40]

I at times have no clue what the heck I'm watching when I watch us play.

[GnarlyNormEllenberger]

A little disappointed by some of the comments in this one. I guess I'll add a few thoughts about the game and the season as a whole..

- This game was over by the first TV timeout. The defensive effort for the first ten minutes was absolutely atrocious and a major disappointment. We didn't compete on that end. The lack of focus on our part was extremely frustrating. That's when you need your senior leadership to step in before it got out of hand. They didn't. I wish Archie would have called a timeout or two during this period, but hindsight is always 20/20. Offensively, we settled for outside jumpers way too much and once a guy missed a shot, they lost all confidence.

- Now, we played them even for the last 30 minutes of the game. 46-46. The defensive effort was much more impressive. We were more aggressive. The offense... not so much. Our passing was sub-standard and we were having trouble simply catching the ball.  Our heads weren't in it.When we had open looks, we could only convert occasionally. And folks, that's execution. It doesn't matter what plays the coaches run if the players can't execute them.

- Very poor senior leadership. There's nothing more to say on that issue.

- We're a poor shooting team. Johnson is the only guy on the team who played last night who has ever been considered a good jump shooter (and he's not shooting well this year.) Everyone else ranges from streaky to poor. When you don't have players who can hit shots with any regularity, you shoot 30% from 3 for the season. I can't blame the coaches. They're getting them open looks. But Archie can't put the ball in the hoop for them. Question for anyone... who do we run offensive plays for outside of Morgan and Johnson? What is the staff supposed to do here? And what happens when Johnson doesn't show up on offense?

- Quick kudos to Green. Normally, I don't believe one good game warrants a major increase in playing time, but with the lackluster play from our guards this season, we'll take what we can get.

- We had negative post depth last night. Smith has a bright future, but he is being thoroughly outplayed by more experienced opponents right now. McSwain tries, but his size and overall basketball skills are extremely limited. People clamor for Moore and even Priller, but neither one has shown us anything during their limited playing time that makes me believe they would be any sort of upgrade. That means it all relies on Morgan and bless his heart... he can only do so much.

- Are we really comparing rankings saying who had the #130 best player vs. the #143 best player? I know we as fans like to do that because we like to quantify things on paper, but everyone here knows that doesn't allow for variables like experience, improvement, environment, style, effort, etc. Do we have players ranked somewhat similar to those at Ohio State? Maybe. But no one can honestly say that we are as/more talented than them this season. If the rankings say we're equal (and I don't believe they do) they were wrong on some evaluations. Last night made that abundantly clear.

- The future. I'm still optimistic. We're bringing in four guys next year who all have the ability to crack the rotation and then some. Three of which can shoot the ball. Two can make offense happen with the ball in their hands while another excels off of screens. The point guard coming in is a special talent and will give us an instant boost at that position. We're bringing in a bouncy forward who already has the skills necessary to provide depth in the post. We've also got a pretty talented red-shirt post player who will be eligible next year that will have a year of seasoning under his belt. This is not to mention the possibility of adding Romeo, a once in a decade talent.

-  I can assure you, Archie did not forget how to coach. If we see this stuff in two years, then it's another story...

[bigrod]

19 minutes ago, Josh said:

Our team is really bad. Yuck. This has been going on far too long. Fire Fred Glass.

It's also frustrating that we were whooped by a first year coach that will probably win Big Ten COY after winning Big East COY last year.

I get the frustration, but I'm not ready to say that CAM was a bad hire (I'm assuming that was what you meant by "Fire Fred Glass"). I mean, how many times did Crean win COY?

Say what you will about what each coach inherited, but I look at O$U's roster and compare it to ours and I wonder how many of our guys would start on that team? How many would even see significant PT? To me, it's more indicative of how far Matta had lost his team (ditto with Crean).

I'm not saying at all that Holtmann hasn't done a great job - he definitely has. I'm just not willing to say that CAM was a bad hire. Perception is a funny thing. We'll see what the perception is in a couple years. Holtmann is definitely better this year. You could probably make the argument that he has done a better job of adapting his style to the strengths of his team, where CAM is set on imposing his style.

I think CAM believes that once his method is learned, it will consistently produce the desired results, but it will take a while to get it ingrained into the players. I guess we won't know until he has a chance to get it there. Personally, I think he will.

[mdn82]

Holtmann has done a fantastic job and I personally feel now and felt at the time he was a great hire. OSU has always been at their best when they can recruit Indiana. He has good relationships. I hope he does well there.

 

 

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[ElectricBoogaloo]

13 minutes ago, GnarlyTimGarl said:

- We're a poor shooting team. Johnson is the only guy on the team who played last night who has ever been considered a good jump shooter (and he's not shooting well this year.) Everyone else ranges from streaky to poor. When you don't have players who can hit shots with any regularity, you shoot 30% from 3 for the season. I can't blame the coaches. They're getting them open looks. But Archie can't put the ball in the hoop for them. Question for anyone... who do we run offensive plays for outside of Morgan and Johnson? What is the staff supposed to do here? And what happens when Johnson doesn't show up on offense?

Well, we ran one for Al Durham at the end of the game.

[JSHoosier]

11 hours ago, Iugradman said:

One of the complaints Dayton fans had about Archie was his recruiting. Look at what Will Wade has done at LSU so far.

To be fair, it was Dayton of all places.  And that's coming from a person that always thought the Miller hire was underwhelming.

[JSHoosier]

12 hours ago, coonhounds said:

Of all the gloom and doom posts on this thread i have been able to stay positive but this post of stats scares me cause i have that thing in the back of my mind thinking archie could be part of the shooting problem. Still holding out hope it is a coincidence

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Yeah, those numbers were not good.

[ap2345]

44 minutes ago, JSHoosier said:

To be fair, it was Dayton of all places.  And that's coming from a person that always thought the Miller hire was underwhelming.

What's gone down at LSU and Vandy hasn't been normal so I'm not sure that's the best example. But they are in the $EC after all.

[Brass Cannon]

Really they were unhappy with his revruiting wasnt their a stong contingent to keep Ostrom to keep the recruits including wright

[ap2345]

Why does everyone say that CAM recruiting has been underwhelming? You do realize that so far he has landed 2 top 100 guys, the top 2 instate guys outside of Romeo, and a high upside athletic big. Not to mention we are right there for Romeo. So Stop It. He hasn't even been on the job a year yet.